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Re: [Re: NITRIC]
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lol...


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Re: "Exclusive" question [Re: mycofile]
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Paul Stametes sells CULTURES, that is the difference. A culture is a strain, spores are not. His cultures are individual DIKARYONS selected from spore germinations. They have been selected for exceptional qualities!!!! You can keep growing from spore over and over and over and over, and you will never get the same exact strain, or sub-strain for you hard heads. The vendors here sell spores, in the USA, not cultures, so they are selling spore races not strains. There is no true breeding Hybrid spores being sold, like plant seeds. You can't patent spores!!!!!!!! Stametes is a genious though, now he is going to find a way, by getting a patent on his SPORE DISPERSAL SYSTEM, spores in oil for chainsaws and wood chippers, FUCKING GENIOUS!!!!!!!!!!
Spread the spores. Stop the bitching!!!!

Trading, is a matter of uncertainty. You have to trust that the person you are trading with is giving you spores from a known spore race. Getting PF when you wanted GT, or TC when you wanted Lipa ya. What makes a vendor think he never makes mistakes, or spores don't intermingle between races. Ryche, MAX, SPOREWORKS, Any vendor, can you be 100 % certain you are selling exactly what you say you are selling? Would you intentionally sell unknown spores?
Different species, o.k., easy to keep track of, but cubensis spore races. No one can be absolutely certain!!!! Even within species, like the copelandias, unless you are measureing spore sizes, you can't be certain. Hence the Sporeworks, Disclaimer with the Copelandias. They are the only site that even mentions the possibility that they can't be certain which species you are getting. Because a Vendor has obtained his Original prints from a collector like MJ, you think it is gonna be more Guarenteed. What about over time? Ive heard at least one vendor mention domestication via multispore germinations. Who is to say that other spores did not get into the mix, and what you have now is something different from what you got originally. Unless you go to Tailand and clone, and maintain that clone, you don't know what you got now!!!! And even with clones and cultures, they mutate over time as well. So now you got to go back to Tailand and clone again, and so on and so on. Good Luck. Have fun.
You damn cheap imitators, with your spore swiping habits. LOL
The cheaper they are the better. I give props were props are do, If I want something exotic, and noone has it, I will and have paid the price. And will continue to do so. But once you sell it, it ain't yours no more!!!! You wanna sell exclusive Strains, sell STRAINS.

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Edited by MicronMagick (12/04/01 06:13 PM)

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Re: "Exclusive" question [Re: ]
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And for all the smart asses who will rip apart my lame post for errors. I'll save you the time. There are no true breeding mushrooms, and there are no F1 hybrid Spores. There are only Dikaryons, and each and every one will eventually be lost to time!!!! Just enjoy the variability and the variety, buy from whom you like and trust, and lets all be friends. The business will take care of itself.

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Re: "Exclusive" question [Re: MicronMagick]
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What traits exactly are you gonna get to be expressed by multispore germination in 4- 5 generations? All the possibilities are in every generation. You have to select for them, individual Dikaryons.

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Re: "Exclusive" question [Re: ]
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Re: "Exclusive" question [Re: MicronMagick]
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Re: "Exclusive" question [Re: MicronMagick]
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After all the badmouthing made in the past cutting down the SporeLab and our 'exclusive' strains, now everybody wants a piece of them. LOL!!

As long as only one person is selling something, then it is indeed 'exclusive' to them. Thats just common sense, look it up in the dictionary rolf and while your there..... look up 'leech'!

MM, I've had the Tapalpa out for two years now, I'm surprised it hasn't already made it into the mainstream. Of course, I remain the only vendor with the original spores enabling me to provide a continued cycle of early generation spores with all the traits of the original.


New Orleans Blues......watch for it soon!

Another SporeLab exclusive!

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Re: "Exclusive" question [Re: ralphster44]
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Re: "Exclusive" question [Re: ]
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Oh boy.. here we go again with the strains/races thing.
Teonan, even Stamets uses the word strain in 2 different meanings of the word as we all do. Its even published in his books.
Here read this thread, I've already explained it.
Strains vs. races

We've grown out all the strains we carry time and time again to see they dont change much over time. They usually just get better and better. Their genetics and characteristics within each strain carry on from generation to generation.
Sometimes -Clyde- gets bored and clones some absolutly monsterous specimans and run those through a few times. Then take lots of spores from those amazing flushes. But we find that is really not needed for cubensis.
Start changing the substrate around a little and we'll see minor changes. Go back to the previous substrate and they go back to there normal traits.

We save prints from each generation and cultures in case we do lose one. Which did happen to us recently with one strain. But I guess after 3 years of growing it out it was bound to lose its vigor sooner or later. So back to some earlier gen prints.

As for keeping them all seperate, that has been very important to me since the very beginning. I feel they all give slightly different affects when ingested like good herb and that is important to me, to us.

These days we keep them all in their own boxes like as in the DB kits. After prints are taken from one strain, the table and all tools are wiped clean with alcohol. There is a lot more to it then that though.

Ralphster, that was a very cool offer of you for the samuiensis by the way.

And MicronMagik, my comments were not directed at you. I really have not followed your business tactics to know how good a job your doing. I'm basically saying follow your heart on the "exclusive" thing. And being original is always a plus.

As you can see Ralphster has no problem selling any and all strains of cubs from any vendor... :wink:
There really is no way to enforce it or find a happy medium about it so why bother getting all upset about it. But it certainly was cool of you to bring up this subject.

The only thing that ever bothered me about this subject was way back in the day when PF talked shit about all these other strains when he was only carrying the pf classic.
Then after talking so much shit he turned around and started selling them to everyone to keep up with competition. Now that really burned me up...but its water under the bridge now.

Anyway, I see some good things have come from this thread.
Spread the spores with love and these mushrooms will be good to you :smile:



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Re: "Exclusive" question [Re: MicronMagick]
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In reply to:

Taking a strain that a man has worked on to get it to fruit for such a long time, in my opinion is not right.
My respect to Workman, as many of us all know, is a fantastic cultivator.
That would be like stealing his patent rights.



my sentiments exactly.


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tiny_rabid_birds said:
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Re: "Exclusive" question [Re: 40oz]
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'Spores from different areas will be added Max...not from close by towns or cities.'

I hate to tell you this MM but Tapalpa is just another town in Mexico. There are already several strains from that small country, each one bearing the name of the town/area it was collected in. I don't think any of those towns could be more than a couple hundred miles away from the next one. There are also 3 strains from the SE US, each bearing the name of town or region it was collected in.
Same diff.

Here they are cutting down the yet-to-be-released and totally unseen New Orleans Blues just as they cut down the Tapalpa when I first introduced it but give it another year and they will be selling the blues as well.

This place never ceases to amaze me!

Edited by CaptainMaxMushroom (12/05/01 10:01 AM)

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Re: "Exclusive" question [Re: ]
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i'd hafta agree with max for once....i remember all the trash talk about the talpalpa...

but i dont think people/vendors make a shit over this cube stain... because when "exclusive" comes to mind you think..ps mex...& sporeworks...


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Re: "Exclusive" question [Re: MicronMagick]
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Mother nature does select individual dikaryons. A group of spores germinate, Mate, and the most succesful ones for the particular environment that happens to be going on at that time, pin, and mature into shrooms. But when that dikaryons nuclei fuse and undergo meiosis, there is recombination. And you are back to a mixture of all the genes, variety. If what you were saying was true, mushrooms would not be succesful at growing in different climates throughout the year, in a specific spot. Especially if it happened that fast. As far as appearence goes, they all resemble eachother when coming from a single SPORE RACE, but those similarities evolved over a long time. You are mentioning TRAITS, and I wanted clarification as to what traits you are able to select for in 4 generations. Not how you do it!!!!!!!!

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Re: "Exclusive" question [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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From now on I shall refer to SPORE RACES as STRAINS, and individual DIKARYONS as SUB STRAINS, to eliminate the potential of certain readers from loosing site of the original argument being made. HE HE HE HE
LIKE I DID. LOL

Edited by Teonan (12/05/01 10:53 PM)

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Re: "Exclusive" question [Re: 40oz]
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So if someone else goes to MEXICO and brings back a P. mexicana, it will no longer be exclusive? Or would this be a breach of Shroom Ethics. LOL The hard part for Spore works, was obtaining the SPORES. Not growing them!!! Even the invitro sclerotia producer was just a matter of picking the right specimen to germinate spores from. He said it only took one substrain isolate from the A strain specimen!!!!! For me it is cheaper to spend 50 dollars, or 40 dollars now to buy a print, then the time and dinero it would take to go to Mexico and pick my own!!! Ralphster doesn't want to step on anyones toes, so he is respecting this "exclusivity", mush mush sells in another country, and I guess this doesn't offend Sporeworks. LOL This is a soap opera. But it does make for some entertaining reading!
According to Micron breeding mushroom traits to be true to type from multispore germination is easy, so how much work could they have really done on the MEXICANA once they got actual spores from the actual SPECIES.

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Bawk, Bawk, Chicken Hawk [Re: Ryche Hawk]
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Posted by Karl Brooks
8-11-99
Alt.drugs.mushrooms

Bawk, Bawk, Chicken Hawk.

I knew me a Chicken Hawk.
He Bought Hisself A Spore.
He brought it to this newsgroup.
And started Him a War.

Bawk, Bawk, Chicken Hawk.
Squawk Squawk. Squawk.

I've waited for awhile.
And haven't seen a thing.
Where is the Chicken Hawk?
Our self-appointed king?

Chicken Hawk, had a little Gal.
He named her 420.
And nominated her Pal.

She ran around this Newsgroup.
And acted like a Queen.
A member of the Troup.
Who was always Extra Mean.

Bawk, Bawk, Chicken Hawk.
You are my Little Bitch.
Squawk, Squawk Chicken Hawk.
You are a forgotten Witch,

If I ever see you again, My little friend named Ted.
I hope you're Dead, from gunshots to the head.
Goodbye, Ted H.
I hate to see you run.
But after the crimes you did,
I'm glad you went away.

Bawk, Bawk Chicken Hawk. Have you much to say?
Bawk, Bawk, Chicken Hawk.
Ted H. of AZ. is Gay.



Karl Brooks was on to something I think.


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