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Anonymous

Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: Kid]
    #481984 - 12/06/01 01:34 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Kid

I would still like to see you link a death caused by the ingestion of cannabis, inhaled or otherwise.

Leaf

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Anonymous

Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: Kid]
    #481987 - 12/06/01 01:35 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Kid, maybe a truck load of it fell on somebody somewhere?

Leaf

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Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: ]
    #482033 - 12/06/01 02:13 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

> Kid

> I would still like to see you link a death caused by the ingestion of cannabis, inhaled or otherwise.

Leafblower, please read my earlier post: "There's no report, but that doesn't mean that it hasn't happen."

Marijuana may cause lung cancer, therefor people may have been killed by marijuana induced lung cancer. I made no claim to know this for certain.

you are a fucking retard. Learn how to read.

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Anonymous

Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: Kid]
    #482463 - 12/06/01 09:04 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Kid

>"you are a fucking retard. Learn how to read.<"

Actually, I enjoy making you have to repeat that you can't find any links to deaths caused by cannabis.

Leaf

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Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: ]
    #482757 - 12/07/01 05:42 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

leafblower,
sure you do.
Anyway, I'm not humiliated.
I just said you can't assume it hasn't happened.
Especially considering marijuana smoke has carcinogens in it.

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Anonymous

Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: Kid]
    #482891 - 12/07/01 09:14 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Kid

So, even though mankind has been smokin the stuff for over a couple thousand years, poor little kid's sorry ass can't document a single death, huh?

Leaf

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Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: ]
    #482990 - 12/07/01 11:24 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Anything smoked, regardless of content, has radioactivity, which increases the chance of cancerous growth. Radioactivity decreases exponentially when you're further away from it. People who smoke cigarettes are very close to the flame, thus increasing their exposure. Marijuana has been with us for thousands of years, but has not been used as extensively until the last century.
It's hard to say that someone died from smoking pot. Lung cancer can occur spontaneously, so you can't prove that if someone died of lung cancer and smoked pot, they died from smoking weed.

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Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: Azure]
    #483163 - 12/07/01 02:15 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Uhhh buddy... smoking radioactivity? WTF are you on? You are aware that there is a huge difference between radioactive decay and a carcenogen, right? If not I suggest you look up the meaning of radioactivity. If cigarettes or pot was radioative to the amount that we could measure it, I would garuntee that no one would smoke it. That would be like swallowing capsules of uranium, it'd just be retarded.

Peace out,
-Gumby

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Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: Gumby]
    #483210 - 12/07/01 03:11 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Leafblow,

Your own logic defeats you. It took decades to prove the link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer, and you think because they cannot prove the link between marijuana smoking and lung cancer that it does not exist?

They haven't done enough studies on it. What has to be done is long-term, clinical trials to determine whether the incidence of cancer in a marijuana (only) smoking population is significantly higher than in a non-smoking population (like the other guy said, people can spontaneously get lung cancer, just because you get lung cancer doesn't mean you were a smoker).

For example, if you take 200 people, 100 smoked pot all their lives and 100 never smoked anything and you found that 35 of the pot-smokers had cancer and 10 of the non-smokers had cancer, you could determine that marijuana and lung cancer were linked.

These studies have not been done because they are expensive, and retrospective studies like this are hard to categorize (you can't expect someone to remember how much pot they've been smoking for the last 30 years).

However, marijuana smoke has been shown to cause pre-cancerous changes in lung tissue cells. That doesn't mean it causes cancer, but you're an idiot if you don't at least consider it a possibility, and you're an even bigger idiot if you think smoking pot is good for your lungs.

GumbyDude
Carcinogenic elements in cigarette smoke are prone to radioactive decay. Radioactive decay, is radioactive. For example, (I know you don't smoke it) Radon is radioactive, and it causes lung cancer. Some carcinogens are radioactive (eg// lead-210)

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Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: Kid]
    #483537 - 12/07/01 08:19 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Sure, I was aware that everything is radioactive to a certain extent... but I would be VERY suprised to find out that there was anything in cigarette smoke produces even alpha particles. Yes, cigarette smoke contains carbons... but the highly radioactive isotopes aren't that common in nature.
To me, it just sounded like Azure was saying that if you held a giger counter near cigarette smoke that it would detect something.

Peace out,
-Gumby

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Anonymous

Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: Kid]
    #484021 - 12/08/01 11:57 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Kid

LOL. I didn't say that there wasn't a possible link between cannabis and cancer and I didn't say that cannabis was good for your lungs. I asked you to provide even a single case indicating a death caused by ingesting cannabis and you haven't been able to do so. All I've see from you is a lot of babbling and sidestepping.

You don't even make a very good prohibitionist, kid.

Leaf

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Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: ]
    #484241 - 12/08/01 04:25 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

> All I've see from you is a lot of babbling and sidestepping.

I addressed your questions.

> You don't even make a very good prohibitionist, kid.

I'm not a prohibitionist. I just think that if people are going to use drugs they should know how they might harm themselves instead of thinking that they're going to cure cancer.

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Anonymous

Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: Kid]
    #485283 - 12/09/01 05:57 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Kid

>"I addressed your questions."<

Well, kid, I guess in your own silly way you did.

>"I'm not a prohibitionist."<

I'm sorry. The way you swallow their propaganda hook, line, and sinker, I was beginning to think you were.

>"I just think that if people are going to use drugs they should know how they might harm themselves instead of thinking that they're going to cure cancer. "<

We were hoping for contributions more solid than your wild extrapolations, I suppose. We get enough of those from the drug warriors.

Leaf

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Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: Kid]
    #485297 - 12/09/01 06:11 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

>>>Leafblower, nobody has died of a direct marijuana OD.
>>>That does not mean that nobody has died from marijuana
>>>induced lung or throat cancer. It would be far easier to tell
>>>if someone died of an OD (hmmm, bong in hand, burnt
>>>out bowl...) than if some poor sap dies of cancer and >>>what might have caused it.


I have heard several reports involving people ODing on weed laced unknowingly with coke. They take too big of a hit, and the coke makes them choke to death from the smoke.

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Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: ]
    #485543 - 12/09/01 10:31 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Leafblowerz,
you're obviously very stupid.
U R TARD

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Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: marijuanaman04]
    #485554 - 12/09/01 10:47 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

How did they find 45 rats with cancer? What about the other 45 rats they'd need for their study's control group?


Edited by djfrog (12/09/01 10:59 PM)

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Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: Kid]
    #485557 - 12/09/01 10:51 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Well kid i don't guess you belive, i guess propaganda is viewed in the eye of the beholder!

Anyways check this out

http://www.projectcensored.org/stories/2001/22.html Updated Verison of THC report on cancer cells

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/references/journal/1975_munson_nci_1/1975_munson_nci_1_text.shtml
(A lot more on the topic!)

Hey theres alot of facts about it in the erowid link!

That erowid study isn't mine, someone else done it, don't ask me about the rats, i don't know

I just posted this cus i feel like people should at least know some, weither they choose to belive it or not!

Edited by marijuanaman04 (12/09/01 10:54 PM)

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Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: marijuanaman04]
    #485595 - 12/09/01 11:51 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

> Well kid i don't guess you belive, i guess propaganda is viewed in the eye of the beholder!

STFU. I'm basing my opinions on studies I've read. I doubt that most people, including idiots like leafbowler, would call MAPS studies "propaganda."

Even pro-drug propaganda is just as ignorant as anti-drug propaganda.

Your links are interesting. The fact is though, that you can't ignore the possibility that smoking pot might cause lung cancer. That's all I said. Smoking pot is probably not a viable way of getting rid of cancer.

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Anonymous

Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: Kid]
    #485824 - 12/10/01 09:09 AM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Kid

>"Even pro-drug propaganda is just as ignorant as anti-drug propaganda."<

If you categorize all of the various studies as either "pro-drug propaganda vs. anti-drug propaganda" rather than on their scientific validity you're going to continue to make ignorant half assed assumptions, kid.

Half assed assumptions like this;

>"including idiots like leafbowler, would call MAPS studies propaganda." <

The folks at MAPS appear to be scientific and level headed in their efforts. I don't know if you are aware of it or not, but not all of the studies present on MAPS are sponsored solely by MAPS. I would suggest that you be cautious and vigilantly examine even studies present on MAPS due to the potential for studies being impacted by political predispositions albeit probably not as pronounce as the government swill you so adamantly support on face value.

Leaf

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Re: We found the cure to cancer?? [Re: ]
    #486012 - 12/10/01 01:16 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

You're the one who started calling my statements "propaganda". You have to be aware of possible bias in any study, mr. tard.

Please show me where I said I love "the government". And who's fucking government are you talking about? I am in Canada. Did you know that? Are you here too?

You're simply, very, very stupid.

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06364mj2.html/


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