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Invisiblear393
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Psilocybe cubensis "Amazonian" on rye
    #478133 - 12/03/01 07:55 AM (22 years, 11 months ago)

okay guys and gals,
here are some pictures of my cats only four casings.
they are amazonian on rye (inoculated via agar wedge) then cased with 1/2 inch of sterilized coir.
one tray was cased on 11/17
one was done 11/20
two were done on 11/24
casing time to colonization - 7/8 days
scratch/shock time to pin - 4/5 days
three of the four were cold shocked for 24 hours.
three of the four were deep scratched.


another shot, these two trays are lalbeled below. the one on the left is called "top right" and the one of the right is called "bottom right" in the description below (camera was tilted in the other shots).


This is them on 11/29,
The tank is kept warm and humid using a submersable fishtank heater. there is a fishtank pump that pumps in fresh air that runs through the water via bubbler stone. the little fan is suspended in the air, about one inch from the far wall. it moves the volume of the tank air around three times a minute, keeping the fresh air/stale humid air mix constant.


This is the bottom left casing on 12/2


This is this morning.
top left: cased 11/20, scratched 11/28, pinned 12/2 no cold shock
top right: cased 11/24, no scratch, cold shock 12/1
bottom left: cased 11/17, scratched/shocked 11/25, pinned 11/29
bottom right: cased 11/24, scratch/cold shock 12/1

Edited by Annom (12/21/04 09:46 AM)

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #478425 - 12/03/01 03:18 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

That?s a sweet pin set you got there......

Also, i like your set up . One question tho..... arent you worried that that fan will get wet?

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: BrownPastures]
    #478705 - 12/03/01 08:13 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

the fan is wet. the wires are set up so they are long enough to reach out and also make a drip loop (just in case, because Mr. H2O and Mr. Socket don?t play well together) and if the fan dies, i pulled it out of an old pentium, and from the power supply you can also yank one out (though those are a bit bigger) so the fan didnt cost me anything, and wont really cost me anything if it needs to be replaced.
peace, ar393

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #479583 - 12/04/01 01:52 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Ok I see, you are just using a fan to circulate the air, not actually refresh. When I was talking about using the fan (back in Advanced Forum), I meant to force air out of say flaps to let air out, but as soon as the air cuts off, they fall back into place sealing the terrarium.

Thats why I was questioning whether or not the bubbler could keep the humidity up, because I not talking about mixing the air, I?m talking about completely refreshing the atmosphere inside once every hour or so.

So all you do is have the fan circulate the air from the bubbler. You don?t fan at all? The pins are doing good?

Edited by psilocybian (12/04/01 01:55 PM)

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: psilocybian]
    #479658 - 12/04/01 03:05 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

I see what you mean. You would need quite a serious fan, and then you would also need to create the flaps to either open mechanically by lever, or by sheer force from the fan. Then of course you would need also an intake vent. (or if the fan was the intake, then you would need an exhaust vent)

Even if you were to refresh the atmosphere (say by large fan, whatever) i think every hour would be too much. then again i dont know the size of your grow space nor the amount of fruit you have.

i dont fan at all, my cat just has fresh air come in from the fishtank pump, and then its mixed withthe "stale" air, the top of the tank isnt sealed, so enough leaks/is forced out to keep the tank filled with enough fresh air in my opinion.

now if some one wants to give me some serious testing equipment, i would gladly hook it up to see percentage of gasses in the mix at all times. actually, you know i have a freind who works at a company that specializes in gas detection, im sure they have some sort of infrared or UV sensors. I shall need to speak to him about this. perhaps build a small circuit board and take input via serial connection to a laptop, then use excel to graph it, use a little least square analysis...excuse me, i think i need to change my pants.....i got way too ahead of myself there.

back to the subject, yeah the pins seem to be doing quite well. I will post pics later this week of what my cat has been up to. my cat is also doing the test to see the difference in pin sets and fruit production using same substrate, strain and casing layer, same environment, the casings go as listed above. I assume by the end of this weekend or the end of next week my cat can have some initial data to post, and then continue to do more tests to see if the results are statistically signifigant.

peace, ar393 and cat

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #480209 - 12/04/01 11:53 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Well hell yeah thats even easier then. Just keep us updated on the pins, and I think I may try your method.

My lid isn?t airtight either, and there is small holes under the handles. It?s a sterlite container, can fit maybe 2 big casings or four smaller ones.

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #480223 - 12/05/01 12:01 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

can you take a pick or ur fish tank heater setup. i need to put one on my friends tank and i wanna see how its done for a terrarium.


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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #480639 - 12/05/01 11:49 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Post more pics Dammit! I want to see how they are looking now. :)

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #480793 - 12/05/01 02:08 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

marvalous! absolutely marvalous! those look great ar393....keep up the nice work.
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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: DrToadStool]
    #481211 - 12/05/01 07:37 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

well my cat is somewhat perplexed. the other casings are pinning as well as the first. the problem my cat sees is that there are tooooo many pins. I mean i have seen it myself and i would not be lying if i said there were perhaps close to 600 primordia/pins on the casing. its a 37.5 sq inch casing, and there are easy 20 pins/primordia per sq inch.

I will take pictures of the my cats casing (damn paws dont work cameras well) tomorrow night, and post them friday probably. I will also be taking more pictures this weekend.

who ever thought, too many pins...
peace, ar393 and cat

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #481330 - 12/05/01 09:14 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

You are definitely gonna have tons of aborts. Maybe picking a bunch here and there to help keep the num of pins down so you get a good even flush? You know there is no way your gonna be able to support it all.

Post pics!!!!

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: psilocybian]
    #481333 - 12/05/01 09:17 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Damn, after looking at your pic again, the one with the pins you can see a bunch of little white dots all over. I can see what you mean about the pins.

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: psilocybian]
    #482963 - 12/07/01 10:34 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

okay more pictures...taken on the morning of 12/7

okay this one is the tray that had the close up before. My cat is a little worried about the slow rate of growth, but yet not aborting....wierd...


this is the tray that is in the top left in the last picture

peace, ar393

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #483093 - 12/07/01 01:20 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

just leting you no all my fingers are crossed , GJ so far , i never even seen that kind of pins in those numbers. GL and thx for keeping us updated , cant wait to see the outcome. peace


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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #483355 - 12/07/01 05:53 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

That pin set is insane!!!


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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #483475 - 12/07/01 07:37 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

how did you get such an even pinset like that. what are your details


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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: mystic1]
    #483606 - 12/07/01 09:38 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

all the details are listed above, my cat hates telling me to type up this shit..
peace, ar393

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #488021 - 12/11/01 10:02 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Cool!

Yes that is a good pinset, but a lot will probably abort. Also the pinset was probably not a product of the terarrium, but probably a product of the strain/cold shock/scratching.
If the pins continue to do better though, then we know the terarrium design can support growth. Can it support GOOD growth is the question.

ar393, you are like my lab rat! I hope you dont mind!:)

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: psilocybian]
    #488029 - 12/11/01 10:07 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Also are you sure they havent already aborted? I was looking back on the post, and they don?t look too much bigger than what they did on your 11/29 pic. Thats like 8 or 9 days (can?t remember if there is 30 or 31 days in November). They should be getting damn close to being picked by now, if not already.

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #488653 - 12/12/01 12:23 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

just curious how those casings are turning out for ya?

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #488801 - 12/12/01 02:29 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

ive been told that sometimes if there are to many pins, that most of them are aborts. but im keeping my fingers crossed for you.


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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: MycoGlowFlow]
    #489277 - 12/12/01 09:44 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

give me like 12 hours to get in touch with my cat....

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #489592 - 12/13/01 07:23 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

got in touch with my pussy...cat

a few mature fruits,


my cats mature fruits and the abortion clinic dish. this is tray one, or so I am told.


I?m told this is tray 2


Trays three and four I am told. It seems like some are turning black in the picture, but they haven?t yet....
peace, ar393 and cat

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #489638 - 12/13/01 08:55 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

lookin good man! :) keep up the good work bro

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #489810 - 12/13/01 12:19 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Very cool. Still tons of aborts though. Al well maybe next time. Good job so far though! I can?t wait to set my terrarium up, still waiting for this P.R. isolate to colinize.

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #494529 - 12/18/01 03:42 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

hey, give more updates plz!
it?s been a few days since last pics were up.
did u clean up the pinnings on the other casings to make room for some healthy ones? or are u plannin to wait it out and let the second flush go right thru that forest? hehe

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: aka]
    #494606 - 12/18/01 07:18 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

I didn?t do anything....I just spoke to my cat (she is very smart and has advanced vocal cords for a feline) and she said that I can take some more pictures within the next 24 hours. but she did tell me that there was a major de-forestation and that there was about 170 wet grams of aborts off the four casings and and about 100 wet grams of fruit. the first tray is reportedly on its second flush, with less pins, but many healthy looking primordia.

on another note, I have heard rumors that the PRs are more body then visual. anyone confirm?

Peace, ar393 and Cat

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #495971 - 12/19/01 01:40 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

okay, I was corrected by my cat. there are 21 dry grams of aborts. this is the second flush of that first casing, looks much better no?




BTW there were about 20 mature fruits off the first flush of the casings, you can see one those mature fruits from the other casing in the foreground of this picture.

peace, ar393

Edited by ar393 (12/19/01 01:41 PM)

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Re: Amazonian casings ***UPDATED 12/19*** [Re: ar393]
    #496084 - 12/19/01 03:44 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Hey ar393,
what is your CAT using as a humidifier in her setup ?

Also, what are you using for lighting?



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Re: Amazonian casings ***UPDATED 12/19*** [Re: angryshroom]
    #496092 - 12/19/01 03:52 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

my cat uses a fishtank heater submerged fully underwater, then there is a shelf so to speak holding the casings. also there is a fishtnk pump connected to an airstone. the airstone sits in the water directly under where the fan hangs.
peace, ar393 and cat

oh, about the lighting. the container is mostly clear. but the top is purple, but also kinda clear. it just gets whatever light it gets. though I did post a thought I had about using a string of xmas lights somewhere in advanced i think.

Edited by ar393 (12/19/01 03:55 PM)

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Re: Amazonian casings ***UPDATED 12/19*** [Re: ar393]
    #496119 - 12/19/01 04:32 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

cool man,

well my room temp is on avg around 64-67 degrees so I was going to use a fish tank heater to heat my chamber... Wait, so a fish tank pump can actually keep the humidity up without perilte? Or do you use perilte too?

yah one more thing, how do you hook up the fan to an outlet?I like that idea just for simply circulating air.

Edited by angryshroom (12/19/01 04:35 PM)

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #496297 - 12/19/01 07:34 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Is that ethernet cable I see in the background of this (most recent) pic?

:)

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: jokerGD]
    #496319 - 12/19/01 07:56 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

no that is co-ax cable. I used any old DC converter, my cat cant strip wires (damned paws again....)

peace, ar393 and Cat

BTW any old old old timers that remember back in the day it was ar393 and Garcia the Turtle, but Garcia died in october of 99. I havent gotten a new pet. The cat had been around before the turtle, but didnt have the capacity to case then, she has learned a lot from Garcia.

peace, ar393 and Cat

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #498334 - 12/21/01 11:31 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

Looking good. The P.R.s are still coming along.

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #498440 - 12/22/01 01:36 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

those things were looking pretty healthy a few days ago, it?s about time to post some new pics
we?re anxcious to see some updates

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: aka]
    #504561 - 12/30/01 01:44 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

I agree with aka

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: Snobrdr311]
    #508757 - 01/03/02 07:52 AM (22 years, 10 months ago)

okay, 8 new pics, I got in touch with my cat and my cat has learned to use the digital camera!!! she took some of these pics earlier this week. some are from early this morning.


this is tray one?s second real flush, earlier.


this is tray two?s second real flush, earlier.


tray 2 again, notice how the caps are different shades even though they are the same strain grow on on the same casing from the same substrate.


prints off those caps.

Third flush of tray 2

monday morning...


very early wednesday morning...


late wednesday night...


thursday morning...

peace, ar393 and cat (now with greater dexterity....)

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #509115 - 01/03/02 04:02 PM (22 years, 10 months ago)

beautiful shrooms bro, nice and big, healthy looking..

I can only imagine how much bigger your yield would of been if it wern?t for all those damn aborts. but still, you got some nice flushes.

good work buddy :)

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #511362 - 01/05/02 06:42 PM (22 years, 9 months ago)

What the total dry weight of those four casings so far?

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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: ar393]
    #575166 - 03/10/02 04:55 PM (22 years, 7 months ago)

What is the cause for having so little fruit off of so many darn pins?


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Re: Amazonian casings [Re: Neves9]
    #575695 - 03/11/02 09:25 AM (22 years, 7 months ago)

>>>What is the cause for having so little fruit off of so many darn pins?
overlay. the pins use nutrients and energy to be produced. then they just die and abort. wasted energy by the organism due to conditions and is why ovrlay should be avoided.


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