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Promises given/promises broken GWB
    #477652 - 12/02/01 10:58 PM (15 years, 7 days ago)

Does anybody remeber that GW promised to give the American people evidence of Bin-Ladens guilt before going to war or commiting troops? Did I just hallucinate that? Does anybody remember him telling world leader such as well? Baby steps, baby steps. It is the roots which bear the fruit.


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Re: Promises given/promises broken GWB [Re: upupup]
    #478226 - 12/03/01 12:50 PM (15 years, 6 days ago)

No, You're quite right, Bush did say that he would give us conclusive evidence of Bin Laden's guilt before war was undertaken. But then Bush realized two things. 1) Popular sentiment at the time, and continues to be, irrational rage and fear. In this state, the public is more than willing to just agree with what is done. And with the American People behind /whatever/ Bush wants to do (even if what he wants to do will hurt them), he has a platform on the world stage from which to say that even, lacking evidence, the American People have declared this war. Most Americans would cheer. 2) Bush probably realized that while he's defined this war as 'a new kind of war' which we've never seen the likes of before, that in reality we've been fighting this 'war on terrorism' since the Reagan administration. The only difference is that we no longer have to do so /covertly/ because the public is blinded by their hatred and hunger for revenge. Here is a good link that will better illustrate that point - much more comprehensively than I can in my brief time: [http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl1824/nc.htm].

The counter-side of this is that even though the Public isn't demanding any sort of actual evidence, the administration is placing information out there that /could be interpreted/ as evidence (though it is not proclaimed as such). Just like someone could concievably mistake the moon for the sun if they had never seen either. The 'evidence' that is out there now is just an anemic attempt to sway those 'doves' one last time to 'shut up and let us do our business'. And because the population at large is willing to live under a dictatorship if it means security and saftey from 'terrorists', they're willing to swallow the half-assed attempts at evidence along with the outright lies.

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Re: Promises given/promises broken GWB [Re: Ishmael]
    #479485 - 12/04/01 02:34 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

I don't remember any promise to the American people but I do remember him supplying foriegn leaders with his case, and he satisfied their needs.


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Re: Promises given/promises broken GWB [Re: upupup]
    #479585 - 12/04/01 03:57 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

****Does anybody remeber that GW promised to give the American people evidence of Bin-Ladens guilt before going to war or commiting troops? ****

No...i don't remember this..besides Bin Ladden admitted it..

****Did I just hallucinate that?****

Yes

****Does anybody remember him telling world leader such as well? ****

He did and it seems to me that these leaders are pleased at the evidence presented

****Baby steps, baby steps. It is the roots which bear the fruit. *****

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Re: Promises given/promises broken GWB [Re: Innvertigo]
    #479706 - 12/04/01 06:03 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

OK. So I halucinated bush giving a promise that he would provide the american people with conclusive evidence, but I did not hallucinate that he would give world leaders conclusive evidence and they said it was cool. Yet one reply remembers this as well so he was hallucinating too? AND Bin-Laden admitted it? When was that? I keep a pretty close eye on these things and I remember that after he made his first broadcast after the bombling that he said he didn't but supported who did. Immideatly following his statement Tom Brokaw said that he "virtually" admitted it. I think the guy would have admitted it had he done it. I don't think he did, nor did he fund it. The guy fucking hates americans so why would he not admit it. I have read his fatwah. He would have admitted it. As far as "world leaders" (whom I don't remember voting for, oh yeah, it's ok to steal elections) and thier stamp of approval...uhh...well, seems kinda like if I gotta explain it. You wouldn't get it but what the fuck...they are all just as big of thiefs and liars as our own GW or else they wouldn't be pliticians. You know, Poly- as in many and Tics- blood sucking instects. Seriously, anybody in this community that isn't shitting thier pants at the thoughts of what is coming down the pike because of all this is in mass denial. We are next on the target list.


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Re: Promises given/promises broken GWB [Re: upupup]
    #480441 - 12/05/01 08:05 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

***but I did not hallucinate that he would give world leaders conclusive evidence and they said it was cool. Yet one reply remembers this as well so he was hallucinating too? ***

who said you did?

****AND Bin-Laden admitted it? When was that? I keep a pretty close eye on these things and I remember that after he made his first broadcast after the bombling that he said he didn't but supported who did. ****

Initially he did deny it. When the evidence became a little more clear to the world's leaders Bin Ladden through is numerous cowardly video meetings admitted it through his lap-dog cohorts.

****I don't think he did, nor did he fund it****

Naive...........

****As far as "world leaders" (whom I don't remember voting for, oh yeah, it's ok to steal elections) and thier stamp of approval...****

Stick to the point...you're a tad bitter aren't you?

****well, seems kinda like if I gotta explain it. You wouldn't get it but what the fuck****

EH?....It seems like if you can't explain it it probably won't make sense

****they are all just as big of thiefs and liars as our own GW or else they wouldn't be pliticians. You know, Poly- as in many and Tics- blood sucking instects. ****

You just get this?....BTW, very bad analogy...however, you won't get an argument from me.

****Seriously, anybody in this community that isn't shitting thier pants at the thoughts of what is coming down the pike because of all this is in mass denial. We are next on the target list. ****

I agree...if we get rid of these socialists liberals that are in power and focus on idividual rights, this country would be twice as powerful as it is now........


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Re: Promises given/promises broken GWB [Re: Innvertigo]
    #480574 - 12/05/01 11:53 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

About the "stolen election"

It came out last week that they had finally gotten around to counting the ballots that Gore went to the Supreme Court to get counted....and he still lost.

Now, he runs the family restaurant.


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Re: Promises given/promises broken GWB [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #484103 - 12/08/01 03:41 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

***but I did not hallucinate that he would give world leaders conclusive evidence and they said it was cool. Yet one reply remembers this as well so he was hallucinating too? ***

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Reading my first post on this topic...I did.

It is interesting to me how supporters of Bush have few patent responses and justifications regarding the whole election affair. Then again, most people have their own patent answers and justifications for anything when they get into idiologies and dogmas. What is really interesting to me is how you two are like the tagteam of this board. Nice machine gun. What is your favorite type of gun? Are you good with it? Liberal Socialits are in power in America? Liberal Socialists sound like a bad thing then. I better look those words up. Let's see...http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=liberallib?er?al (lbr-l, lbrl)
adj.

Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

and socialists was it? http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=socialists
so?cial?ist (ssh-lst)
n.
An advocate of socialism.
often Socialist A member of a political party or group that advocates socialism.

adj.
Of, promoting, or practicing socialism.
Socialist Of, belonging to, or constituting a socialist party or political group.
Damn, looks like I gotta go look up socialism. http://www.dictionary.com/cgi-bin/dict.pl?term=socialism
so?cial?ism (ssh-lzm)
n.
Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

Well, none of that sounds too awefull to me. Sounds sorta like a kibutz huh? Or maybe even a tribe. Now, we have that in america? Where? I am an old person by the standard of the average age of folks around here. I watch the noose closing around us daily. Free men have free minds. They do not give themselves up for popularity, to be "right", or to tow the party line.
The 31st verse of the Tao Te Ching
Wapons are the tools of violence;
all decent me detest them.
Weaons are the tools of fear;
a decent man will avoid them
except in the direst necessity
and, if compelled, will use them only with the utmost restraint.
Peace is his highest value.
If the peace has been shattered,
how can he be content?
His enemies are not demons,
but human beings like himself.
He dones't wish them personal harm.
Nor does he rejoice in victory
and delight in the slaughter of men?
He enters a battle gravely,
with sorrow and with great compassion;
as if her were attendign a funeral.



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Re: Promises given/promises broken GWB [Re: upupup]
    #484178 - 12/08/01 05:10 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

Actually, in his statement Bin laden stops short of taking responsibility for the acts. He does not actually admit to doing it. He praises the people that did it and calls them martyrs. He also states that the places attacked and the people attacked were legitaminate targets.But I do not recall him taking full responsibility for the acts. That's not to say he didn't do it. I just don't recall where he fully admits he committed the acts. Maybe someone can point me to where this information is.


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Re: Promises given/promises broken GWB [Re: upupup]
    #484180 - 12/08/01 05:12 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

****It is interesting to me how supporters of Bush have few patent responses and justifications regarding the whole election affair****

Are you insane? You just described a liberal. So you want a justification for the Election? Two words: Electoral College!!!

With that said bush even won Florida after the recount....Listen Mr. Bitter you need to get over the fact that Bush beat Al Bore.

****Then again, most people have their own patent answers and justifications for anything when they get into idiologies and dogmas. ****

Do you even know what you are trying to say, or did you just learn them words?

****What is really interesting to me is how you two are like the tagteam of this board****

Do a search on INNVERTIGO on this board and you will see that i have many battles with about 10 different liberals at the same time and they say the same thing..research before you open your mouth...poor loser.

****Nice machine gun. What is your favorite type of gun? Are you good with it?****

Thanks.....my favorite kind of weapon is the M-16 a1 with a 308 grednade launcher. I used one in the army and i qualified expert with 39 out of 40 targets hit from 50 meters to 300 meters....i'd say i'm good with it..why?

****Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism****

You need not explain Socialism or any other kind of ideology to me...i am well versed in it.

This doesn't sound bad to you? I hope you never own a company that succeeds, or invent something, or make more than you neighbor....or want individual rights...just a thought....Lennin was such a great model to form a country around..them were the good 'ol days. Tell me what happened to Lenin and the U.S.S.R.?

****Now, we have that in america? Where? ****

The left and the UAW, Unions in general, Hillary Clinton, Tom Daschel, Dick Gehphart...etc..

****I watch the noose closing around us daily****

as do i and i see people like you holding it.

****Free men have free minds****

Not in socialism...the collective is the "free man"

What was the point of giving me a poem from a man that lives in a country that slaughters it's people for having a different opinion? I don't respect much things from them types of country's but as in your examples above you do.

Maybe a better verse would be this:

"The tree of liberty from time to time needs to be refreshed by the blood of tyrants and patriots. It is it's natural manure" T. Jefferson





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Re: Promises given/promises broken GWB [Re: Innvertigo]
    #484207 - 12/08/01 05:47 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

Since we are quoting Jefferson this is my favorite:
"A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither." --- Thomas Jefferson, in a letter to Madison
It helps me understand what the founders of this nation ment when they used the word freedom.


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Re: Promises given/promises broken GWB [Re: isis]
    #484626 - 12/09/01 01:27 AM (15 years, 1 day ago)

nice quote..i really like it and it's very true...i just hope bush will remember that when reacting to the terrorist situation

Nice to hear from you again...hopefully you don't still hate me...


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Re: Promises given/promises broken GWB [Re: Innvertigo]
    #485932 - 12/10/01 02:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

LOL. I hate no one.
I hope he remembers Innvertigo. I can't help but to think that as a society we have already traded a significant amount of our freedom for security.( Even before the Sept 11 attacks.)


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Re: Promises given/promises broken GWB [Re: isis]
    #486555 - 12/10/01 10:47 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Are you insane?
Perhaps. I guess that's a perspective. You know, like how some people would think that people who grow and eat mushrooms are insane.

With that said bush even won Florida after the recount....Listen Mr. Bitter you need to get over the fact that Bush beat Al Bore.
Are you going to call me Bitter Boy next? I notice in other posts you call people bitter as well. I frankly dislike ANY politician. But worse, I dislike people who tow ANY party line just for the sake of the party. It's like high school rivalries. There is nothing more damaging to this country you obviously feel yourself a patriot of.

Do you even know what you are trying to say, or did you just learn them words?
Words are gross, inadequate things at best. I try to explain my thoughts as best I can. If there is something you don't understand then I would be happy to try to explain differently.

Do a search on INNVERTIGO on this board and you will see that i have many battles with about 10 different liberals at the same time and they say the same thing..research before you open your mouth...poor loser.
You obviously see yourself as the opposite of a liberal which begs the question of what you do see yourself as. I believe you would also label me as a liberal? I wonder how you made such judgements as you know little if anything about me? Even enough to call me a loser? I wonder what Jefferson would say about your respect of other humans?

Thanks.....my favorite kind of weapon is the M-16 a1 with a 308 grednade launcher. I used one in the army and i qualified expert with 39 out of 40 targets hit from 50 meters to 300 meters....i'd say i'm good with it..why?
Do you own one? That's a pretty spendy weapon. Well, you couldn't legally own a grenade launcher unless you had the proper permits but still I don't know if civilians can own such things. I enjoy the .223 rounds as they will be around since NATO enjoys them as well. I asked because it's a good idea to own a weapon and know how to use it. Still sound liberal? My liberal friends think I am conservative and my conservative friends think me liberal. Just can't seem to buy one whole set of arguments from anybody I guess.

This doesn't sound bad to you? I hope you never own a company that succeeds, or invent something, or make more than you neighbor....or want individual rights...just a thought....Lennin was such a great model to form a country around..them were the good 'ol days. Tell me what happened to Lenin and the U.S.S.R.?
The definition that came with your relpy spoke of Marxist-Lenninist theory. Not what facicist BS took hold of thier ideals. There is a difference but I know it's hard to see behind all that. We jews tend toward community.

as do i and i see people like you holding it.
There you go again talking about someone you know nothing of. Does that work for you?

What was the point of giving me a poem from a man that lives in a country that slaughters it's people for having a different opinion? I don't respect much things from them types of country's but as in your examples above you do.
That "poem" for you ? A little egocentric no? That "poem" as you call it was not neccisaraly for you but I hope you liked it. You speak as if you know about this verse. Where are your ancestors from? That verse from the Tao Te Ching was written about 500 BC. Were your ancestors even writing then?

I guess we'll just see what comes out in the wash as my friend Hari says. Haven't seen him in a while. He's a federal fugative stemming from an incident of swimming naked in the national forest.



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