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Offline_JJ_
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These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS)
    #477472 - 12/02/01 06:48 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Hey everyone.. I've got these 3 cakes birthed (same as in last post) and they're getting fluffier and fluffier - can anyone tell me if this is how they should be looking at this stage? Also do I need to do anything at this stage to get them to pin or should I just leave them for the time being? They are EQ, which, as I understand, are hard to pin so I've used the PF tek double casing method. These cakes had a weird red contam prior to being birthed but that is now only slightly visible on close inspection - my guess is that it has been mostly overrun by the mycelium.
Btw - I do not mind about reduced fruitings or the such due to the contam - these are my last surviving cakes and I have nothing left on the spore print so it's kinda like I gotta save them from extinction hehe :)
Anyway here are the pics:




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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #477480 - 12/02/01 06:58 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Throw them all out. All contaminated badly. Green mold on all 3, pink nasty shit on the left 2, and cobweb mold in addition to the gm on the right cake. Sorry man. (that white fluffy stuff is not mycelem)


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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: Eightball]
    #477490 - 12/02/01 07:01 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

damn those cakes are fuked up. Throw em out. I wouldn't take any shrooms from those. Could get sick or die from contams. One o my friends cakes just had a tiny green spot so I chucked it. I have one question. If the cakes weren't contaminated before they were birthed are the ecuadors usually pretty resistant toward contaminants?


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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #477499 - 12/02/01 07:05 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm...
Hmmmmm......

Frankly, they don?t look too good. I fear you have multiple contaminations on these cakes, not only the reddish stuff.

There is not much to do now, provide humid enviroment, fan 1-2 times a day and wait. Perhaps some pins will show up before the contaminants overrun the cakes.

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: Anno]
    #477504 - 12/02/01 07:09 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

There's no green mould. I think what you're seeing are darker chunks of vermiculite. The only contam visible is that werid pinky red shit.. :/
O and also, they've been in the terrarium for over a week and have been improving the whole time. Nothing is overrunning the mycelium - it has gone from very little coverage to extensive coverage.

Edited by _JJ_ (12/02/01 07:10 PM)

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #477508 - 12/02/01 07:10 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

eww, what's all that red stuff and why are you still growing them after they started turning colors on you?

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #477510 - 12/02/01 07:11 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Fro what I can see there is the red stuff, some green mold, and some cobweb. I'd throw em away.


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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: FreakShow]
    #477512 - 12/02/01 07:12 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I told you.. heh - these are my LAST cakes. I need them to pin for propagation of the species. Customs here in Australia have upped their interception of all imports so I'm trying to reduce the chance of me having to order another print.

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #477516 - 12/02/01 07:14 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

dude, you're crazy. toss 'em!

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #477518 - 12/02/01 07:15 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

There's no cobweb mould. The colours are misleading. It's white, pure white - what I think you are referring to as cobweb mould is simply a little dry mycelium which has been rejuvinating after I added a little more water to the top casing layer.
Ok look.. I don't know how I can make this any clearer. There is ONLY one contam. It's pinkish. The rest of the cake is a nice white - the pix are misleading. I don't care about the contam. This is the ONLY stuff I have left. My question is simply is it possible to get this stuff to pin? And if so, what steps should I take to do so?
Thanks!!

Edited by _JJ_ (12/02/01 07:21 PM)

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #477529 - 12/02/01 07:24 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

> It's white, pure white

Either I?m seeing colors or you?re color blind ;)

There are all sorts of colors at this cake.

I will send you a print for free if this is your problem.

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: Anno]
    #477539 - 12/02/01 07:31 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with JJ here. I only see white. I AM colourblind, but that has no effect. Colourblindness doesnt mean you can only see black and white. It just mean syou have troubles differentiating between colours. For me my reds and greens look similar (so a red stop sign in front of a green tree is bad news for me).
But that means nothing, as there is only white fluff and brown verm on that. As far as its overfluffiness, I'm not sure on that. But for spore printing purposes only, I cant see any problems.
I wouldtn eat the fruit though


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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: razer]
    #477553 - 12/02/01 07:42 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Heh thanks razer, unfortunately as you are colourblind noone is going to take your opinion to heart except for me. Dammit :)
Anno: Money isn't the problem.. heh look, why don't we say that just for the hell of it I'm going to try to get these cakes to fruit and put everything else aside. I have the cakes right in front of me, and I'm not colourblind. This is exactly what I see:
They are white & fluffy, mycelium coverage is not complete, a couple of areas where water has dripped down the side of the cake have become slightly matted. There is a pinkish reddish contam visible through a thinner mycelium area near the top of a couple of the cakes. The white covering is really fluffy in areas, a little drier looking in others (like dried out fluff), there looks like a flowing sea of fluff on the vermiculite base growing outwards from one of the cakes. The drier mycelium is somewhat greyish I guess, but I guarantee you it's not cobweb mould. It smells sweetish, very very light smell though. When first birthed they smelt like sweet berries. The growth over the past week has been good, they've gone fluffier and whiter.

Edited by _JJ_ (12/02/01 07:43 PM)

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #477563 - 12/02/01 07:47 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

honestly i think u fucked up on sterility!!!!! what chu use for the jars? boil or pressure? how u innoculate? wiping the syringe needle each time it hit one side of the sterile jar with alcohal wipes? thaz what im gonna do, i can not afford to fuck up on my lext operation.

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #477564 - 12/02/01 07:48 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

>It smells sweetish, very very light smell though. When first
>birthed they smelt like sweet berries.

So you have a bacterial contamination atop of the visible problems.
Well, i really don?t want to discourage you, but IMO your chances are slim.

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: Anno]
    #477572 - 12/02/01 07:52 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Heh ok well... considering the current mycelium coverage and fluffiness etc (ignoring all contam factors pls:) is the humidity high enough or too low do you think? Is the coverage adequate to attempt a cold shock to initiate pinning? Thanks :)

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #477579 - 12/02/01 08:00 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

>the humidity high enough or too low do you think?

By looking at the walls of the container I?d say deffinitely high enough.

>Is the coverage adequate to attempt a cold shock to initiate pinning?

Well, the cakes are completely colonized(by whatever it is ;) ), so you could cold shock them.
When I do(did) cakes, I put them into the fridge for 1 day before birthing them.

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: Anno]
    #477584 - 12/02/01 08:04 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks Anno. I'll give it a shot and let you all know how it goes.. some nice gnarly twisted deadly shrooms that smell like berries comin right up :)

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: Anno]
    #477609 - 12/02/01 08:25 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Bacterial problem my ass, that cake is NOTHING BUT BACTERIA, that shit you see there that 'looks' like mycelium.. is NOT mycelium at all. Those cakes are fucked, and I knew this from the instant I saw your pic that they reaked of 'fruit'... lemme guess, they grew REALLY FAST; right? I know this because this happened to me with 12 half pints the VERY first time I ever grew, and I had no clue about what I had... yes, I cased em, caked em.... even did a 'deep scratch' when they wouldn't pin, cold shocked this tray of mold in my fridge.. I can look back now and laugh.. my house was DANK with fruit, and not the good 'fruitz' either. sorry bro, but "lets just pretend' will be 'just kidding yourself', you probably have swollen glands in your neck too from breathing the shit, send it down the grbage disposal.

even if you did have healthy cakes there, there is nothing you can do to "MAKE" them pin.

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #477617 - 12/02/01 08:29 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

this has become a very interesting forum to read. I still sit here, reading, and wondering wtf i'm doing reading this? Seems to me that if all you are really intending to do is to get a spore print, why don't you save yourself the hassle and just order a spore print for $10 or $15? If you do indeed end up w/ a spore print, won't you then just be just duplicating little 1/2 pint jars of red fuzzy stuff?

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: FreakShow]
    #477643 - 12/02/01 08:49 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

He already explained why he couldnt order another print.
And red moulds would not genetically alter the mushroom spores so that they grew into more red mould.


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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: razer]
    #477691 - 12/02/01 09:22 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

THAT IS NOT MYCELIUM... PERIOD.

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #477812 - 12/02/01 11:13 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Hey JJ :wink: if you're in Aus, why don't you order from Dutchie at MMA? (Mystical Mycology Australia - hosted thru shaman-australis)
They're in Adelaide, and you don't have to worry about overseas orders/Oz Customs (not sure about legality in W.A. though...)
They have prints, different substrates, empty syringes and also isolate cultures, which are apparently legal here.... :

Dammit...I tried to post the url, but it looks like they lost some pages in a recent update :mad:....

(here it is anyway in case they fix it up eventually - www.shaman-australis.com/shroom/Newsite/mainframe.htm)


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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: Anonymous]
    #477956 - 12/03/01 02:36 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

that is definatly not mycelium! I can do nothing but laugh at this guy and the way he's in denile and arguing with us, every single person on here has told him they're contaminated and it's not mycelium...lol

mold happens to the best of us dude, it's just a part of growing mushrooms somtimes. toss em and start over, this time be absolutly 100% anal with all of your sterility procedures and you should be safe for the most part...I just did 48 jars and only lost 2 to contams. your terrerium also looks to damn wet, reduce the water and keep the sides "misted" at all times, not huge water drops everywhere, that will also help to keep the contams down... and lysol the area 3-4 times a day. good luck in the future, try the spore vendors inside of Aussie.

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #477977 - 12/03/01 03:53 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

that stuff is probably mycellium

what's the temp?
they're not to hot, are they? 74-78 right?

that pink looks bad. real bad.


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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: carbonhoots]
    #477994 - 12/03/01 04:54 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

>that stuff is probably mycellium

There is no question about that this IS mycelium.
The question is, WHICH SPECIES? mycelium it is......

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: Anno]
    #478081 - 12/03/01 06:17 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

It's early and I'm a little buzzed, so maybe I overlooked the reason you couldn't order another print. I did see Anno offer you one. Here's your second offer. I have a spare eq print if you want to take another shot. pm me.


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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: babyshroom]
    #478155 - 12/03/01 09:57 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Ahhh, he doesn't care if it's contaminated, so stop telling him. He just want's to retrieve the spore print, and as he stated, he doesn't want to order a spore print because of upped security in Austrailia. Read the thread!

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: ShroomNewb]
    #478264 - 12/03/01 11:30 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

post some more pics........ i have grown manya fruit from contaminated cakes/casings...how hard can it be to get a print across borders?

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #478269 - 12/03/01 11:43 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

You might be able to fruit a cake that had the contaminate removed, ie. slicing off green mold. But even that is slim. You are dealing with a still present contam., your chances for fruiting are growing slimmer by the day. If you want, cold shock it overnight, and if it doesn't pin in 3 days THROW IT OUT!!!!

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: Supershrooomer]
    #478315 - 12/03/01 12:52 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

i bet if you cut that cake in half you would be instantly gased by a puff of red smoke!!!
dude, if the cake is contaminated how do you think you will get a sterile spore print even if you do get the cake to fruit?
come on man!
go to the spore exchange forum and possibly someone within your country would be willing to exchange prints with you. i would take anno and babyshroom up on their offer of a free print. start clean!! if not you will be fighting contams from your contaminated print in the next batch too. its not that hard to conceal a print especially in a letter that looks like two friends corresponding.
are you telling us that your government is opening everyones personal mail now????


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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: Supershrooomer]
    #478328 - 12/03/01 01:12 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

my opinion for what its worth is that looks exactly like my friends eq mycellium. try to give thsoe more air exchange in just that little container; theres prolly not much in there and should be fanned twice a day as O2 increase initiates pinning. yes cold shock those asap and if you have an empty syringe try injecting 5cc sterile water in the center of the cake before you cold shock. dont dunk them tho at this point, all it will do is mat down that fluffy mycellium more than hydrate it. its pretty small, i would wrap your whole container in saran wrap and refridgerate it for 12 hours.


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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #478421 - 12/03/01 03:12 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

If those pretty puffy white patches are starting to grow a light neon green right now, I gurantee that shit. Cakes are in no way supposed to look like that, any possibility of fruiting passed long ago.


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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: NugDumper]
    #478428 - 12/03/01 03:24 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

both of my cakes had growth like that and still pinned and fruited with no shocking. 1 of teh cakes that 'overgrow' only occured on half of teh cake but pins did sneak up thru the fluffy shit eventually. possibly the mycellium is trying to create its own 'casing' environment to keep water delivery constant and also airy??? its just a guess but in any event my fluffy cake grew 4 maztec shrooms 1st flush, largest being 15g wet. the other cake will be harvested of 2 mature shrooms but i realize the cakes need more inner moisture content and i expect larger 2nd and 3rd flushes after administering the inner reservoir tek.


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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #478444 - 12/03/01 03:39 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

>> Customs here in Australia have upped their interception of all imports so I'm trying to reduce the chance of me having to order another print.

Order a print off of someone you trust. Pay them an extra 5 bucks to get them to put the print in a birthday card, and mail it to you from a grandmotherly writing on the envelope... Post-it note wrapped with tape, print on the tape... Folded in half, taped shut... Very difficult to detect in a b-day card.

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: Freezen]
    #479868 - 12/04/01 06:57 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Heh thanks everyone for all the witty responses :) I haven't had net access for the past 2 days due to a nice big storm that knocked out power and cable. I tried cold-shocking the cakes and now the fuzz is matted and I doubt I'm going to get any fruits out of them. So I guess I'll try ordering from MMA here in Oz or take Anno or babyshroom up on their offer.. I think I'm probably being overly paranoid about customs :/ Anyhow.. thanks everyone!!

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #3840726 - 02/27/05 10:22 AM (19 years, 24 days ago)

just keep telling yourself the cakes are fine. eat the shrooms if they grow, and die. you are crazy.


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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: banda1825]
    #3840880 - 02/27/05 11:21 AM (19 years, 24 days ago)

banda, this post is about 4 years old dude..


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    #3840890 - 02/27/05 11:24 AM (19 years, 24 days ago)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #3841146 - 02/27/05 12:36 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

Dammit...I was getting into this story. What happened? Did he die? Did it fruit? It's almost like a weird bedtime story. I'll have to remember to tell this one to my kids when I have some.


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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: ymhrswrider]
    #3841217 - 02/27/05 12:51 PM (19 years, 24 days ago)

his last post was....05/14/03 12:01 AM

no idea...what happened.

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think I'll tell my 4 year old this story tonight...before bedtime!~

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: Roadkill]
    #4071589 - 04/19/05 04:33 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Ahh.. It's embarassing to read this thread (and all my others) Well I was 4 years younger I guess, a totally different person. Or something :smile:

Anyhow, from what I can remember I ended up tossing them... I can remember how frustrated I was with the entire thing. It took me something like 4 months to actually get some shrooms out of the deal. I figured out that my problem was basically in syringe preparation, the oven 'hood' tek never worked for me. I used a cardboard box with some gladwrap on the top I think (and that worked). Now that I'm growing again I've built a proper glovebox, so hopefully history won't repeat itself and I won't come crying to the forums in a reversion to infancy. :P

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #4072079 - 04/19/05 10:20 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

HAHA!! This was pretty entertaining!

So was any of that mycelium from a psilocybe? Or was it really ALL contaminant?

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: dr0mni]
    #4072147 - 04/19/05 10:36 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Well I think it wasn't psilocybe mycelium. It was probably a contam of some sort. And there was red on them, day by day they turned pinker and pinker. I was in total denial. :smile:

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Re: These 3 liddle cakes.. :) (PICS) [Re: _JJ_]
    #4072276 - 04/19/05 11:09 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

where are the pics?

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