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26 Israelis were killed by Hamas suicide bombers today. The Israeli people are very angry and it seems Sharon is under pressure to take very strong military action against the Palestinians. George Bush has asked Yasser Arraft to use all resources to track down the killers. Maybe if the Israeli army stopped its constant tank and missile attacks aginst the Palestinian Police Force, they might be able to do so. Also, if they had been treating the Palestinians with some humanity in recent times, this would not have occured. A few days ago the Israeli army shot 5 children, and have they been deliberately targetting children for years. In the last week they also assasinated a prominent Hamas member, clearly the spark for the recnt suiced bombings. Yet they reacted with outrage when their Ultra-right wing Tourism minister was assasinated, that too being caused by the Israeli army shooting people in Palestinan teritory.
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Re: Israel [Re: mm.]
#477319 - 12/02/01 04:16 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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And your point is? You're talking about Israel acting Israeli. The non-state of Palestine responds accordingly. Twas ever thus. Israel remains a fascist regime. Yes, fascist as in rule by military belligerence. How can anyone be shocked? Neither faction desires peace, they'd just assume fight from now until the end of time.
Absent are the peaceniks in Israel. Have you yet seen a student group calling for an end to violence?
See? And see now how our opininions weigh?
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#477432 - 12/02/01 06:19 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm afraid that NO party in this endless conflict is without innocent blood on his hands. It will never end.. It will never end. It will never end....
Both sides are murderers. Arafat us a either a liar or he cannot "control" his followers. If he is a liar, he should not be negotiated with. If he is not in control of his Palestinians, he should not be negotiated with.
The state of Israel is not legitimate in the eyes of the Palestinians. It never will be. They have been building "settlements", thereby solidifiying their hold on territory they say they are will to negotiate over. They cannot have it both ways.
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FACT: The 5 kids that died were not targeted delibrately. They accidentally kicked an unexploded tank shell. But let us not let the FACTS get in the way of a good line of bullshit.. Keep up the good work... You have yet to get any thing right in any post you have made. You post up polls with COMPLETLY LOADED questions. You take an event and turn it into something it is not. When were children targeted by Israel? They respond sometimes too aggressively but they go after the people they think are killers. Non- combatants do die in attacks, it's terrable but that is why war is terrible. IT is Hamas, Hezbollah and the Islamic Jihad that DELIBRATELY target non-combatants. Either Arafat is unwilling, or unable to reign in these groups.
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How can a "Fascist" state have truely democratic elections?
I can see you've been to your dictionary but the entire definition does not apply. Just the part you thought handy at the moment...
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sorry, i did make a mistake. The five child deaths last week were as a result of an Israeli booby-trap device planted on their route to school, they were not shot, nor did they 'accidently kick an unexploded tank shell.'
full story in UK Guardian newspaper here
Israeli soldiers do deliberately shoot children.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1296000/1296348.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/events/newsnight/newsid_1028000/1028210.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1428000/1428883.stm
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#478475 - 12/03/01 04:18 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ahh yes, the Left Wing Rag known as the Gaurdian. If These Israeli soldiers planted this so called "booby trap" Which has yet to be proven, I doubt very seriously they did it under orders to kill some kids. I listen to and watch a wide variety of news sources. From Fox, which I will admit has a Right Wing tilt to it. I also listen to the BBC and have done so on a nightly basis for the last 3 or so years. I listen to the BBC World Service. I also listen DAILY to that "supposed" bastion of Left Wing support, in America, National Public Radio. I wonder why this has never been reported by ANY of these news organizations?
And in one of the other sources from BBC, a mother of a 13 year old killed by Israeli Soldiers, when asked by the reporter if she thought her "child" should be fighting, she herself said, "He is not a child, he is a young man." The boy thought of himself as a legitimate combatant, and so did his mother...
If it turns out that the booby trap was a delibrate attempt to kill those 5 kids, those soldiers should be brought to justice. But I think the jury is still out on that.
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NIce stories. I like how the Palestinians are training kids to slit the throats of Israelis and telling them to throw stones at Israeli soldiers, and then say "We don't want any of our people to get killed."
They have a right to live in peace. They choose not to. The boy's mother summed it up perfectly, probably unaware of the solution staring her in the face.
MOTHER:
"(TRANSLATION) They want to fight and liberate Palestine. If we all stopped our sons, there would not be a fight."
Throwing rocks at a tank that doesn't fire unless fired upon isn't doing shit for the liberation of Palestine.
And now Pelestine is being bombed by Israel.
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i see a lot of racism here.
lets not forget that both sides are in the wrong, the only possible solution is a very long way out.
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#478795 - 12/03/01 09:21 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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A very long way out, Lenore.
Word on the wire is that Sharon ordered his assault helicopters to attack Arafat's Headquarters. That's the equivelent of attacking the White House. Israel was waiting for Palestine to fuck up substantially enough so that they could slip under the shield of infallability that the United States holds up to defend its 'War on Terrorism'. For that is exactly what has occured now: Israel has declared a 'war on terrorism' /against/ Palestine.
Let's look at what might possibly precipitate Israel doing this...because it's rather frightening... not what Israel is doing (that should have been easy to predict)... but the prescedent that the United States has set in their handling of Afgahnistan.
The United States was attacked by a group of individuals it associated roughly with a terrorist group residing in Afghanistan. When the government of Afghanistan wouldn't turn over the suspected terrorists, the government itself /was branded as terrorists/ and over the past two months...we've unilaterally destroyed the government.
Now Israel has taken up a 'War on Terrorism' with Palestine...claiming by inference that the Palestinian Government is /terrorist/ as well - just as the Taliban was. And what do you think their intentions and goals might possibly be? They want Palestine dissolved, just as we dissolved the Taliban - and they want a substantial say in the 'restructuring' of the theoretical 'New Government' that will be setup after the destruction.
What is the prescedent here? Because of the United State's overt behavior to Afghanistan, /war between countries can now be waged legally (unless you dispute the legality of the United State's war in Afghanistan) because of /claims/ that terrorists operate from within the target country/. How can the UN keep Israel from attempting to obliterate Palestine without effectively saying that the United States is itself in the wrong? It can't, and it won't. And now we behold the new face of terror.
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#478823 - 12/03/01 09:36 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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You see no such damn thing in any of my posts pal...
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#478827 - 12/03/01 09:38 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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It'll be a cold day in Hades when that tin shack that was attacked will come close to the Prestige of the American White House...
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#479171 - 12/04/01 07:21 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd like to get one thing crystal clear here Mr. Lenore. Show me racist statements in any of my posts. The only thing I'm doing here is criticising behaviours, OF BOTH SIDES. I have pointed out the hypocrasy of Israel for building settlements on territory they are at the same time negotiating over for possible establishment as a Palestinian homeland. Does that make me a racist?? I criticize Arafat for being definitely UNABLE and quite possibly UNWILLING to reel in Hezbollah, Hamas and the like from targeting civilians.
I will say that Arafat had the best offer he will ever get 14 months ago. He did not want to share Jerusalem. BOTH sides have legetimate historical claims to that city. He also wanted the "Right of Return" for all Palestinians to what is now Israel. Well now, can you blame Israel for refusing this? If 4.6 million Palestinians come to Israel, that is the end of the State of Israel. It would cease to exist.
Comprimises have to be made. Tough comprimises. NO PARTY here can claim moral high-ground. We are WAY past that. Now they have to stop and start fresh...
Israel ain't goin' nowhere. Face that. The sooner one faces that, the closer one is to the reality of the situation. The Palestinians are never going to cease their struggle. This is another fact here. Yes in 1967 Israel was attacked by several nations at once who vowed it's destruction. They underestimated the will of that tiny nation. Israel had a U.N. sanctioned territory that was embodied in the the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 in November of 47. Although Palestinians rejected this Resolution, it was an attempt by the World Community at the time to give both sides a place to call home.
After WWII the Jews were feeling just a bit "out of sorts" I hope you can understand that. They were"Ready to Rumble" in the parlance of the day... Israel has a right to a homeland, and so do the Palestinians.
That Race-Card is handy. It is the first knee-jerk reaction of a certain type in the world who have blinders on and are afraid to make definitive statements in any conflict. Next to "Child Molester", it is the most feared label a man can be tatooed with. In the current Political Climate, it usually sticks whether justified or not... It is the "nuclear blast" in a battle of ideas. Most people are afraid of openly and honestly critisizing the actions of a group because of this fear. Someday this will not be true and then the people who willy nilly throw this label around will have to think carefully before leveling this charge. I made this statement before and I'll make it again. BOTH sides here have innocent blood on their hands. And yes it is a long way out of the problems faced. But keep that race card in your hand. It doesn't apply here.
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You'll have to forgive Lenore he thinks if you oppose any group then you are a racist and a hatemonger. He's a perpetual socialist with no commonsense....his sock puppets are just as funny.
With that aside i hope that Isreal kills Arafat just for the crime of using the same oxygen as myself...BAM!!...no life force!!
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You can't even eat a Kosher hot dog in Israel without fear of a human bomb going off next to you.
What about the precedents set by practitioners of the Muslim faith? They claim to be a peaceful people but actions speak louder than words.
Just read that article on that boy that was killed. His parents and culture are getting off on the fact that he died. They have a sick and unhealthy attatchment to this whole "martyr" idea.
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I must have slipped into an alternate reality again...in this one...prestige must mean something akin to 'body count'.
The United States is one of the few countries in the world to have been condemned by the World Court with "the unlawful use of force," meaning international terrorism. The UN voted to try to force all States to abide by International Law, but the United State vetoed the Security Council Resolution - there is little wonder why.
We have this nice little institution on Patriotic American Soil called: The School for the Americas...where we /train/ central and south american 'leaders' on just how to carry out American policy initiatives in their home countries. These policy initatives include, but are not limited to: 'Soft Target' attacks (Soft Targets are defenseless civilians; priests, women and children as well as places where they might found) and Military Coup (where the Military is organized to overthrow an existing legitimate government and put in place a new system which is sympathetic to American business). These tactics are used to inspire terror, nothing else.
In Columbia where such policy has killed tens of thousands, Nicaragua where such 'soft target' attacks have left tens of thousands more corpses inside farming collectives. In the phillipines where half a million 'primitives' were killed - "slaughtering the natives in English fashion [until] the misguided creatures" who resist us will at least come to "respect our arms" and later will come to understand that we wish them nothing but "liberty [and] happiness."
The white house as a symbol for prestige. I must have misplaced my dictionary.
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Well IF that is true, then we suck.
But how did such information find its way into your head?
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Just what the HELL does the "School of the America's" which by the way should be shut down, have to fucking do with Israel and the attack on Arafat's HQ? And what in the fuck does my saying that Arafat's "tin shack" will not likely have 1/10 the Prestige of the American White House? EVER!! Just keep jumpin around til you land somewhere you can stay for a minute, ok? You have the attention span of a fucking KNAT. Jesus Christ you people get under my skin...
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****You have the attention span of a fucking KNAT. Jesus Christ you people get under my skin... ****
now you're starting to see how i feel.  i've had numerous debates with people on this board and their arguments are all over the map...welcome to my world my friend.....it's a bumpy ride
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I agree with Ishmael that the "School Of The America's" has trained many South American murders and they took what they learned here and took it home and killed thier own citizens. And thanks for that warm welcome into the world. But the Doctor beat you to it!! I knew right away it was gonna be a bumpy ride cause the first thing he did was slap my ass... LOL
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*****I knew right away it was gonna be a bumpy ride cause the first thing he did was slap my ass... LOL *****
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Cool...US says that they are peacefull country, but tha is not so true. Obviously. I mean, you attacked afganistan and many other countries with "right".
Well, what would happened if some of those south american countries got some weapon and attacked US? Would that be "right"?
I mean, unless you are hypocritesm, the ANSWER is YES!!!
IMO, justice has to be objective, not based on force. Because if it is based on force (such as Israel got its territory) , the peace and prosperity will never come. Same as terrorist attacks on US.
I am deffinitelly sre in this.
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#484859 - 12/09/01 07:49 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't think we ever claimed to be peaceful country.
world power seldom peaceful comrade.
and you said we would not defeat afghanistan and we have done this...
what for have you to say for self now?
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****Cool...US says that they are peacefull country, but tha is not so true. Obviously. I mean, you attacked afganistan and many other countries with "right". ****
We never attacked Afganistan...we retaliated. We are peaceful until people fuck with us.
****Well, what would happened if some of those south american countries got some weapon and attacked US? Would that be "right"? ****
After we destroyed them then we would determine whether or not it was right or not.
****I mean, unless you are hypocritesm, the ANSWER is YES!!! ****
Do you mean "unless you're a hypocrite"? If so the answer is NO!! Your not using a very good example of what is Hypocracy.
****IMO, justice has to be objective, not based on force. ****
Justice can be achieved by force if needed but this could of all been avoided if the Taliban would of given us the coward Osama Bin Laden
****Because if it is based on force (such as Israel got its territory) ****
Isreal got their land by kicking the shit out of their opponants. The US got it's land by kicking the crap out of Britain, Spain, Mexico, etc. Most if not ALL countries got their land that way.
****the peace and prosperity will never come****
Peace and prosperity will never exist as long as both sides are still around. The only way to have peace and prosperity is when one side destroys the other militarily. Isreal could kick the bajesus out of any of them countries in the middle east if we'd just let them.
****I am deffinitelly sre in this. ****
Are you sure?
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Yeah PGF. I feel like a shit (happy shit though) because the situation did not turn out to be in a way I thought it will happen.
So, in my view some things are missing. Now I guess, that US WONT attack IRAQ, because it was the ultimatum to saddam.
Second possibility: This all thing now looks to me like a hoax. I mean, it is pretty obvious that some little nut can make a weapon that could kill millions...very easy. So, Osama seems to failed more people than just me. ( I am glad because of it..off course--I do not want to die).
If he only wanted to crush wtc, than he succeded. But what for, than? I do not understand.
But, again PGF, the time has come where too big force is available to too primitive race- human race.
And people who support radicalism of any kind (the one witch denies other human being), do not understand that time has come where only guts can deciede.
Invert.... in the history indians where not in the situation to take back teir land from europeans. But, now, it is not that easy anymore. Isreal is an example. And my guess is that jews wont crush muslims ever, because it is not possible any more.
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****Invert.... in the history indians where not in the situation to take back teir land from europeans. But, now, it is not that easy anymore. ****
Eh??? What are you trying to say?
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Trying to say that Israel can not use force to take back their land after 2000 years.. I mean, they can.
But, in that way arabs know that injustice is done to them. In the era wich is comming, force is not valid argument, because pretty soon everybody will be able to destroy anybody. This can be avoided only if the justice is equal to everybody.
And that is not the case in this situation. To see is something justified or not, I use parallels: what would Us goverment do if indians wanted their land back? I know they would not get it back, because it has no sense.
the same idea is with the israel.
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****To see is something justified or not, I use parallels: what would Us goverment do if indians wanted their land back? I know they would not get it back, because it has no sense. ****
If they wanted their land back they would have to kick our ass to get it...and there is no countrey as of today that can do it. your parallels are comparing apples to oranges.
****Trying to say that Israel can not use force to take back their land after 2000 years.. I mean, they can. ****
Which one is it..they can or they cannot? They don't need to take back land..thier the ones who have it..you are very confusing
****But, in that way arabs know that injustice is done to them. In the era wich is comming, force is not valid argument, because pretty soon everybody will be able to destroy anybody****
people can attempt to destroy anyone they want...but doing it is an entirely different problem and no arab states can do it to Isreal on their own
your whole post is a contridiction!!!
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a missle strike today killed 2 palestinian children and injured 3 more... obviously the IDF wasnt aiming for them, but the fact of the matter is they'r dead
why should the parents of those children be denied any kind of justice? they arnt going to get anything more than an 'oops' from the IDF...
what would you do if they were your children? your neighbours, friends, family and yourself would probably start throwing rocks at isreali tanks..
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***a missle strike today killed 2 palestinian children and injured 3 more... obviously the IDF wasnt aiming for them, but the fact of the matter is they'r dead ***
all wars have innocent victims
****why should the parents of those children be denied any kind of justice? they arnt going to get anything more than an 'oops' from the IDF...****
it's a war..accidents happen
****what would you do if they were your children? your neighbours, friends, family and yourself would probably start throwing rocks at isreali tanks.. *****
Well i don't live in them worthless countries so that does not apply....what the hell are rocks going to do to a tank?
You seem to forget about the innocent people that were killed by the cowardly palastinian suicide bombers....or doesn't that matter?
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so palestinians try to defend themselves by sending out suicide bombers. terrorism? yes, it is - but not any less terrorizing than helecopters and tanks firing into crowded streets.. palestinians fear explosions and bullets just as much as isrealis do
dont get me wrong though.. i dont back people running into malls with nail studded bombs on their chests
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Re: Israel [Re: chuwie]
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****so palestinians try to defend themselves by sending out suicide bombers. terrorism? yes, it is ****
****dont get me wrong though.. i dont back people running into malls with nail studded bombs on their chests****
Then what are you saying then? You just said they're defending themselves by walking into these places. The cowards deserve to be shot. Isreal usually reacts to what the palastinians are doing...maybe if the palastinians backed off they won't get killed
****palestinians fear explosions and bullets just as much as isrealis do****
Yeah it usually follows a car bomb that a palastinian set off..
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You miss my main point here invertigo. That is the reason it seems to be a contradiction to you. BTW contradiciotn is a hiden truth.
My main point here is THAT: Humans have come to the point where almost ANY fool can make a weapon wich will have an equal deadly potential as US have nowdays. I am not talking about conventional weapons, of course.
"****Trying to say that Israel can not use force to take back their land after 2000 years.. I mean, they can. ****
Which one is it..they can or they cannot? They don't need to take back land..thier the ones who have it..you are very confusing " - you
They can try to, like Europeans did it to indians (talking about US). But nowdays Israel can not assimilate their enemies anymore in a way that they stay alive. Today it is just impossible (see my intro).
That is the reason why we (human race) have to turn toward dialogue and justice. Not FORCE.
I hope you understand my point now.
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another cowardly Palastinian terrorist attack....25 innocent people hurt...
This has to be isreals fault.....
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Re: Israel [Re: Crobih]
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correction 15 jews killed.......by cowards
AraFAG (arafat) is now insignificant
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The deaths should not come as a surprise. These people were ultra-orthadox jews blatantly flouting international law by making settlements in occupied land. If they perform such provocative actions in a warzone they should expect to get shot.
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Re: Israel [Re: mm.]
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****The deaths should not come as a surprise. These people were ultra-orthadox jews blatantly flouting international law ****
Oh..that clears it up. It's justifiable to send in a car bomb if you're a Jew expressing what we americans call freedom of speech. It should come to no surprise that the jews will kill those they think are responsible....hope there's no innocent people in there or we'll be hearing how bad jews are.
****making settlements in occupied land. ****
The same can be said for the palastinian cowards
****If they perform such provocative actions in a warzone they should expect to get shot. ****
If the cowardly, and very stupid i should add, palastinians are dumb enough to bring rocks to a gun fight then they should be expected to be shot....ya see where this is going.
In your vast array of knowledge this is what i get out of your response. If anyone live in the occupied area they deserve to die...unless they're anti Jew.
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Well I know if I was throwing rocks at an Israeli soldier, or living in illegally occupied territory, then I would expect to get shot. Say the Israelis assasinate a Hamas Leader, the Palestinians follow up with a suicde bombing, the Israelis respond with force, which leads to more attacks by the Palestinians... To stop this circle, someone needs to respond with something other than violence, and from a position of strength, the Israelis are better placed to do that.
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****Well I know if I was throwing rocks at an Israeli soldier****
What do you mean IF you knew?..they're the ones in the uniforms..i know these people are dumb but come on.
****or living in illegally occupied territory****
Where do you come up with this "illegally" occupied stuff from? Did or did not Isreal defeat it's enemies to take over these zones?...how do you think we got the united states?
***To stop this circle, someone needs to respond with something other than violence***
The only way to stop this is to totally annialate the palastinians because they will not be happy with any sort of peace deal. They are born with hatred and despise for the jews and will not be happy until they are pushed into the sea. Therefore it is the only solution..one side has to defeat the other..the palastinians are worthless so the jews need to flex their musscles and the United states needs to NOT get in their way.
****the Israelis are better placed to do that. ****
The jews are damned if they do, damned if they don't
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In reply to:
****Well I know if I was throwing rocks at an Israeli soldier****
What do you mean IF you knew?..they're the ones in the uniforms..i know these people are dumb but come on.
You completely misread what I said.
In reply to:
Where do you come up with this "illegally" occupied stuff from? Did or did not Isreal defeat it's enemies to take over these zones?...how do you think we got the united states?
I was refering to the illegal settlements in the occupied teritories, not to Israel in general. It is these settlements that the Ultra-orthadox jews shot on wednesday came from, and my statement that they should expect to get shot apllied only to them, as they are fully aware of the implications of their illegal actions. Yes the settlements are illegal, they break article 49 of the Geneva convention, and have been confirmed as illegal by the US and UK in the past.
In reply to:
The only way to stop this is to totally annialate the palastinians because they will not be happy with any sort of peace deal. They are born with hatred and despise for the jews and will not be happy until they are pushed into the sea. Therefore it is the only solution..one side has to defeat the other..the palastinians are worthless so the jews need to flex their musscles and the United states needs to NOT get in their way.
This just confirms you are an ignorant racist moron.
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****You completely misread what I said. ***
Then explain dipshit..it's what you wrote
****Yes the settlements are illegal, they break article 49 of the Geneva convention, and have been confirmed as illegal by the US and UK in the past***
Article 49: Definition of Attacks and Scope of Application
1. "Attacks" means acts of violence against the adversary, whether in offense or in defense.
2. The provisions of this Protocol with respect to attacks apply to all attacks in whatever territory
conducted, including the national territory belonging to a Party to the conflict but under the control
of an adverse Party.
3. The provisions of this Section apply to any land, air or sea warfare which may affect the
civilian population, individual civilians or civilian objects on land. They further apply to all
attacks from the sea or from the air against objectives on land but do not otherwise affect
the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict at sea or in the air.
4.The provisions of this Section are additional to the rules concerning humanitarian protection
contained in the Fourth Convention, particularly in Part II thereof, and in other international
agreements binding upon the High Contracting Parties, as well as to other rules of
international law relating to the protection of civilians and civilian objects on land, at sea or
in the air against the effects of hostilities.
Explain to me where the settlements are illegal...as far as i'm concerned article 49 refers to attacking "settlements" within an occupied area...nowhere does it say that a settlement can not happen..maybe i'm wrong...but where?
***This just confirms you are an ignorant racist moron. ***
I'm not the anti semetic...you are..Any person who attacks innocent people with cowardly bombs are worthless. The only people on the palastinian side that i feel for are the trully down trodden who "really" want peace. groups like Hamas(sp) need to be eliminated...you however, may disagree
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Article 49 also states "The occupying power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own population into the territories it occupies."
I also refer you to this resolution of the UN general assembly.
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*** I'm not the anti semetic...you are ***
No, I am anti-Zionist if anything. I have nothing against a people in general, only the violent ones on both sides. You are the truly racist one who said:
"The only way to stop this is to totally annialate the palastinians because they will not be happy with any sort of peace deal. They are born with hatred and despise for the jews and will not be happy until they are pushed into the sea."
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Hey Innvertigo, looks like you have a very distorted vision of facts. Your arguments are a mixed collection of hate, anger and a short vision in support to the Israeli side.
Every human being has the right to live, palestinians or israelis, now if you have this in mind how the hell can you justify one side ?
You would say "If Israelis don't kill palestinians, israelis will be killed by palestinians", well it's true but is also true the opposite "If palestinians don't kill israelis, palestinians will be killed by israelis", but that is not the fucking point you see, now pay attention, the so called democratic ideology created the western world and culture as we know it, as westerns you and me are, we are used to be shocked by walking bombs and handed gun children, you disaprove those methods because they look primitive and disgusting, but palestinian culture is not based on western parameters and will resist to incorporate any of our culture, it's their decision not ours and what we are doing is trying to impose our parameters. Isralis have a culture with much more western values than palestinians and that's one of the reasons the americans supports them, "convert to western values or suffer the consequences" simple as that. At the end all it counts is the number of deaths not how they're done, in my eyes there's no difference between a palestinian killing 15 innocents by blowing up him self with bombs than a israeli american choper or american F-16 killing the same amount of innocents, the eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth idea you try to defend leads me to one conclusion, at the end everybody will be blind and everybody will have to go to the dentist.
Put this in your fucking mind, force and war are not the means to resolve a conflict, the REAL FUCKING PROBLEM is that noboby gives a fuck about peace, both palestinian and israeli minds and culture are based on religious disputes, the "my god is better than yours, so i have the right to erradicate you" is one of the oldest cheap arguments to run a war, both parts do it, they hate each other because of religion and they kill each other to obtain the so fucking wanted holly land, the only way to stop all this nonsense would be the god himself coming to earth, is it possible ? Would it be Ala or Jeova ? Or both ? Put the cristian god as a moderator and present a debate on CNN news.
As you see, only such a small brain as yours will take one side. I cried when i saw a palestinian father protecting his son from crossfire between both parts and then his son was killed, wich bullet killed him ? Palestinian or israeli ?. I was revolted when i saw many israeli children killed in a bus by a palestinian bombist attack, all those kids had dreams waiting to come true, they were raged , killed, murdered.
How can you easilly justify killing by just being a fact of war ? It is a fact i know, but it only prooves how small hearted the human race can be and how wrong war is. Nobody will win this war without the total anihilation of the other side, you contribute with your ideals to the israeli side, i contribute to none and i think it's the better contribution i can give to our race.
"The only way to stop this is to totally annialate the palastinians because they will not be happy with any sort of peace deal. They are born with hatred and despise for the jews and will not be happy until they are pushed into the sea. Therefore it is the only solution..one side has to defeat the other..the palastinians are worthless so the jews need to flex their musscles and the United states needs to NOT get in their way."
This sentence really reflects the darkness inside your soul, you should eat a few shrooms and try to have a clear thinking about all this  , your "solution" is the effortless solution, the one human kind has to dispose as bag of trash if we want to go into the next step in our evolution.
"Where do you come up with this "illegally" occupied stuff from? Did or did not Isreal defeat it's enemies to take over these zones?...how do you think we got the united states? "
You are joking, aren't you ? Guess who were its enemies ? Palestinians and surrounding arab countries. Jungle law!!! Who ever wins the war gets the land!!! Sure!!! And that's the same fucking stupid reasoning both parts use and that's why they are still fighting asshole, can't you fucking see ???
"What do you mean IF you knew?..they're the ones in the uniforms..i know these people are dumb but come on."
You such an hassole man!! They don't have anything else to fight with, israeli government take their guns away, all its left are rocks to throw, the war is not fair to the palestinian side, they don't have tanks, chopers, air fighters, they just have some guns, some bazookas, rocks and bombs OVER, can you guess now why they make such many bombist attacks ? Palestinians are ready to die for their believes, they're not dumb, they sacrifice them selfs for the their cause, they were raised that way, can you see my explanation above on different cultures fitting in ?
"correction 15 jews killed.......by cowards "
You don't know the statistics about deaths on both sides for sure, do you know how many palestinians are killed when one jew is killed ? About the cowards stuff, i'm not going to explain all this "means of war" again.
"maybe if the palastinians backed off they won't get killed "
Yeah! let them go away, like lambs in straight line to the sea isn't it ?
"Yeah it usually follows a car bomb that a palastinian set off"- i will continue the sentence this way-"after the isrealis had killed 20 palestinians yesterday". Of course, isralis have more class, they don't use bombs, they use beautifull m-16 , galils, gorgeous tanks and air fighters shooting from the blue sky, aaahhhh! what a nice vision of warfare !!! ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!
"all wars have innocent victims"
"it's a war..accidents happen"
Yeah, fuck them, you didn't know the little guys anyway.
"You seem to forget about the innocent people that were killed by the cowardly palastinian suicide bombers....or doesn't that matter?"
Yes, it matters.
"Which one is it..they can or they cannot? They don't need to take back land..thier the ones who have it..you are very confusing "
Yeah! If i rob a car, it's mine because i have it. Then you call other people confusing ?
Do you know something about middle east history ?
"****To see is something justified or not, I use parallels: what would Us goverment do if indians wanted their land back? I know they would not get it back, because it has no sense. ****
If they wanted their land back they would have to kick our ass to get it...and there is no countrey as of today that can do it. your parallels are comparing apples to oranges. "
Kicking ass is the way to go people!!!
"We never attacked Afganistan...we retaliated. We are peaceful until people fuck with us"
Vietnam, Korea, Irak fucked with you, didn't they ?
i remember some bombing from them, don't you guys remember this countries bombing the US ? C'mon think real hard!!!!
"After we destroyed them then we would determine whether or not it was right or not. "
The american way! You have style afterall.
"Isreal got their land by kicking the shit out of their opponants. The US got it's land by kicking the crap out of Britain, Spain, Mexico, etc. Most if not ALL countries got their land that way"
And today, after some hundred of years of evolution some still have the same fucking ideas.
"Peace and prosperity will never exist as long as both sides are still around. The only way to have peace and prosperity is when one side destroys the other militarily. Isreal could kick the bajesus out of any of them countries in the middle east if we'd just let them. "
Peace and prosperity will never exist as long there's people thinking like you in this world.
"now you're starting to see how i feel. i've had numerous debates with people on this board and their arguments are all over the map...welcome to my world my friend.....it's a bumpy ride "
Last but not least, i think you should have some respect for other people inteligence, arguments are to be debated and should be all over the map, hope you learned something today!
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Re: Israel [Re: Crobih]
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Crobih. At best, the arabs could possibly create a dirty nuclear weapon that would not detonate as a real nuke would. Instead, it would be some plutonium attached to a large bomb detonated to scatter the radioactive material around a large area. Not quite as effective as a real nuke, but it would kill lots of folks and render the land unusuable.
Anyway, you keep saying these arabs can make a nuke, but they can not. In fact, the papers found in one of their camps on how to make a nuke, was a paper that has been circulating on the net forever. The only way that they could actually build a nuke is if they recruited german and russian physicists. You see, the arabs are lacking in nuclear phycicists these days. That's one reason they throw rocks and use arms mleft over from the 70's and 80's. They can not make a gun, much less a nuke.
But, they could possibly purchase one.
As far as Israel and the Palestinians are concerned, they are both primitive tribes; the same primitive tribes that have been there forever and have been fighting forever. Neither side is any more right than the other. They both are comitting heinous acts and it's pretty clear that neither wants any sort of peace.
Yes, there needs to be dialogue, but this country needs to back the fuck off and let nature take it's course. We've tried to get them to resolve their differences peacefully and neither side is capable. They lack the common sense and rational in their decision making. They are both too radical for any peaceful resolve and we do not belong in the equation. Fuck the jews, fuck the arabs, let them waste eachother and then maybe later we can go clean house and make create some working power structure.
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could you keep your posts down to 5 chapters..shheesh
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(well not what all of what he said was relevent - i juts dont like the way you ignored some of his good points)
this makes me angry
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/12/14/un.usforecast/index.html
how do you feel about that issue innvert? id like to know
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****well not what all of what he said was relevent - i juts dont like the way you ignored some of his good points****
Well when i have time i'll read it in the mean time what are his main points?..since you're his moderator and all.. :)
****this makes me angry
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/12/14/un.usforecast/index.html
how do you feel about that issue innvert? id like to know ****
I'll read both that article and MAIA's ungodly long partialy irrelavent post tonight..i'll have time then..
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Here is an interesting view. There are many Jews out there who are strongly opposed to the very idea of Israels existence, only the mainstream media tends to ignore them.
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org
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***Hey Innvertigo, looks like you have a very distorted vision of facts. Your arguments are a mixed collection of hate, anger and a short vision in support to the Israeli side****
No they're based on my views of cowardly acts...as far as i see it those palastinian terrorists are the only one's i hate.
****Every human being has the right to live, palestinians or israelis, now if you have this in mind how the hell can you justify one side ? *****
You're right...when i talk of annialation i mean one side defeating the other at war....not genocide.
****You would say "If Israelis don't kill palestinians, israelis will be killed by palestinians", ***
Unfortunatly it's the truth..however i believe it to be the palastinians who start most of the trouble in the middle east.
****well it's true but is also true the opposite "If palestinians don't kill israelis, palestinians will be killed by israelis", ***
I disagree...Isreal usually attacks after being attacked
****the so called democratic ideology created the western world and culture as we know it, as westerns you and me are, we are used to be shocked by walking bombs and handed gun children, you disaprove those methods because they look primitive and disgusting****
I find them acts to be of cowards because we are all human and have the ability to choose our actions.
****, but palestinian culture is not based on western parameters and will resist to incorporate any of our culture****
Then how can you pretend to know what you are talking about?
****it's their decision not ours and what we are doing is trying to impose our parameters***
So you agree with suicide bombers killing innocent people? Typical...but isn't murder wrong?
****Isralis have a culture with much more western values than palestinians and that's one of the reasons the americans supports them, "convert to western values or suffer the consequences" ****
No isreal chooses this way because it is successful...the middle eastern ways are just inferior..sorry
****At the end all it counts is the number of deaths not how they're done, in my eyes there's no difference between a palestinian killing 15 innocents by blowing up him self with bombs than a israeli american choper or american F-16 killing the same amount of innocents, the eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth idea you try to defend leads me to one conclusion, at the end everybody will be blind and everybody will have to go to the dentist. ***
Great analogy..wrong but great...i will not argue that i share the 'ol eye for an eye philosophy however you do not see isreal targeting "innocent" (truly innocent), people the palastinians do.
****Put this in your fucking mind***
WHOA now i really take you seriously...i bet you thought i would be scared and show you respect now eh? ha ha
****force and war are not the means to resolve a conflict****
Tell that to those who fought for our country...next question
****the REAL FUCKING PROBLEM is that noboby gives a fuck about peace, both palestinian and israeli minds and culture are based on religious disputes****
I agree
****As you see, only such a small brain as yours will take one side****
Oh ya got me there..i'm bleeding now..
****I cried when i saw a palestinian father protecting his son from crossfire between both parts and then his son was killed, wich bullet killed him ? ****
HA HA HA...sure ya did
****I was revolted when i saw many israeli children killed in a bus by a palestinian bombist attack****
But you just got done saying that since it's their way it's perfectly justified...Contradict much?
****but it only prooves how small hearted the human race can be and how wrong war is****
That's why they say war is hell...but are you that naive to think that they could ever broker a peace deal?
**** Nobody will win this war without the total anihilation of the other side, you contribute with your ideals to the israeli side, i contribute to none and i think it's the better contribution i can give to our race. ****
I think they call that being a fence rider...but you have every right to do so...i like to look at the big picture and make my decision..
***The only way to stop this is to totally annialate the palastinians .........****
I was refering to those that seek the death of the jewish people...not the innocents
****You are joking, aren't you ? Guess who were its enemies ? Palestinians and surrounding arab countries. Jungle law!!! Who ever wins the war gets the land!!! Sure!!! ****
Nope, i'm serious..how do you think we became a country?...should we give land back to mexico and england?
***And that's the same fucking stupid reasoning both parts use and that's why they are still fighting asshole, can't you fucking see ??? ****
blah, blah, blah, blah...relax my man your making yourself sound a tad winey..
****You such an hassole man!! They don't have anything else to fight with, israeli government take their guns away****
You missed my point. MM made the suggestion that the palastinians didn't know that they were throwing rocks at the military...no take a breath
****the war is not fair to the palestinian side, they don't have tanks, chopers, air fighters, they just have some guns, some bazookas, rocks and bombs OVER, can you guess now why they make such many bombist attacks ? ***
So then you favor suicide attacks..ah now the real you comes out..man that took a while..
****Palestinians are ready to die for their believes, they're not dumb, they sacrifice them selfs for the their cause, they were raised that way, can you see my explanation above on different cultures fitting in ?****
oh sure killing innocent people equals "fitting in"...maybe if they stopped bombing people would want them to fit in.
****About the cowards stuff, i'm not going to explain all this "means of war" again***
You don't have to..they are cowards. But since you brought up this being a war then i feel even less declined to feel sorry for the numb nuts throwing rocks at a tank.
****Yeah! let them go away, like lambs in straight line to the sea isn't it ? ****
eh?
****they use beautifull m-16 , galils, gorgeous tanks and air fighters shooting from the blue sky, aaahhhh! what a nice vision of warfare !!! ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!! ****
Ah..the 'ol m-16 ..such a nice weapon..beats a rock any day...man i must have you jumping of the fucking walls..ha ha ha ha...you aren't palastinian are you?
****Yeah, fuck them, you didn't know the little guys anyway****
nope
****Yeah! If i rob a car, it's mine because i have it. Then you call other people confusing ? Do you know something about middle east history ? ****
Yeah i know about the history...there was a war isreal won it and the palastinians are getting their asses handed to them..the end.
****Kicking ass is the way to go people!!! ****
****Vietnam, Korea, Irak fucked with you, didn't they ? *****
****The american way! You have style afterall. ****
****Last but not least, i think you should have some respect for other people inteligence****
All irrelavent to the conversation..all over the map
I hope i really pissed you off as i think i did that was my intention. To sum up my beliefs on this matter i will say that i hope isreal kicks the crap out of the palastinian (soldiers) and brings them to their knees..the innocents i would like to be left alone if possible but in war that is never guarenteed. No w if it were even possible that the 2 sides could make peace i'd be for it but i'm not as naive as you are to believe this.
Have a nice day,
Your best friend,
INNVERTIGO
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Agreed. The only reason I stay on the arabs side on this dialog is becasue US citizens such as invertiggo live in the realisation that Jews are right. And arabs are dirty. Becaause of US propaganda wich he is not aware of, off course .
If I visitted arab channel, I would shit over them much more than over jews.
Kill them all...long live woody alen and his wife-daugther.
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Re: Israel [Re: Crobih]
#492716 - 12/16/01 08:53 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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***The only reason I stay on the arabs side on this dialog is becasue US citizens such as invertiggo live in the realisation that Jews are right***
that's a pretty weak belief base you have if you base your beliefs on how i percieve mine to be. I like chocolate ice cream...is your favorite ice cream vanilla now?
***And arabs are dirty. Becaause of US propaganda wich he is not aware of, off course . ****
You said it..not me.....and as for us propaganda, are there black helicopters flying in your town right now?
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Nope, i'm not palestinian, i'd kill myself if i was one.
I came from planet niburu 3600 years ago and reincarnated 26 years ago after a short 500 years sleep. As my ancesters, i believe in evolution as primary engine of the universe expansion, politicaly you can consider me anarchist because of some of its uniques caracteristics, it will be the next "political" system after some genetical imperfections (wich alters Man behaviour) are corrected in the human race.
Now, i'm sure that's confusing to you.
Peace,
MAIA
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Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
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Re: Israel [Re: MAIA]
#492870 - 12/16/01 12:58 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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****Now, i'm sure that's confusing to you. ****
What's confusing to me is how anyone can take you seriously
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Re: Israel [Re: Crobih]
#493473 - 12/17/01 01:18 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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agreed comrade.
there is no right side in the palestinian/israeli issue.
saying that there is is an oversimplification and and error
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"What's confusing to me is how anyone can take you seriously"
Really ? I just concluded there's no point on trying to make you see how things should be. Your arguments worth nothing and your reply is empty, that's why i was playing a bit, it's the same thing you see, you're inflexible and closed inside that little world of yours, you will not learn nothing untill you can open you mind and reach the conclusion that there's no absolute truth and thus there's no right side.
What's confusing me is how people still have the patience to debate with deaf minded people, normaly i can get good points and learn from others opinion, still learnning nothing with you, sorry.
I hope i can comunicate with you with music,
Holy Wars...
Brother will kill brother
Spilling blood across the land
Killing for religion
Something I don't understand
Fools like me, who cross the sea
And come to foreign lands
Ask the sheep, for their beliefs
Do you kill on God's command?
A country that's divided
Surely will not stand
My past erased, no more disgrace
No foolish naive stand
The end is near, it's crystal clear
Part of the master plan
Don't look now to Israel
It might be your homelands
Holy wars
Upon my podium, as the
Know it all scholar
Down in my seat of judgement
Gavel's bang, uphold the law
Up on my soapbox, a leader
Out to change the world
Down in my pulpit as the holier
Than-thou-could-be-messenger of God
Peace,
MAIA
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Re: Israel [Re: MAIA]
#493575 - 12/17/01 05:56 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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i just saw a tourist company offering round trip tickets to israel for pretty cheap. who would like to go.................................me niether
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Re: Israel [Re: MAIA]
#493589 - 12/17/01 06:12 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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****Really ? I just concluded there's no point on trying to make you see how things should be. Your arguments worth nothing and your reply is empty****
Maybe if i started attacking you personally as opposed to ideologically (sp) you'd see my point. You had nothing to say but blah, blah, blah...and and an occational profanity..which is fine by me because i would expect nothing less from someone like you.
****you're inflexible and closed inside that little world of yours, you will not learn nothing untill you can open you mind and reach the conclusion that there's no absolute truth and thus there's no right side. ****
"untill you can open you mind " translation, until you agree with me.
****What's confusing me is how people still have the patience to debate with deaf minded people***
What's amazing is how someone could write so much and say so little
****normaly i can get good points and learn from others opinion, still learnning nothing with you, sorry. ****
Normally you can if you debate those that agree with you.. I on the other hand think your full of shit...sorry.
***I hope i can comunicate with you with music***
No..didn't work
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"Maybe if i started attacking you personally as opposed to ideologically (sp) you'd see my point. You had nothing to say but blah, blah, blah...and and an occational profanity..which is fine by me because i would expect nothing less from someone like you"
Rhetorical speech, if you know what that means.
""untill you can open you mind " translation, until you agree with me. "
Interpretation, if i agree with you i'm half minded, as you are only open to one side.
"What's amazing is how someone could write so much and say so little "
Correction, you only understand half of it. If you understood the entire scene you wouldn't take any side.
"Normally you can if you debate those that agree with you"
A debate is a conversation between two or more people where diferent ideas are discused. I can not debate with people that agree with me, it would be a simple conversation :)
" I on the other hand think your full of shit...sorry."
It's amazing how someone could write so little and say nothing.
"No..didn't work"
I can try math, is even more universal you know.
Peace,
MAIA
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