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*****I knew right away it was gonna be a bumpy ride cause the first thing he did was slap my ass... LOL *****
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Cool...US says that they are peacefull country, but tha is not so true. Obviously. I mean, you attacked afganistan and many other countries with "right".
Well, what would happened if some of those south american countries got some weapon and attacked US? Would that be "right"?
I mean, unless you are hypocritesm, the ANSWER is YES!!!
IMO, justice has to be objective, not based on force. Because if it is based on force (such as Israel got its territory) , the peace and prosperity will never come. Same as terrorist attacks on US.
I am deffinitelly sre in this.
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 Re: Israel  [Re: Crobih]
#484859 - 12/09/01 07:49 AM (23 years, 5 days ago) |
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I don't think we ever claimed to be peaceful country.
world power seldom peaceful comrade.
and you said we would not defeat afghanistan and we have done this...
what for have you to say for self now?
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#485246 - 12/09/01 05:01 PM (23 years, 5 days ago) |
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****Cool...US says that they are peacefull country, but tha is not so true. Obviously. I mean, you attacked afganistan and many other countries with "right". ****
We never attacked Afganistan...we retaliated. We are peaceful until people fuck with us.
****Well, what would happened if some of those south american countries got some weapon and attacked US? Would that be "right"? ****
After we destroyed them then we would determine whether or not it was right or not.
****I mean, unless you are hypocritesm, the ANSWER is YES!!! ****
Do you mean "unless you're a hypocrite"? If so the answer is NO!! Your not using a very good example of what is Hypocracy.
****IMO, justice has to be objective, not based on force. ****
Justice can be achieved by force if needed but this could of all been avoided if the Taliban would of given us the coward Osama Bin Laden
****Because if it is based on force (such as Israel got its territory) ****
Isreal got their land by kicking the shit out of their opponants. The US got it's land by kicking the crap out of Britain, Spain, Mexico, etc. Most if not ALL countries got their land that way.
****the peace and prosperity will never come****
Peace and prosperity will never exist as long as both sides are still around. The only way to have peace and prosperity is when one side destroys the other militarily. Isreal could kick the bajesus out of any of them countries in the middle east if we'd just let them.
****I am deffinitelly sre in this. ****
Are you sure?
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Re: Israel [Re: PGF]
#485794 - 12/10/01 07:59 AM (23 years, 4 days ago) |
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Yeah PGF. I feel like a shit (happy shit though) because the situation did not turn out to be in a way I thought it will happen.
So, in my view some things are missing. Now I guess, that US WONT attack IRAQ, because it was the ultimatum to saddam.
Second possibility: This all thing now looks to me like a hoax. I mean, it is pretty obvious that some little nut can make a weapon that could kill millions...very easy. So, Osama seems to failed more people than just me. ( I am glad because of it..off course--I do not want to die).
If he only wanted to crush wtc, than he succeded. But what for, than? I do not understand.
But, again PGF, the time has come where too big force is available to too primitive race- human race.
And people who support radicalism of any kind (the one witch denies other human being), do not understand that time has come where only guts can deciede.
Invert.... in the history indians where not in the situation to take back teir land from europeans. But, now, it is not that easy anymore. Isreal is an example. And my guess is that jews wont crush muslims ever, because it is not possible any more.
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#485807 - 12/10/01 08:21 AM (23 years, 4 days ago) |
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****Invert.... in the history indians where not in the situation to take back teir land from europeans. But, now, it is not that easy anymore. ****
Eh??? What are you trying to say?
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Trying to say that Israel can not use force to take back their land after 2000 years.. I mean, they can.
But, in that way arabs know that injustice is done to them. In the era wich is comming, force is not valid argument, because pretty soon everybody will be able to destroy anybody. This can be avoided only if the justice is equal to everybody.
And that is not the case in this situation. To see is something justified or not, I use parallels: what would Us goverment do if indians wanted their land back? I know they would not get it back, because it has no sense.
the same idea is with the israel.
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#485833 - 12/10/01 09:47 AM (23 years, 4 days ago) |
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****To see is something justified or not, I use parallels: what would Us goverment do if indians wanted their land back? I know they would not get it back, because it has no sense. ****
If they wanted their land back they would have to kick our ass to get it...and there is no countrey as of today that can do it. your parallels are comparing apples to oranges.
****Trying to say that Israel can not use force to take back their land after 2000 years.. I mean, they can. ****
Which one is it..they can or they cannot? They don't need to take back land..thier the ones who have it..you are very confusing
****But, in that way arabs know that injustice is done to them. In the era wich is comming, force is not valid argument, because pretty soon everybody will be able to destroy anybody****
people can attempt to destroy anyone they want...but doing it is an entirely different problem and no arab states can do it to Isreal on their own
your whole post is a contridiction!!!
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a missle strike today killed 2 palestinian children and injured 3 more... obviously the IDF wasnt aiming for them, but the fact of the matter is they'r dead
why should the parents of those children be denied any kind of justice? they arnt going to get anything more than an 'oops' from the IDF...
what would you do if they were your children? your neighbours, friends, family and yourself would probably start throwing rocks at isreali tanks..
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Re: Israel [Re: chuwie]
#486002 - 12/10/01 01:10 PM (23 years, 4 days ago) |
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***a missle strike today killed 2 palestinian children and injured 3 more... obviously the IDF wasnt aiming for them, but the fact of the matter is they'r dead ***
all wars have innocent victims
****why should the parents of those children be denied any kind of justice? they arnt going to get anything more than an 'oops' from the IDF...****
it's a war..accidents happen
****what would you do if they were your children? your neighbours, friends, family and yourself would probably start throwing rocks at isreali tanks.. *****
Well i don't live in them worthless countries so that does not apply....what the hell are rocks going to do to a tank?
You seem to forget about the innocent people that were killed by the cowardly palastinian suicide bombers....or doesn't that matter?
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so palestinians try to defend themselves by sending out suicide bombers. terrorism? yes, it is - but not any less terrorizing than helecopters and tanks firing into crowded streets.. palestinians fear explosions and bullets just as much as isrealis do
dont get me wrong though.. i dont back people running into malls with nail studded bombs on their chests
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Re: Israel [Re: chuwie]
#487110 - 12/11/01 05:59 AM (23 years, 3 days ago) |
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****so palestinians try to defend themselves by sending out suicide bombers. terrorism? yes, it is ****
****dont get me wrong though.. i dont back people running into malls with nail studded bombs on their chests****
Then what are you saying then? You just said they're defending themselves by walking into these places. The cowards deserve to be shot. Isreal usually reacts to what the palastinians are doing...maybe if the palastinians backed off they won't get killed
****palestinians fear explosions and bullets just as much as isrealis do****
Yeah it usually follows a car bomb that a palastinian set off..
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You miss my main point here invertigo. That is the reason it seems to be a contradiction to you. BTW contradiciotn is a hiden truth.
My main point here is THAT: Humans have come to the point where almost ANY fool can make a weapon wich will have an equal deadly potential as US have nowdays. I am not talking about conventional weapons, of course.
"****Trying to say that Israel can not use force to take back their land after 2000 years.. I mean, they can. ****
Which one is it..they can or they cannot? They don't need to take back land..thier the ones who have it..you are very confusing " - you
They can try to, like Europeans did it to indians (talking about US). But nowdays Israel can not assimilate their enemies anymore in a way that they stay alive. Today it is just impossible (see my intro).
That is the reason why we (human race) have to turn toward dialogue and justice. Not FORCE.
I hope you understand my point now.
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 Palastinians are cowards [Re: Crobih]
#488631 - 12/12/01 12:05 PM (23 years, 2 days ago) |
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another cowardly Palastinian terrorist attack....25 innocent people hurt...
This has to be isreals fault.....
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Re: Israel [Re: Crobih]
#489600 - 12/13/01 07:41 AM (23 years, 1 day ago) |
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correction 15 jews killed.......by cowards
AraFAG (arafat) is now insignificant
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The deaths should not come as a surprise. These people were ultra-orthadox jews blatantly flouting international law by making settlements in occupied land. If they perform such provocative actions in a warzone they should expect to get shot.
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Re: Israel [Re: mm.]
#489664 - 12/13/01 09:37 AM (23 years, 1 day ago) |
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****The deaths should not come as a surprise. These people were ultra-orthadox jews blatantly flouting international law ****
Oh..that clears it up. It's justifiable to send in a car bomb if you're a Jew expressing what we americans call freedom of speech. It should come to no surprise that the jews will kill those they think are responsible....hope there's no innocent people in there or we'll be hearing how bad jews are.
****making settlements in occupied land. ****
The same can be said for the palastinian cowards
****If they perform such provocative actions in a warzone they should expect to get shot. ****
If the cowardly, and very stupid i should add, palastinians are dumb enough to bring rocks to a gun fight then they should be expected to be shot....ya see where this is going.
In your vast array of knowledge this is what i get out of your response. If anyone live in the occupied area they deserve to die...unless they're anti Jew.
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Well I know if I was throwing rocks at an Israeli soldier, or living in illegally occupied territory, then I would expect to get shot. Say the Israelis assasinate a Hamas Leader, the Palestinians follow up with a suicde bombing, the Israelis respond with force, which leads to more attacks by the Palestinians... To stop this circle, someone needs to respond with something other than violence, and from a position of strength, the Israelis are better placed to do that.
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#489768 - 12/13/01 11:49 AM (23 years, 1 day ago) |
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****Well I know if I was throwing rocks at an Israeli soldier****
What do you mean IF you knew?..they're the ones in the uniforms..i know these people are dumb but come on.
****or living in illegally occupied territory****
Where do you come up with this "illegally" occupied stuff from? Did or did not Isreal defeat it's enemies to take over these zones?...how do you think we got the united states?
***To stop this circle, someone needs to respond with something other than violence***
The only way to stop this is to totally annialate the palastinians because they will not be happy with any sort of peace deal. They are born with hatred and despise for the jews and will not be happy until they are pushed into the sea. Therefore it is the only solution..one side has to defeat the other..the palastinians are worthless so the jews need to flex their musscles and the United states needs to NOT get in their way.
****the Israelis are better placed to do that. ****
The jews are damned if they do, damned if they don't
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In reply to:
****Well I know if I was throwing rocks at an Israeli soldier****
What do you mean IF you knew?..they're the ones in the uniforms..i know these people are dumb but come on.
You completely misread what I said.
In reply to:
Where do you come up with this "illegally" occupied stuff from? Did or did not Isreal defeat it's enemies to take over these zones?...how do you think we got the united states?
I was refering to the illegal settlements in the occupied teritories, not to Israel in general. It is these settlements that the Ultra-orthadox jews shot on wednesday came from, and my statement that they should expect to get shot apllied only to them, as they are fully aware of the implications of their illegal actions. Yes the settlements are illegal, they break article 49 of the Geneva convention, and have been confirmed as illegal by the US and UK in the past.
In reply to:
The only way to stop this is to totally annialate the palastinians because they will not be happy with any sort of peace deal. They are born with hatred and despise for the jews and will not be happy until they are pushed into the sea. Therefore it is the only solution..one side has to defeat the other..the palastinians are worthless so the jews need to flex their musscles and the United states needs to NOT get in their way.
This just confirms you are an ignorant racist moron.
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