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 Man
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 Re: Forever cake tek!!  [Re: DrJoseph]
#489392 - 12/12/01 11:50 PM (23 years, 2 days ago) |
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Why bother with all this recasing if u can just add nutritious water? I think it would be easy to make a self watering aparatus (like the mesh idea). I was thinking running a tube in the side of the casing to what ever layer would be best to recieve it and I havent come up with a good way to diffuse it evenly but I will come up with something.
The problems I forsee are how can u ensure the resivoir of feed water will remain sterile? How can u adjust the rate of watering? What is the correct rate of watering?
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Jammer
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 Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: Man]
#489394 - 12/12/01 11:54 PM (23 years, 2 days ago) |
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hmm... ' sounds like your venturing into the murky waters of Mushroom Hydrophonics.
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azurescen
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 Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: Jammer]
#489723 - 12/13/01 11:03 AM (23 years, 2 days ago) |
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Maybe instead of pulling the mesh/casing after the 1st flush, why not wait till the 3rd, since with a casing the second flush is sometimes even better than the first.
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DrJoseph
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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: azurescen]
#489797 - 12/13/01 12:12 PM (23 years, 2 days ago) |
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whatever floats your boat. i mean the purpose of the mesh is so that if yur casing goes contam then you can pull it up and replace it before it ruins yur substrate cake. Thats the main reason its there.. ya, go for 3 flushes and replace the casing. might be better, ya never know.
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Proteus
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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
#489859 - 12/13/01 01:01 PM (23 years, 2 days ago) |
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SO all this talk about a burlap bag b/w the colonized substrate and the casing - - My 64,000 dollar question is: Are the shrooms supposed to grow thru the bag/mesh??
Sorry if I'm missing something very elementary here.....
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upupup
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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
#490048 - 12/13/01 04:12 PM (23 years, 2 days ago) |
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Wait, wait, wait. It's casing, then substrate, then mesh layer, then casing. The idea is once it's finished flushing or after the first flush then you pull up the top layer of casing and then lay another mesh layer down, then more substrate. Get it?
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DrJoseph
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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: upupup]
#490079 - 12/13/01 04:43 PM (23 years, 2 days ago) |
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the myc will grow through the burlap and onto the casing.. they will be able to form hypherial knots or whatever they're called between the holes in the burlap... or sometyhin like that.. but the shrooms themeselves develope above the burlap where the casing is, and never grow through the burlap.. just the myc goes through the burlap. and the idea of using burlap sprung about because then it could be used to wick moisture deep under the casings, right where the mushies need it.
And upupup.. did you mean to say that when you pull up the first flush, you put down another mesh and another CASING? not another layer of SUBSTRATE? i mean.. another layer of fresh substrate would easily get contamned..
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upupup
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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
#490189 - 12/13/01 06:16 PM (23 years, 2 days ago) |
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Yes. My bad. I meant to say casing. So to clarify, it would be casing, substrate, mesh, casing. This is all hypothetical sort of. I would guess commercial growers have already done this since there is a patent and all. I have not seen burlap that has big enough holes in it to allow for the myc to grow through but maybe it dosen't have to be that large of holes. Do ya'll realize that if this works it almost would eliminate the need for misting casings? I am into straw right now and wonder if it has a place there as well.
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Man
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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
#490196 - 12/13/01 06:21 PM (23 years, 2 days ago) |
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How will changing the top layer produce more mushies anyway? It has no nutritional value other than a bit of water. So even if u could do this over and over it's gonna run out of nutrients eventually. Probably on the 2nd or 3rd new top layer. I'm not an expert here but if what I've said above is true it would seem adding nutritious water is the only solution to extending ur casings life.
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DrJoseph
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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: Man]
#490416 - 12/13/01 09:30 PM (23 years, 1 day ago) |
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let me say it again.. the main purpose of the mesh is so that if the casing goes bad (contaminated) then the whole thing can be lifted out and replaced with a new casing.. insteaad of starting over with a completely new colonized substrate.
NOW. if we can somehow use this method to further improve on the standard casing, it would be even greater... such as using some sort of burlap instead of plastic screen, thus eliminating the need for misting.. potentially.. AND if we find some way of adding more nutrients without openning a huge gap for contamination... then we have our forever cake completed. Get it?? cuz i do.. now somebody think of a good way of adding neuts without contams!!
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cowflop
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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
#490806 - 12/14/01 06:36 AM (23 years, 1 day ago) |
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Put nutrients in the water you case with? I would put the burlap on the bottom and top of the substrate. And yes i have seen burlap with big holes. Coconuts shipped in come in burlap bags with 1/8" holes I'd say.
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