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OfflineDrJoseph
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Forever cake tek!!
    #477211 - 12/02/01 04:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Was just thinking...... and figured out that it would be quite possible to have a cake with a near infinite amount of flushes.. heres how it works..

Make a standard casing however works best for you.. birth and take the first flush. it was great, wasnt it? now... re-case with a half inch of either substrate or more casing. cover with aluminum foil and let myc regenerate for a week or two. once myc looks good, remove aluminum foil and rebirth. This can be repeated over and over until tyou reach the top of yur container. If you find it working well you can take 2 or more flushes from each casing before you re-case.
The reason this tek would be useful is because you would have to revert back to starting from scratch alot less often. No more jars and pressure cooking and the looong wait for 100% colonization. well atleast you wouldnt do it as often.
Anyone have any comments?


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
    #477345 - 12/02/01 06:50 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Great in theory, unfortunately in real life it would contaminate as soon you add some fresh substrate to the casing.


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
    #477365 - 12/02/01 07:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Ya, you'd lose your new casings to contams most likely... also, you'd need to provide nutrients somehow, the cakes would last a little while but it'd get used up way before "infinite" : )


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DarK_SavioR]
    #477466 - 12/02/01 08:45 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

hmm well im pretty sure it wouldnt run out of neuts.. when yur adding a new layer of substrate such as birdseed and verm.. and the reason that it wouldnt get contammed right away is cuz you mix up the substrate in a pyrex bowl and mycrowave it for a bit, then put it right into the terrarium after its cooled.. but you cool it in a sterile place with a piece of serain wrap on top. and when you put the substrate on top of the cake, its coverd with aluminum foil and daily misted with H2O2 water solution until the myc has recoverd.
see any flaws in that??


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
    #477477 - 12/02/01 08:56 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

>then put it right into the terrarium

Is your terrarium sterile? if not, then you will be putting fresh substrate on unsterile casing, and it will contaminate.
But try it out, you will see for yourself if it works or not.


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
    #477540 - 12/02/01 09:33 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

You could go ahead and try it out... adding substrate on top of the previous casing is really risky for contams though. I thaught you where just adding another casing layer without any nutrients in it, thats still risky for contams but not as much as bird seed would be. You should clean out your terrarium before placing the new casing in there. Try it out and tell us how it goes.


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DarK_SavioR]
    #477625 - 12/02/01 10:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

hmmm well i think alot of H2O2 would have to be involved... yes, it would be risky.. maybe only adding a centemeter thick layer of substrate would be required. less chance for contamsn and it would regenerate quicker.
-OR-
Adding in another casing layer with some honey mixed in with it for neutrients.. less attraction for contamns maybe? Well, i'll have to try it out with a little of my next round of cakes.. it'll be a while till then, but i'll tell ya how it goes.


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
    #477737 - 12/02/01 11:54 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

good luck... you'll need to stay as clean as possible. I've experimented with adding nutrients in my casing layers and most of the time I'll lose it to contams after a couple flushes (sometimes after the first).


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
    #477803 - 12/03/01 01:05 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Peroxide will only kill spores and bacteria, odds are theren will be some living molds on the casing surface, even though they are not evident to the human eye. The addition of honey will probably attract contams more quickly then adding strait substrate. I'm all for experimentation though, so I say shoot for the moon. Just trying to give you a little heads up is all.


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
    #478174 - 12/03/01 12:21 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

it's not possible as long the fruiting will reduce ph of the substrate as it occurs, at a ph i don't remember for sure i think it's near 5, it will stop fruiting, the most similar you can do is spawnig with a layer of shit , a la "3m dung tek", recasing with shit after every flush scrapping off the old layer, i think it's the only way to squeeze more of your colonized grain, he said that he reached 9 good flushes using this tek


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
    #478430 - 12/03/01 05:26 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

If your sticking to 1/2 pint cakes, it's my opinion that you should just fruit them as cakes, use the dunk tek, fruit as cakes, use the dunk tek, fruit as cakes, use the dunk tek, then toss in the trash. If your gonna go for a casing try working with more bulk substrates and quart jars.

The good thing is your really thinking and excited about what you are doing. Keep the thought process going and you'll never get bored with this hobby. If you do go against everyone else's all mighty opinion and find something that works, you are still obligated to share it with all the naysayers, including myself. Peace


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: Fonz]
    #478532 - 12/03/01 07:26 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

im thinkin..a mesh layer between the substrate and the casing. Once the casing has spent its flush, pull up the meshing, along with the casing, and replace. repeat and repeat and repeat until the flushes decrease. this way if u get a contamn in the casing, you can most likely pull it up much before it spreads beyond repair.. i didnt think of this idea on my own..read it somewhere else but i cant find the link!


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
    #478800 - 12/03/01 11:24 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

That is because I sent it to you as a PM. Here it is.

LInk to the boring pattent lingo
http://164.195.100.11/netacgi/nph-Parser?TERM1=4833820&Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=0&f=S&l=50

Link to thread
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum4&Number=89194&fpart=1


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
    #478830 - 12/03/01 11:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

search.. this has been proposed many times before.
no one, to me knowledge, actually followed through.


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DinoMyc]
    #478914 - 12/04/01 01:17 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

wonder if a layer a mesh that could wick water into the substrate/casing layer would promote growth. Something with natural fibers that would wick. yeah. that.


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: upupup]
    #479577 - 12/04/01 03:46 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

a piece of burlap possibly made of hemp??

ya, thats where i got it from! UPUPUP has all the links in his head. thanks man!
peace.. i have soooo many pins!! the cake is coverd 100%! i dont see any spot where another pin could form! its amazing.. the biggest srhoom is like an inch today. looks real nice!


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
    #479687 - 12/04/01 05:45 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Burlap yes! Hemp yes! Gonna try it. Other suggestions?


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: upupup]
    #487224 - 12/11/01 11:50 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I'm trying to follow all this here - but the link to the US patent office really threw me. I can't get their pics to load - so I am stuck with that verbose explanation of what I can assume is really a simple procedure... But this idea of using burlap is intriguing.
So is the theory here to lay the burlap on top of the bottom casing layer, Then put the substrate on top of this... and thirdly, to case this layer??
After the first flush - you pull up the burlap, substrate and all - and put down a new burlap sack - and then substrate again??

No - this wouldnt work - I talked myself in circles.

Can someone hit me over the head with this idea so it's clear to me.

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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: DrJoseph]
    #488867 - 12/12/01 05:46 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

bump


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Re: Forever cake tek!! [Re: Proteus]
    #489020 - 12/12/01 08:05 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Layer 1 - colonized substrate
Layer 2 - burlap/mesh/somethin..
Layer 3 - Casing

proceedure: place mesh on substrate. case, let casing colonize. harvest first flush. pull up mesh and casing, re-mesh, re-case.


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