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Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms?
    #475297 - 11/30/01 08:16 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

thats what kind i got, about to grow shrooms for the 1st time, anyone grow these? hard / easy to grow? come out good? strong? tips?

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: straightbangin]
    #475416 - 11/30/01 09:55 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: ralphster44]
    #475420 - 11/30/01 09:58 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: straightbangin]
    #475479 - 11/30/01 10:46 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

If your speaking of the strain PESA... they suck bad for visuals.


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: Jammer]
    #475489 - 11/30/01 10:58 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

WHAT????? thats the only reason to trip! for visuals!!!! anyone else? what do ya think of these?

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: straightbangin]
    #475494 - 11/30/01 11:06 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

You might want to search for my previous post from a few weeks ago: PESA HAWAIN SUCKS! (spelling error?)

Or copy/paste this:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum1&Number=463560&Forum=All_Forums&Words=Jammer&Match=Username&Searchpage=3&Limit=25&Old=allposts&Main=456164


It's still a dam good body buzz. (' worth keeping)


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: Jammer]
    #475519 - 11/30/01 11:31 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

ralphster44 how were your visuals off these?
oh these werent' hawain, there was PESA and hawiian PESA, so i'm hoping i got the ones that give good visuals.... what is the best kind for visuals? i haven't done any drugs or alcohol in over a year and come my 23rd birthday, my year off of drugs will be up and i want to shroom (TRIP/VISUALS) my ass off, what kind should i order for this?

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: straightbangin]
    #475535 - 11/30/01 11:53 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

For visuals? Psilocybe Cyanescens.

As far as Cubensis goes...in my experience the different strains are not much different from each other, there are some slight differences that I have noticed, but nothing major. Either eat more shrooms or grow on grain. I found that the vermiculite and brown rice method produces far less potent shrooms than, say.. rye. Not to mention rye is easier and faster. Only difference is a pressure cooker.

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: ]
    #475544 - 12/01/01 12:01 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

rye grain? i heard that if i used brown rice, i should grind it in a coffee bean grinder to a powder. do i do this with rye grain too or no?

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: straightbangin]
    #475555 - 12/01/01 12:26 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

No you leave the rye grain whole. I would emphasize that you only use grain if you have a pressure cooker, chances are extremely high you will fail if you do not.
The brown rice powder/vermiculite method is very different, it involves injecting the spores into the jar and letting the mycelium grow.
The advantage of grain is that it can be shaken, distributing the mycelium, cutting colonization time in half. The brown rice cannot be shaken. The big difference being that you MUST pressure cook the grain, the brown rice only needs to be boiled.

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: ]
    #475608 - 12/01/01 01:30 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Ps Cyanescens rock! If you want good visuals from a cubie - grow your pesa on birdseed or rye for better potency!!


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: ]
    #476007 - 12/01/01 11:36 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

My grandfather wondered why I got so excited when is girlfriend brought a new pressure cooker home yesterday.

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: straightbangin]
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    #476088 - 12/01/01 01:02 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: ralphster44]
    #476107 - 12/01/01 01:30 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

What the fuck Ralph? P.E.S.A. are amazonian not hawaiian. Always thought there were two pesa and pesh(hybrid).


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: AssHumper10K]
    #476145 - 12/01/01 02:25 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

How the heck can one type of mushroom be shitty for visuals and another is?
IM to understand that the chemicals in each psychedelic mushroom are the same.. some just have more..

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: Syd_barret]
    #476153 - 12/01/01 02:34 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

P.E.S.A.s rule!

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: puscle]
    #476412 - 12/01/01 07:37 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

i hope so, i'm going to grow on rye grain. if the visuals aren't really kickin' for me, i'll just have to EAT MORE! ;)

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: Syd_barret]
    #476429 - 12/01/01 07:46 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

But the chemicals in each psychedelic mushroom isnt the same. There are diferent amounts of them in the various strains.

I'm not alone with this opinion about PESA's. I wish I was.


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: Jammer]
    #476456 - 12/01/01 08:07 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Different strains with different amounts of chemicals? Well, I don't really think it's in the volume in which any of us can tell.
Now species is a completely different matter. All this talk about different P.C's giving visuals and not giving visuals has no basis for a complete observation, it just seems to be an opinion. And, it makes no sense that you would get a completely different level of chemical production within a species based on the geographical area it grew in, which is what these "strains" are all based on.
My advice, try some. Over experience, you'll find what flys you best. Don't take one persons word for it just because they were the only ones that replyed to this thread. Try, try, try!
I promise that if you take enough, you will experience visuals. I've never heard of a heroic dose being none visual.

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: Grimace]
    #476495 - 12/01/01 08:52 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

heh? PESA arent pes amazonians - and from what ive heard PESA go alright for a cubie...
And as for PC strain having the same chemical make-up etc, well from experience i can say that there seem to be considerable differences in the effects of spore-races - if you dont believe this, grow and eat lotsa B+, GTs, Lipa Yais and Tasmanian Cubensis and you will come to note at high doses substantially different characteristics. All cubies at low doses are similar, but after eating 25 fresh PCs from birdseed you will notice huge differences in these four spore-races.
As for species - the obvious presence or absense of other psychoactive alkaloids such as aeruginascene, baeocystin, nor-baeocystin and trypotpan play a huge role in the variablility of their psychoactive effects.


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #476507 - 12/01/01 09:05 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Yo the man bluemeanie. I totaly agree. You said it better than I could.


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: Jammer]
    #476596 - 12/01/01 10:41 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

CHeers! But how can you not agree - the level and characteristics of cubensis comes down to the isolation of potent / robust fruiting characteristic by vendors - but if PC mushrooms have evolved highly varied fruiting characteristics in terms of visual features, why cant they evolve differing alkaloid/chemical characteristics due to the varied impact of environmental/predatory factors??


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #476906 - 12/02/01 07:15 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

> PESA arent pes amazonians

Then what's the "A" stand for?


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: AssHumper10K]
    #476912 - 12/02/01 07:35 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Never mind. Just got back from Ron Popeils site thehawkseye.com. Here's what he says about the potency.
"And everyone we know that has tried them found them to be extremely potent as well"
Apparently he doesn't know jammer.


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: AssHumper10K]
    #476917 - 12/02/01 07:46 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

P.E.S.A. - Pacifica Exotica Spora, A-strain

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: puscle]
    #477430 - 12/02/01 06:17 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Puscle is the man - i was just gonna use this quote from ryche's site:
>. 'Another company, PF, sells the PES Hawaiin, which is a different strain, and some ppl have the PES Amazonian, this strain is niether of those. If it helps with any of the confusion, just call it PESA.. and the A does not stand for Amazonian. I think it originally stood for Azurescen. '


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #477590 - 12/02/01 08:09 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Thats a good point. However the strain of PESA that I'm speaking of is from Richie Hawk.


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: Jammer]
    #478090 - 12/03/01 06:31 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know about the names, but I have some older cakes that came from an fsr print labeled pes hawaiian. Overall the visuals weren't the best, but we had incredible tracers from these babies, along with a nice body buzz. Not only that, but my pes cakes have fruited all to be damned!! I'm working on 5th flushes from 3 cakes, 4th flushes from 4 others, and I've only tossed 1 cake from the whole batch. Either these things are fabulous fruiters, or I finally figured out what the f*ck I was doing.


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: Jammer]
    #478109 - 12/03/01 07:11 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Jammer, the Hawaiin company that originally produced the P.E.S.A. is now out of business. However, many vendors still offer it.

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: babyshroom]
    #478115 - 12/03/01 07:28 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

You toss your cakes? Trip off them fuckers man!.....
I'm very interested to see if my PESA cakes are substantially different than the Amazonian cakes I used last time. The PESA shrooms kickass.....


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: puscle]
    #478483 - 12/03/01 04:27 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I'm GLAD that there out of business. I once ordered there flyer advertised in High Times... Dam what a mistake!! I remeber seeing prints in there selling for well OVER $100 each!!! I mean, like fuck that. And Pacific Exoctic really knew how to brag up shit too... like there story about the PESA strain.


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: Jammer]
    #478497 - 12/03/01 04:42 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Dude, you're taking this way too serious.

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: puscle]
    #478498 - 12/03/01 04:45 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Your right.

I need a cold shower.


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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: ]
    #478529 - 12/03/01 05:25 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I've been wondering about the effects of substrate and I don't know if I agree. I have grown really powerful cubensis using the MMGG method with brown rice flour and vermiculite, and noted no appreciable difference growing same strain on rye. (That was the "PF" strain from about 5 years ago--one of the strongest I've ever grown.) Recently I tried growing from a spore print a friend gave me, and this particular strain of cubensis seems pretty weak, whether grown on BRF or Rye...but as I'm measuring potency subjectively (i.e., I'm not using chromatography), I cannot be sure.

Is there any published info on the influence of growth media on potency within a single strain--that is NOT subjective? I would be very interested in finding this out. Thanks.

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Re: Anyone know anything about P.C. P.E.S.A. shrooms? [Re: coyolxauqui]
    #478561 - 12/03/01 05:56 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I saw a thread in the advanced mushroom cult. forum about the relative amounts of trypotanine in different substrates and how they effect the levels of psychoactive alkaloids...Try birdseed/dung


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