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 Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul?  [Re: pschumach]
#4756331 - 10/04/05 09:40 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've seen weed bring down the lives of a lot more people than I've ever seen it do any benefit. In fact, I haven't seen any benefit.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: dr0mni]
#4756389 - 10/04/05 09:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cannabis didnt help or harm my path.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: pschumach]
#4756452 - 10/04/05 09:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think weed was a big part of my identity formation when I was in High School. It changed the way I looked at the world. It also made me think differently about drugs, which eventually led to my discovery of psychedelics.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4757581 - 10/05/05 03:18 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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hue:I would like to address your comment that only the weak minded can fall into chronic use.
I think, he ment, that only for the weak minded and immature the chronic use of cannabis holds the said dangers 
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: pschumach]
#4757844 - 10/05/05 07:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think after all my experience, it does cloud the mind and the soul. But many would disagree with me.
It's not what I would call "dangerous" or anything, but I think it has a way of enslaving you into thinking how harmless it is. Enslaving you into basing decisions around it. I also think it dulls your mind incredibly, which is the main reason I'm done with it.
I'm not putting it in my body anymore, that's for sure.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: freddurgan]
#4758103 - 10/05/05 08:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yes, if you have a strong will and mind then it will be much easier to get out of the habit. But it has a way of making you not care whether you get out or not. I knew that I could quit for a long time, I knew that all I would have to do is stop. I wasn't physically addicted, only mentally.
But as you said, weed helped my find my identity during highschool, and the thought of giving it up created as scary feeling of not having a strong identity as I did with weed. What would I do with my spare time? What will I do with my friends who smoke weed? Will I just sit there and not smoke while they do?
Chronic use causes you to make a lot of your decisions with the drug in mind first, and when you try to exert your will and quit, you find that all these decisions you made turn from good decisions (allow you to smoke weed) to bad decisions (can't get away from weed), and it becomes that much harder to quit.
Ending a drug habit doesn't entail just not using the drug, it requires changes in your whole life! Your strong will has to be a lot stronger than you first thought it had to be in a situation like this.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4758109 - 10/05/05 09:00 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I would like to address your comment that only the weak minded can fall into chronic use. This is a falsehood. Anyone can find themself in a substance dependant situation given the proper conditions for that individual are met.
Like, what conditions? Lack of self control? 
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As someone, who is not weak minded or immature, I found myself with a chronic alcohol abuse problem. I used my will and intelligence to overcome the problem.
Actually, it sounds like you were weak minded or immature in certain aspects, the problem arose, which then resulted in the development of strength and maturity in those aspects that initally allowed for a dependency to be created. 
Also, is it true that alcohol addiction can be physical as well? If it is possible that the body itself can become addicted to alcohol, then the problem certainly isn't as simple as one's mental state (well, actually, it still is, as the mind allowed the physical addiction to develop in the first place...  ).
 
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: looner2]
#4758115 - 10/05/05 09:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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looner2 said:
I've seen weed bring down the lives of a lot more people than I've ever seen it do any benefit. In fact, I haven't seen any benefit.
I'd call into question the standards by which you judge the experience of others and whether or not it is a benefit to them. Either that or study more people involved with smoking marijuana.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4758135 - 10/05/05 09:10 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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fireworks_god said:
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Huehuecoyotl said:
I would like to address your comment that only the weak minded can fall into chronic use. This is a falsehood. Anyone can find themself in a substance dependant situation given the proper conditions for that individual are met.
Like, what conditions? Lack of self control?
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As someone, who is not weak minded or immature, I found myself with a chronic alcohol abuse problem. I used my will and intelligence to overcome the problem.
Actually, it sounds like you were weak minded or immature in certain aspects, the problem arose, which then resulted in the development of strength and maturity in those aspects that initally allowed for a dependency to be created.
Also, is it true that alcohol addiction can be physical as well? If it is possible that the body itself can become addicted to alcohol, then the problem certainly isn't as simple as one's mental state (well, actually, it still is, as the mind allowed the physical addiction to develop in the first place... ).
Peace.
some people will make all the excuses they can to deny that their habits are hurting them... I know I did.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: dr0mni]
#4758160 - 10/05/05 09:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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dr0mni said:
Yes, if you have a strong will and mind then it will be much easier to get out of the habit. But it has a way of making you not care whether you get out or not.
Your thoughts might have a way of making you not care whether or not you "get out or not". I place emphasis on my statement that a developed and mature mind will not run faulty thought processes that would be responsible for chronic use of the chronic () in the first place.
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But as you said, weed helped my find my identity during highschool, and the thought of giving it up created as scary feeling of not having a strong identity as I did with weed. What would I do with my spare time? What will I do with my friends who smoke weed? Will I just sit there and not smoke while they do?
This sounds like the testament of a mind that was not fully developed at the time and was still maturing to me. Perhaps the key words are "high school" ( high school  ).
I'm not placing judgement. It is obvious that, from being in such a situation, you have furthered and bettered (is that a word?  ) yourself more than you would if you never had to deal with such issues. I'm simply expressing the view that a conscious, aware person with efficent thought processes can effectively use marijuana and any other drug with maximum yield without ever developing any sort of dependency or need for constant use.
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Ending a drug habit doesn't entail just not using the drug, it requires changes in your whole life!
I wouldn't necessarily say that it requires changing your whole life (how do you do that, anyways?  ), I would state that it requires changing one's thoughts. 
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: dr0mni]
#4758170 - 10/05/05 09:22 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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dr0mni said:
some people will make all the excuses they can to deny that their habits are hurting them... I know I did.
I'm sure you did. Perhaps it is important to realize that your personal experience with something and the way that your own mind operates could be completely different than another person's.
I'm confused as to why you replied with such a comment. Are you implying that I personally am a chronic marijuana user, and that I am making excuses in this thread? I can't really perceive what it is that you are basing that upon, considering that you have no insight into who I am, the decisions I make, the way my mind operates, and what I concern myself with.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4758179 - 10/05/05 09:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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"Like, what conditions? Lack of self control?"
Exactly. Every human is subject to experiencing lack of control at some point or other.
"Actually, it sounds like you were weak minded or immature in certain aspects, the problem arose, which then resulted in the development of strength and maturity in those aspects that initially allowed for a dependency to be created"
To a certain extent yes. It must be said that I was as strong minded and mature as the average human tends to be. Your argument now seems to be that IF one is a SUPER HUMAN who never experiences loss of control or moments of immaturity they can avoid chronic substance abuse. The problem with this is that no human meets this standard. It also must be said that genetic predispositions also come into play. I know of many, many humans who have never been subject to a dependency issue who are weak minded and immature. They simply were not genetically predisposed which reduced (not eliminated) the chance that they would encounter the proper conditions for having this problem. I come from a long line of alcoholics going back as many as 5 generations to my knowledge...so I have a lineage so to speak. People who are predisposed to substance dependency can find a focal point with any physically or psychologically addictive substance. To say that only the weak minded can experience this problem is just a bit naive and deceptive. There are many factors that can determine one's relationship to drugs so to narrow it down to just being weak is deductively invalid. I have noticed, however, that the exercise of the will that is required to drop a substance abuse problem often results in the individual in question becoming more disciplined in other aspects of their life as well. I have seen this many times.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: dr0mni]
#4758244 - 10/05/05 09:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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dr0mni said:
Chronic use causes you to make a lot of your decisions with the drug in mind first, and when you try to exert your will and quit, you find that all these decisions you made turn from good decisions (allow you to smoke weed) to bad decisions
Ending a drug habit doesn't entail just not using the drug, it requires changes in your whole life!
There. I couldn't have said it better if I tried.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4758252 - 10/05/05 09:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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you protest too much!
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: crunchytoast]
#4758430 - 10/05/05 10:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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FWG, you're right. I don't know who you are or what your habits are. I don't even know if you smoke weed at all! But the things you are saying sound exactly like the shit I used to say when I was in denial. That's all I'm trying to say.
And you're right, I wasn't mature enough to handle drugs when I started using them. But let me ask you, how many of us started using drugs AFTER highschool?
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Huehuecoyotl said:
To a certain extent yes. It must be said that I was as strong minded and mature as the average human tends to be. Your argument now seems to be that IF one is a SUPER HUMAN who never experiences loss of control or moments of immaturity they can avoid chronic substance abuse. The problem with this is that no human meets this standard.
we should all remember to humble ourselves and admit that we all make mistakes and error in judgement. I once thought I was above drug addiction, that I was too mature and smart to let it happen to me. But then I found myself in a life completely centered on drugs and nothing else. I still am not sure exactly how it happened...
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: dr0mni]
#4758910 - 10/05/05 12:06 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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This topic is so 2 dimensional.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: pschumach]
#4759177 - 10/05/05 01:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Smoking marijuana before meditation is a great thing. Smoking marijuana too much lowers my attention span by alot.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: Rebirtha]
#4760136 - 10/05/05 05:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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dr0mni said:
But let me ask you, how many of us started using drugs AFTER highschool?
Me.
For me all the motivational/attention paying problems occur when I'm not stoned... this past week has been rather hazy and stupid, my brain is trying to adjust to not having as much THC I guess. But I'm getting better and had a great meditation session today.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: leery11]
#4760162 - 10/05/05 06:08 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Marijuana generally helps me focus and concentrate. It has also allowed me to think things through more thoroughly. Cannabis is good for my soul. But everyone has to find what works for them on their own path.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: demiu5]
#4761328 - 10/05/05 10:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Okay, leery is ONE person... that's still not a majority...
I'm really suprised to hear people say that marijuana helps them concentrate better. Could this be likened to how some people say that they drive better stoned? Or is there really increased concentration?
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