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 Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? 
#4751856 - 10/03/05 10:12 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is cannabis useful as a spiritual aid/tool, or is it a distraction from one's spiritual path?
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: pschumach]
#4751877 - 10/03/05 10:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't know. I'm studying Buddhism and most seem to be vehemently against any drugs, especially cannabis because they say it clouds your mind.
Yes, it clouds your mind... when you aren't on it. I've used it to get to what I consider zazen before... but can I get there without it? Can I even focus or feel like doing anything without it? not really.
Also, my aura kind of looks hideous.... a dark yellow.
I think it's both a hinderance and a tool. It shows you where you need to go, but if you use it recreationally any direction it gave you is lost.
I'm real confused on the subject at hand right now.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: pschumach]
#4751883 - 10/03/05 10:15 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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pot did nothing but distract me from my spiritual path, along with everything else that I needed to get done in my life.
But I do say, a joint or two can turn the social atmosphere into heaven on the cherished day-off!
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: dr0mni]
#4751892 - 10/03/05 10:17 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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amen to that
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: pschumach]
#4751949 - 10/03/05 10:25 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think having used it opens alot of doors and shows you how small normal awareness is, but after a while there isn't much new to learn. It can be fun, but it can also make you an escapist, living in a fantasy land and make you feel cloudy. Moderation is key. Pot makes me feel like nothing matters and in the long run that isn't too helpfull but it's nice to get turned on once in a while just so you know it's all still there.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: Divided_Sky]
#4751994 - 10/03/05 10:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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When I smoke, I find it incredibly hard to meditate even for a day or two afterwards because my attention and focus is so short and fleeting. Can't focus on fucking anything...
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: pschumach]
#4752009 - 10/03/05 10:33 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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neither although id say overall it probably does more bad than good. you see it totally depends on your level of spiritual development and the situation in which you use it and how you make use of the insights. marijuana is what initually opened my mind to altered and heightened states of awareness and spurred my interest in transformation of consciousness and spirituality as well as expanding my tastes in art and music, so i dont think it's always bad. on the other hand i heavily abused it and as a result it did me much harm and i'm still suffering the consequences. while i was abusing it it certainly took away from my spiritual growth and anyone who is serious about spiritual growth should already be beyond the point where they need the aid provided by cannabis.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: porcupine]
#4752198 - 10/03/05 11:05 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Weed is the apple from the tree of knowledge.
Mushrooms: same deal.
That aside, I think weed is "good for the soul" when you actually use it for what its good for and known for. That is: as a physical relaxant, or to boost creativity.
Weed's not something that should be used "to get high" simply for the sake of it, but rather a tool that should be used to accomplish a greater end.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: dr0mni]
#4752285 - 10/03/05 11:23 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
dr0mni said:
When I smoke, I find it incredibly hard to meditate even for a day or two afterwards because my attention and focus is so short and fleeting. Can't focus on fucking anything...
Funny, my opinion is the exact inverse. Unless its some heady nugs, I only like smoking very little amounts socially, anthing past that just makes me sit around and stare at my shoes.
However, I love packing a hitter before I meditate. It seems it numbs my mind of a lot of unnecessary thought that gets me from being concentrated on meditation. I've had some intense meditation sessions with the aid of grass.
It's a tool, you can use it in a negative or positive aspect.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: pschumach]
#4752461 - 10/03/05 11:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have smoked weed 23 of my 38 years and thru most experiences with spiritual things. I can say, as with many things, if what you are doing is not the focus then things seem fuzzy. The point is drugs, can bring the mind to new places but at what cost ? If what you seek is truth then drugs can not offer truth. Drugs can offer the truth of drugs.......Altered states. Truth is not an altered state of mind. Truth is truth and if one is to know things and find things. Drugs can only take you so far. As far as weed can go, straight to the lungs in thick black tar and residues.
Yes I agree that weed for the young mind can be very powerful. When a person has nothing to compare new states of mind and deeper levels of thought. The experience of weed can be very seductive. Especially when seeking the higher planes of spirituality. But one will find with trial and error that drugs are false and for recreation only. The truth in the unseen and unknown can only be found in the unseen and the unknown.
Truth is not found in the things around you but from the things within you.
Is weed good or bad ?
Nether my friend. Weed is weed and you are you.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: pschumach]
#4752723 - 10/04/05 12:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would say it all depends on the person. While reading about "The Land of Keif" I discovered many mystics of various religious and cultural backgrounds used marijuana. For what precise reason though, I am uncertain. It is an interesting topic, that being marijuana and spirituality. There is also the relation between marijuana and Rasta, on top of Keif.
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 Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: pschumach]
#4753660 - 10/04/05 10:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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What ever, you make of it.. 
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: Fospher]
#4754778 - 10/04/05 02:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Fospher said:
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dr0mni said:
When I smoke, I find it incredibly hard to meditate even for a day or two afterwards because my attention and focus is so short and fleeting. Can't focus on fucking anything...
Funny, my opinion is the exact inverse. Unless its some heady nugs, I only like smoking very little amounts socially, anthing past that just makes me sit around and stare at my shoes.
However, I love packing a hitter before I meditate. It seems it numbs my mind of a lot of unnecessary thought that gets me from being concentrated on meditation. I've had some intense meditation sessions with the aid of grass.
It's a tool, you can use it in a negative or positive aspect.
no doubt weed used properly can help you "meditate" but that's just the problem, isn't it? What happens when you try to meditate sober the next day, or the next week?
My mind is flustered and unmotivated and it's been 4 days since last consuming, and all I realy think about all day long is various drugs.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: leery11]
#4754838 - 10/04/05 02:42 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I used to enjoy using weed, but lately it seems to make me un-motivated and groggy. My roomate is a HUGE user, and he's so out of it it's not even funny...
I think weed is bad for MY soul, but for others it could be what they need.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: bkmb128]
#4755121 - 10/04/05 04:09 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Cannabis is a harmless diversion until it's use becomes chronic. Then it is poison for the brain.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4755405 - 10/04/05 05:37 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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that was exactly my problem, I couldn't help BUT be a chronic user! I'd try and refrain, only smoking it on the weekends, but it always crept back into my free time after school, then before school. I was still getting A's and B's, but like always. But i wasted so much time not caring because I was just too high to care about the things that were really important.
it's so easy to use weed chronically. And that's where the only real danger of marijuana lies...
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: dr0mni]
#4755497 - 10/04/05 06:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
dr0mni said:
it's so easy to use weed chronically. And that's where the only real danger of marijuana lies...
For the weak-minded and immature, this is true. 
 
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4755813 - 10/04/05 07:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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To deny that the chronic use of any drug is harmful is self deceptive. It should be noted that I am not condemning drug use, but CHRONIC drug use cannot be part of a healthy lifestyle no matter what the drug. I would tell you the same thing about caffeine, but the potential for permanent harm is slightly less. Recreational and spiritual drug use can be integrated into a healthy lifestyle if reason and moderation are observed. There are, however, many drugs whose use is dangerous no matter the frequency. In this catagory are methamphetamine, crack, heroin, etc...
I would like to address your comment that only the weak minded can fall into chronic use. This is a falsehood. Anyone can find themself in a substance dependant situation given the proper conditions for that individual are met. As someone, who is not weak minded or immature, I found myself with a chronic alcohol abuse problem. I used my will and intelligence to overcome the problem. It can happen to anyone...especially the people who indulge in their own importance and pride. I thought, at one time, that only a fool could develop such a problem...and fool I was.
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Edited by Huehuecoyotl (10/04/05 07:34 PM)
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4756052 - 10/04/05 08:41 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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yes, the lie that only a weak minded or immature person can fall into a pattern of drug abuse and dependence is one of the biggest lies used to promote drug use.
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Re: Cannabis - good or bad for the soul? [Re: Deviate]
#4756165 - 10/04/05 09:14 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Deviate said:
yes, the lie that only a weak minded or immature person can fall into a pattern of drug abuse and dependence is one of the biggest lies used to promote drug use.
Sure, but the strong-willed and mature can get out of that pattern much more easily.
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