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POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance
    #475043 - 11/30/01 04:21 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)





Don Rumsfeld's Job Performance
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Mklangelo]
    #475267 - 11/30/01 07:54 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

Henry Kissinger said of him "He is the most ruthless man I have met"


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
    #475288 - 11/30/01 08:10 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

At this time, in this situation, He is the man for the job. Like it or not, in war times or other times when the will of this nation has been tested, we somehow have the right men in positions of power. Even the most "justified" war is an attrocity. This is clear to the most casual observer...
We are dealing with not a nation, or a group. We are fighting an IDEA. It's a real stickey wicket when you start to bomb an idea... And the people who share this idea, for whatever reason, cannot justify the actions they have taken. A CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER has presented itself to this nation.
And I feel in my heart of hearts that we have a team in Washington that one would be VERY hard pressed to improve upon, considering the challange we face. If you cannot get behind this team, I wonder which one you would feel is better suited to the task at hand...

Shall we try to open a dialougue with them? Please trust that if bin Laden and/or his ilk could press a button and murder each Man, Woman and Child in the U.S. They would do it, walk away, and call it a good days work.


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Mklangelo]
    #475304 - 11/30/01 08:20 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

The true test will be what happens after Afghanistan. Will he take the war to Iraq? That would be a true blow for international peace and stability.


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
    #475317 - 11/30/01 08:31 PM (22 years, 4 months ago)

No. We should not do that. We really need to have conclusive proof in that matter, and I feel The President spoke too harshly and his manner was much to blustery when he said "He'll find out" when asked about Sadam's possible continued refusal to re-admit Weapons Inspectors back into his country. And I also feel that the U.S. should have been forthcomming in presenting conclusive evidence PRIOR to our initiation of hostilities in Afghanistan... As it turns out, bin Laden has, in so many words, taken responsibility for 9/11.

In short, I feel that an attack on Iraq is not justified at this time since the U.N. has began work on what is calls, "Smart Sanctions" These will supposedly lessen the hardships on the peacloving people of Iraq, whom we have no gripe with. While still keeping pressure in the illegitimate regime of Hussein...


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Mklangelo]
    #476034 - 12/01/01 12:04 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

The US presented evidence to her allies. Iraq has been making biological and chemical weapons for a long time now. It's a known fact. I hope we do go after him.

I am also pretty sure that it isn't the sanctions that are starving the citizens of Iraq. It is instead Houssaine. The US makes a good scapegoat, as she always does for corrupt and inefficent governments alike. The fact is that if Houssaine was as interested in feeding his citizens as he was with developing weapons of mass destruction, the people would be fed.

As far as Rumsfield goes, I like him alot. He has a level head and knows exactly how to conduct a war. I would like to see some results but I know that these things take time. I like the way that he deals with the press, very bluntly, using non-euphamistic language.


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #476580 - 12/01/01 10:22 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Rumsfeld is pure fucking evil

Hussein is no saint, but what is there to invade in Iraq? The nation is so devastated from 10 years of sanctions, they have no food, money, medicine, Hussein is stronger than ever. If the US attacks Iraq, it will simply be for the sake of finally fully controlling the oil reserves under its soil. US government has never cared about saddams weapons programs, these have always been excuses to continue the sanctions, kill iraqis, and impose UN weapons inspectors - who in reality acted as spies helping to guide US smartbombs against civilian targets.

Rumsfeld is an evil proliferator of war and death. Did you know he owns millions of dollars of stock in companies which build and supply the military with weapons? Where do his interest lie? the man has no other wish in life than conducting bloody wars, he is a tyrant like his leader George W. The US would do itself a good if they arrested their leaders and tried them on corruption, war crimes, and crimes against humanity.

Just to remind everyone, the US supported Hussein, we sold him all his weapons, nearly half of his NCB weapons capabilities have come directly from the US, the other half Russia. To look at the whole picture is truely damning.

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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Lenore]
    #476633 - 12/01/01 11:23 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Here we see the only non-Arabic-speaking person in the world who has been successfuly brainwashed by Al Jazeera.

Weapons inspectors are really spies? Really? I guess they defected to you.

The US doesn't care that its #2 enemy is creating biological weapons, even though he has been known to use them? Really? Maybe you should be our Secretary of Defence.

What is there to gain in Iraq, well let's see. How about Houssaine's head. I like how Rumsfield is pure fucking evil, and Houssaine is "no saint".

Yeah we sold Houssaine weapons. It was a mistake. In ten years, when whatever government has control of Afghanistan is still starving the Afghan people, we'll get all the blame for that too.

The fact that for the most part, Muslim countries can't govern themselves. This fact is overshadowed by the sometimes clumsy hand of the United States. We make a good scapegoat as the only nation willing to pay for the oil we consume with the required military presence.

You should be thanking us since only 10 percent of US oil comes from the Middle East as opposed to 30 percent of Europe's.

But I know you'd rather pick on the easy scapegoat.

Oh no, Rumsfield likes war...we wouldn't want someone who likes war to run a war for us. He might enjoy it too much.


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Lenore]
    #476879 - 12/02/01 05:18 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I'll have to go along with Sr. Doobie. If Hussien was HALF as interested in feeding his people as he was with DROPPING NERVE GAS on them, and collection of mass destruction weapons, his people would all have to call Richard Simmons. Wake up my friend. And in view of current events, just who the heck would you want in the job of Secretary of Defense, Les Aspen!!! HA HA HA! You Left Wing Fanatics make me want to laugh till I puke...


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Lenore]
    #476881 - 12/02/01 05:23 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I'll quote the man himself, "We have to take the world as we find it." THAT IS SOMETHING THE LEFT HAS OFTEN BEEN RELUCTANT TO DO. The take the world as they wish it to be. There is a major difference. Move to Iraq for a few months and talk again about how the evil U.S. is killing Iraqi citizens. Jeez... Pull you head out of your ass...


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Mklangelo]
    #476936 - 12/02/01 08:50 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

And what's the big deal about him owning stock in military contractors? That's just smart investing. Any company employed by the United States government stands to make alot of money. If anything this shows him to be a strategic mastermind.

Owning stock in government contracters = pure fuckin evil

Starving your own citizens = no saint

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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Mklangelo]
    #476953 - 12/02/01 09:45 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

It will be fine with me if we do to Saddam what we have done to the Talaban and then, hopefully, on to Cuba.

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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: cyclone]
    #477067 - 12/02/01 12:07 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

He is now attempting to use Saddams refusal to allow weapons inspector in as an excuse to launch attacks, the US adminsitration has certainly been playing down any connection between Iraq and al-quieda. Er.. would the US allow UN or Iraqi weapons inspectosr into it's most top secret military facilities? The US pulled out of the international bioweapons treaty and hold chemical and bioweapons stocks themselves. An attack on Iraq would be completely unjustified and would be disasterous for future world peace and security. Would the US attack Iraq just because Saddam is bad to his people? No. plainly not. That is just used as an excuse wherever it is convenient. The only time the US tried to do that was in Somalia and they wont be trying it again in a hurry.


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
    #477210 - 12/02/01 02:39 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Er..

The US doesn't make biological weapons so er..it's a moot point.

The US has learned the detroments of weapons of mass destruction and so err they're trying to eliminate the possibility of them because of err the Cuban Missile Crisis, air raid drills, and the general fear and panic brought on by er..the Cold War.

The US going after Iraq would be a mistake because of the future of world peace huh? Who does the US have to worry about attacking them? Oh yeah, er, the very nations we are at war with. Other than that, the only concern is China. At least you can be diplomatic with the Chinese unlike the er..Iraqis who er starve their own citizens.

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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
    #477252 - 12/02/01 03:08 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

"Would the U.S. allow U.N. weapon inspectors into it's facilities." What a strange question... Is the U.S. a mass murderer of it's own people? Is the U.S. an invader of a peacful, neighboring country? Is the U.S. a sponsor/safe-haven of terrorists? Do we IN ANYWAY HAVE ANYTHING IN COMMON WITH THIS MURDERING THUG SADDAM HUSSIEN??? Wow, you are completely clueless on this one....


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #477262 - 12/02/01 03:15 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Huh? Saddam would say he doesnt make biological weapons so it's a moot point. But of course, we have to believe the US government when they say they have none, but Iraq requires inspectors. Only when the US is prepared to allow Iraqi or UN inspectors into all of its military installations can the US ask the same thing from Iraq. The US are basically saying "We will not accept inspectors, but if you dont, we will invade you."

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The US going after Iraq would be a mistake because of the future of world peace huh? Who does the US have to worry about attacking them? Oh yeah, er, the very nations we are at war with. Other than that, the only concern is China. At least you can be diplomatic with the Chinese unlike the er..Iraqis who er starve their own citizens.




huh? World peace and stability isnt about eliminating those who might pose a threat to the United States.



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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
    #477264 - 12/02/01 03:19 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

We DO HAVE THESE TYPE OF WEAPONS! Newsflash. We don't deny it. It is a matter of common knowledge, jeez...

The only reason Hussien has to deal with these demands is because of the well-documented, commonly accepted as fact reasons I stated in my previous post. For Christ's sake, how can any sane person BEGIN to equate the United States with Iraq??? Jeez....... I mean ER...


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
    #477266 - 12/02/01 03:21 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

And by the way, How the hell does the fact that Saddam Hussien's denial of possession of these types of weapons make the point moot?? Break that one down for me like I'm 6 years old...


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Mklangelo]
    #477279 - 12/02/01 03:30 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

"huh? World peace and stability isnt about eliminating those who might pose a threat to the United States"

Actually, as the only military authority in the Western world...that's exactly what world peace and stability are about. If we don't stop them, who will?

OH yeah, that's right....Er..nobody

Intelligence, something they were giving out while you were on line for sympathy with savages, has told us that the Iraquis are developing biological weapons.








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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #477299 - 12/02/01 03:50 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)



Should the US take military action againsta Iraq if they refuse to allow UN weapons inspectors in and there is reason to beleive they are producing weapons of mass destruction?
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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
    #477408 - 12/02/01 06:02 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Your poll question is so loaded it is impossible to answer in a way that will not support your flawed premise.


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
    #478351 - 12/03/01 01:34 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Weapons inspectors were part of the surrender agreements Saddam agreed to. Therefore whatever his stance is on the issue is....to coin a smart man...ER pointless. You seem to forget that Saddam agreed to many issues like the no fly zones and weapons inspectors in order for us to stop kicking the fuck out of him....his and your points are ER moot

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    #478372 - 12/03/01 02:10 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Rumsfield was on "Meet the Press" this weekend.

One of the reporters asked him if he would consider gassing the Talitan out of the caves and he said something like "Well the Northern Alliance had a lot of success after the prison uprising by flooding those out who wouldn't surrender. So that's always a good option. If they don't surrender, they've made their choice."

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    #478379 - 12/03/01 02:16 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

And by the way mm,

in order to destabilize somthing it has to be stable in the first place, which the Middle East hasn't been...ever.


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    #478481 - 12/03/01 04:23 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

So why exactly is it right for the US to have weapons of mass destruction, and deny accesss to UN inspectors, while Iraq is not allowed to posses them, and must open up all it's military installations to the world? As a neutral observer, I see both as an equal threat. However the strongest of the two is using it's power to refuse what it is imposing on the weaker. If Rumsfeld attacks Iraq again, it will increase the chance that both sides will use these weapons, and so is to be avoided.


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
    #478543 - 12/03/01 05:35 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

You want me to rationalize it?
I will.

We won a war. By winning the war we showed that we are the dominant culture. Our culture can now impose its will on the weaker culture. Call it survival of the fittest. The US will not use a weapon of mass destruction unless one is used against us, no matter what it says in "The Guardian." That paper is so obviously skewed that anyone who reads it cares not about the other side of the situation.


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #478615 - 12/03/01 06:49 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

OK so the US is an imperialist state striving for global domination. That is why the rest of the world has a problem with you. The Guardian does not say that the US will use weapons of mass destruction in anything other than retaliation, but hey, you probably havent even read it.



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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
    #478731 - 12/03/01 08:31 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

wow!
obviously none of you know shit about Iraq, or your own fucking governments for that matter.
Saddam did and probably does have NBC weapons. He certainly did use them on his own people, they are the Kurds. The USA supplied Saddam with these biological and chemical weapons in the mid 1980's. The source was a company in Maryland called American Type Culture. They provided him with nasties like Anthrax. In fact the US provided most of the Iraqi militaries arms while it was at war with Iran, and then our president went behind our own backs and sold arms to Iran, a nation that sponsors terrorism! remember? So tell me how much you love your despotic warlords, I say fuck you.

in responce to the ignorant comment of "Iraqis (saddam) who er starve their own citizens." If you know how the UN sanctions regime works you would realized Hussein doesn't starve anyone. In fact prior to the sanctions his nation was on par with the US in terms of public health, and education. Yes he is a ruthless dictator, but he is of the same breed as men like Heir Rumsfeld. One need only look at our support of him when he was OUR ruthless dictator.
Why are Iraqis starving? because the US has decided that to punish Iraq we will impose an inaffective, genocidal, retaliatory embargo upon the people of Iraq.

Hopefully the US will invade Iraq, and find the rest of the world has turned against its imperial foolishness.

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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Lenore]
    #479200 - 12/04/01 07:55 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

****If you know how the UN sanctions regime works you would realized Hussein doesn't starve anyone****

If ignorance is bliss you must be euphoric....

****In fact prior to the sanctions his nation was on par with the US in terms of public health****

Bullshit...i've been there and this couldn't be further from the truth. Iraq was a scummy country when i arrived in 1990 and will always be under Saddam.

****Yes he is a ruthless dictator, but he is of the same breed as men like Heir Rumsfeld****

Would you care to explain what the fuck you are talking about?

****Why are Iraqis starving? because the US has decided that to punish Iraq we will impose an inaffective, genocidal, retaliatory embargo upon the people of Iraq. *****

So it's the US's fault huh?...and not that "ruthless" dictator who runs the country?


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    #479291 - 12/04/01 10:11 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

If someone could give me a clear idea as to what the sanctions are, I'd appreciate it because I can't find anything about them online.

A company in Maryland supplied Iraq with biological weapons? I find this really hard to believe and I'd like to see some kind of proof of that.

Everybody knows about Iran-Contra. It's no secret. And it was definately a mistake to try to capitalize on the warlike tendencies of the Middle East.
mm,

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    #479461 - 12/04/01 12:14 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

from http://seattlep-i.nwsource.com/national/46116_germ3.shtml
A scientific supply company then located in the Maryland suburbs of Washington, the American Type Culture Collection, housed the world's largest collection of germ strains, including particularly virulent variants of anthrax and botulinum discovered in the mid-1950s as part of the American germ warfare program. Overseas customers were required to obtain a license from the Commerce Department to export the most virulent strains, but in 1988 this was largely a formality. Applications, from Iraq or anywhere else, were seldom denied.

Two years earlier, in May 1986, the company had sold an assortment of germs to the University of Baghdad, including three different types of anthrax, five variants of botulinum and three kinds of brucella, which causes an animal disease, brucellosis, that is incapacitating but rarely fatal. Further orders were planned.

Belatedly, the intelligence report on Iraq prompted U.S. officials to prohibit the transfer of more germs to Baghdad. On Feb. 23, 1989, the Commerce Department banned sales of anthrax and dozens of other pathogens to not only Iraq but Iran, Libya and Syria, which were also suspected of trying to develop germ weapons. The ban, said the announcement, grew out of "heightened concern" about the biological threat.

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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
    #479479 - 12/04/01 12:28 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I looked at that link and couldn't find exactly what is banned in Iraq.

As far as the Anthrax thing goes, that's a long way off from the inference that the sale of Anthrax was part of Iran contra. It was a private deal, and when the government found out about it, it was stopped. There are legitimate reasons for selling germs. Research for cures or treatment being the major one.


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    #479811 - 12/04/01 06:08 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Senor Doobie, et al - ya'll are quite ignorant of your government's actions.

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    #479820 - 12/04/01 06:16 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright in a May 12, 1996 interview with CBS's Lesley Stahl concerning the deaths of children, etc. from starvation/treatable diseases in sanctioned Iraqi:

Stahl: We've heard that a half million children have died.

Albright: We think the price is worth it.


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    #480067 - 12/04/01 09:15 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

So no one knows what these sanctions are?


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    #480384 - 12/05/01 04:12 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Are you a Brit? Even though my Mother is from Liverpool, I'll find some shit and throw it in your face. It won't have a damn thing to do with the post. It won't have a damn thing to do with the "conversation". Just what the fuck are we doing here???
Playing "God's Holy Nation"? What is your point?? Are you all that fucking jealous of the U.S.A.? If you don't live here, and you think we embody all that is evil in this world, THEN WHAT THE FUCK YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT BITCH??? IF THAT IS WHAT YOU THINK YOU NEED TO BE RE-EDUCATED. OPEN A FUCKING BOOK, A BLOODY HISTORY BOOK INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO BLEEDING, LIBERAL, JEALOUS ASS, ONE-TRACK MINDED FRIENDS.

I'm gonna dig some dirt that aint got nothin' to do with ANY FUCKING THREAD. I assume your a Brit. If not tell me what holy-land your sanctimonious ass lives in. I got some DIRT for your left-wing, holier than thou, I got the market cornered on right-thinking and right-acting, my shit don't fucking stink, I can take care of you better than you can take care or yourself after I TAX the LIVING shit out out of your ass!!!!!!!!!!

give it to me asshole... YOU WANNA PICTCH SHIT?? BRING WHAT EVER THE FUCK YOU GOT ASSHOLE!!!!


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    #480448 - 12/05/01 06:15 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

****Senor Doobie, et al - ya'll are quite ignorant of your government's actions. ****

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    #480454 - 12/05/01 06:31 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Yes I live in the UK, in many ways it is just as bad as the US. The fact you think people like me are jealous of the US or it's way of life shows your abject ignorance of the reality of world affairs. As does acting like a 5-year old when someone questions the integrity of your mighty nation


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Innvertigo]
    #480956 - 12/05/01 04:40 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Mklangelo, Invertigo, & Doobie---I dont know what upsets these people more. That Bush is doing such a good job or that conservitives like us do shrooms.

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    #481667 - 12/06/01 05:48 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not a conservative, i'm a Libertarian...but i see your point....i smoke bud too...that REALLY kills em.


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    #481996 - 12/06/01 01:46 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

whatever things you wish to put in your own body is your own business, i could care less.

but your all blind followers of a govt. you don't control that acts out in rage and ignorance killing hundreds of thousands worldwide every year.

How can you be in support of any war, war is not like wine, there are no "good" years. War is like cyanide, one drop and your dead.

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    #482090 - 12/06/01 02:48 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

****How can you be in support of any war, war is not like wine, there are no "good" years. War is like cyanide, one drop and your dead. ****

Your analogy was very bad....

Passivism is like cyanide...both make you dead

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    #482209 - 12/06/01 04:33 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

it was a quote, i would not expect anyone with a giant gatlin gun for a graphic sig to recognize it however.

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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Lenore]
    #482254 - 12/06/01 05:42 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

No good wars? I think W W 2 was a pretty good war, but dont take my American view on it. Lets ask the people in Poland and France and Belgium and Russia and England and Austria and Romania and Finland and Italy and Lithuania and Ireland and China and the Phillipines and Egypt and Isreal if this was a bad war.

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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: cyclone]
    #482371 - 12/06/01 07:51 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I would say it was a pretty bad war, many millions of people died. If the rest of Europe had got it's act together sooner, or the post WW1 situation had been handled better, then it would have been unnecessary.


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: Lenore]
    #482395 - 12/06/01 08:05 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

***, i would not expect anyone with a giant gatlin gun for a graphic sig to recognize it however***

Yeah i know..because it really matters what people have as their graphic because thats the scale we measure intelligence...BTW since you have no graphic does that make you empty-headed?...or just a dipshit?

If it was a quote then where is the "quotes" smart guy?..hmmmmmmm maybe there is something to your graphic theory.


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Re: POLL: Rumsfeld's job performance [Re: mm.]
    #482406 - 12/06/01 08:10 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

****I would say it was a pretty bad war, many millions of people died****

How many more people would have died if them countries...ahem..including Jolly 'ol England if they took the cowards way out and became pacifists?

****If the rest of Europe had got it's act together sooner, or the post WW1 situation had been handled better****

So are you saying that WW1 was ok then?..but not WW2? You failed to see the previous example, ask them country's that were steam-rolled by Germany if the fight was worth fighting for..that is the example of a "good" war..or should i say the "good fight"?

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    #484223 - 12/08/01 04:08 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Amen bro...


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    #484227 - 12/08/01 04:12 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the backup my man... I get so tired....


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    #484396 - 12/08/01 07:19 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

wow!
actually that graphic theory you so smoothly acredited to me does stand to make a good point.
You are a gatlin gun, you are violent, obsessed with your virility, and small penis size. Your debate style is rapid fire, angry, and you waste a lot of bullets. more of a Fruedian approach perhaps, but oh well.


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    #484427 - 12/08/01 08:01 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Oh so sorry, I'm not the gattling gun, I'm the blue bubbly guy...

Please pay attention.


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    #484654 - 12/09/01 12:00 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

****you are violent****

When needed to be

****obsessed with your virility****

no...you are with mine

****and small penis size****

You must be obsessed with my penis..are you gay?

****Your debate style is rapid fire****

but factual...unlike you

****angry****

I'm pretty happy actually...i have good reason to be..don't drag me down into your private hell.

****and you waste a lot of bullets****

Ya lost me on this one

****more of a Fruedian approach perhaps, but oh well. ****

eh..okay....are you still obsessed with my penis?

Listen the topic of this thread is rumsfeld if you want to contribute, feel free, if not go away

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    #484657 - 12/09/01 12:02 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

****I'm the blue bubbly guy... ****

Blue is evil :smile:


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    #484899 - 12/09/01 09:37 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

ok it looks like Rumsfeld might be taking the war to Somalia next. The country has no central government to speak of, and is home to many waring tribal factions. According to the Pentagon, a faction of Islamic militants has links to Bin Laden, and US planes have run spotting missions to identify possible bombing targets. Also the US navy is massing off the coast.


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    #485059 - 12/09/01 01:06 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

well, there's not going to be much to target considering Somalia is much like Afghanistan, rubble...
I don't see the US embarking on a military campaign here, more likely there will be small special ops missions, and single bombing sorties, punctuated by several days of silence.
Whats there to go after?
Are there still Al Queda camps in the country?

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    #485239 - 12/09/01 04:49 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

****Are there still Al Queda camps in the country? ****

Al Queda was only one of many objectives....but your right about one thing, there will be small special ops going on where we will never really know what's going on. I thinks it's better that way.


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