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columbine ..bush HS??...
    #4748725 - 10/03/05 12:04 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

http://www.alternet.org/story/24801/

is it just me..or does anyone else see a bastion of neoconservatism here??...if every HS in amerikkka was like that back then..its no wonder that naziism and fascism are so popular now...needless to say..applying this model to the whole country..indeed the whole world..has done nothing to stop future eric harrises and dylan klebolds...pushing aside (very plausible) LIHOP/conspiracy theories..mohammed atta&co are good examples.. neither were the columbine victims any more innocent than the "little eichmanns" of 9/11...


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4748748 - 10/03/05 12:14 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

I knew all along it had something to do with the way they were treated at school. It didn't surprise me at all. I knew all too well what it was like to be one of the "untouchables" at school, and if I had gotten it as bad as they did, who knows? It may have been me all over the news. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the teenage years are particularly difficult, especially if you're a social outcast like they were.


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4748838 - 10/03/05 12:47 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

You mean our school systems aren't only failing, they're producing homicidal hormone-filled pubescent teens?! Holy #2 pencil, Batman!


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: DNKYD]
    #4749034 - 10/03/05 01:50 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

i cant say it never crossed my mind when i was in middle school. and i dont mean just once.


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: kotik]
    #4749529 - 10/03/05 03:59 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

I agree with the statements of the article however,

the same situation exists in nearly every high school in the country. Not everyone decides to shoot up their school


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: kotik]
    #4749602 - 10/03/05 04:14 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

I completely agree with that article. This shit always happens in black schools. If you talk shit, PREPARE TO HAVE YOUR ASS CAPPED AFTER CLASS. But this kinda shit never happened at white schools, fucking morons. '

The point is: fuck with me, get your ass filled with lead, period.


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: downforpot]
    #4750281 - 10/03/05 06:31 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: badchad]
    #4750319 - 10/03/05 06:38 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

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badchad said:
I agree with the statements of the article however,

the same situation exists in nearly every high school in the country. Not everyone decides to shoot up their school



It exists in varying degrees. I was a social outcast in High School(at least the first couple years), but I was never beat up or had things thrown at me. Some High Schools are worse than others in this regard, and I'd imagine that High Schools in more conservative areas would have a lower threshold for social deviance.


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4750517 - 10/03/05 07:21 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Annapurna1 said:
http://www.alternet.org/story/24801/

is it just me..or does anyone else see a bastion of neoconservatism here??...if every HS in amerikkka was like that back then..its no wonder that naziism and fascism are so popular now...needless to say..applying this model to the whole country..indeed the whole world..has done nothing to stop future eric harrises and dylan klebolds...pushing aside  (very plausible) LIHOP/conspiracy theories..mohammed atta&co are good examples.. neither were the columbine victims any more innocent than the "little eichmanns" of 9/11...




So what you're hinting at here is that everyone who doesn't prescribe to your particular political ideology is a "little eichmann" and worthy of death? If so, then just...




wow.... :shake:


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4750529 - 10/03/05 07:25 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

There is a serious problem in America with the cult of the athlete. It isn't cool to be smart (you would think that would be good in school) or different and anyone who can help win a few football games will get away with murder. I played football in HS and I could do damn near anything I wanted. I skipped classes, left the school for hours at a time, showed up to class high and drunk, and even almost got in a fist fight with the principal. The worst I ever got was detention. I didn't bully anyone and I even defended the "losers", but I knew people who did and they got away with it. The high schools in America have some messed up priorities.


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4750635 - 10/03/05 07:49 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

I think it was more the festering, uncontrolled hatred that caused them to do it. You know, the same stuff that causes you to write things like this

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neither were the columbine victims any more innocent than the "little eichmanns" of 9/11...




Justifying the death of highschool kids simply for doing what kids have always done? Thats pretty sick man.

Im jewish and kids used to say the same kinda shit to me but I knew that most of them weren't serious and some do it just to look cool. It just never bothered me. Maybe we should teach kids how to deal with anger issues in a better way?


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4750729 - 10/03/05 08:08 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

Annapurna1 said:
http://www.alternet.org/story/24801/

is it just me..or does anyone else see a bastion of neoconservatism here??...if every HS in amerikkka was like that back then..its no wonder that naziism and fascism are so popular now...needless to say..applying this model to the whole country..indeed the whole world..has done nothing to stop future eric harrises and dylan klebolds...pushing aside (very plausible) LIHOP/conspiracy theories..mohammed atta&co are good examples.. neither were the columbine victims any more innocent than the "little eichmanns" of 9/11...




I think the real thing that creates 'neo'-conservatives is going to college and being surrounded by hordes of brainless trendy left wing fanatics.


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4750752 - 10/03/05 08:14 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

But in reference to Columbine I think there is a flaw in the logic that pressumes that somebody else was ultimately to blame for kids shooting up their school. The problem is teenagers, kids are cruel and the victims at that age aren't emotionally mature enough to handle it. You can't make a policy that forces high school kids or the grown up high school kids that make up most of the work force to be considerate human beings. People just suck and culture will always sway with the majority of insensitive and hard headed people.


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: Le_Canard]
    #4751420 - 10/03/05 10:24 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

Quote:

ToiletDuk said:
Quote:

Annapurna1 said:
http://www.alternet.org/story/24801/

is it just me..or does anyone else see a bastion of neoconservatism here??...if every HS in amerikkka was like that back then..its no wonder that naziism and fascism are so popular now...needless to say..applying this model to the whole country..indeed the whole world..has done nothing to stop future eric harrises and dylan klebolds...pushing aside  (very plausible) LIHOP/conspiracy theories..mohammed atta&co are good examples.. neither were the columbine victims any more innocent than the "little eichmanns" of 9/11...




So what you're hinting at here is that everyone who doesn't prescribe to your particular political ideology is a "little eichmann" and worthy of death? If so, then just...




wow.... :shake:




i didnt say that they were necessarily worthy of death..merely that their role in their fate cannot be dismissed..and thats true even if one chooses to argue that the columbine bowlers and their adult counterparts werent "little eichmanns" as such...however..given the documented anti-semitism at columbine..that name might not be at all inappropriate...


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: Catalysis]
    #4751451 - 10/03/05 10:30 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

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Catalysis said:
I think it was more the festering, uncontrolled hatred that caused them to do it. You know, the same stuff that causes you to write things like this

Quote:

neither were the columbine victims any more innocent than the "little eichmanns" of 9/11...




Justifying the death of highschool kids simply for doing what kids have always done? Thats pretty sick man.

Im jewish and kids used to say the same kinda shit to me but I knew that most of them weren't serious and some do it just to look cool. It just never bothered me. Maybe we should teach kids how to deal with anger issues in a better way?




but how much do those kids really change as they get older??...maybe they stop going "bowling"..but judging from the results of the last election..thats about it...


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4751474 - 10/03/05 10:35 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

I'm pretty sure those kids did not orchestate a genocide, so little-Eichmann is not quite fair.

You can't place too much blame on the kids who picked on them. Kids pick on other kids, that is a fact of life. I know many kids who were teased unmercifully, and instead of shooting up the school, they ignored the kids or anything else other than killing people.


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4751487 - 10/03/05 10:39 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

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Annapurna1 said:
Quote:

Catalysis said:
I think it was more the festering, uncontrolled hatred that caused them to do it.  You know, the same stuff that causes you to write things like this

Quote:

neither were the columbine victims any more innocent than the "little eichmanns" of 9/11...




Justifying the death of highschool kids simply for doing what kids have always done?  Thats pretty sick man.

Im jewish and kids used to say the same kinda shit to me but I knew that most of them weren't serious and some do it just to look cool.  It just never bothered me.  Maybe we should teach kids how to deal with anger issues in a better way?




but how much do those kids really change as they get older??...maybe they stop going "bowling"..but judging from the results of the last election..thats about it...




Plenty of assholes voted for Kerry too. My old roomates drove around a big SUV wouldn't recycle, help homeless people or stray animalsand yet were stuanch democrats. How could this be possible?!  :smirk:


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4751553 - 10/03/05 10:55 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

now that i think about it..some of the ex-bowlers must have graduated to abu ghraib..gitmo..etc...


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: Annapurna1]
    #4751762 - 10/03/05 11:51 PM (12 years, 17 days ago)

Personally, I think they should have just stood up to one of these jock terrorist cells and when it erupted into a fight, then start firing and/or slitting throats.

Did they pick their targets, or just kill anybody they saw?


I hope at least that this incident will make bullies think twice in the future.


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Re: columbine ..bush HS??... [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4752276 - 10/04/05 01:23 AM (12 years, 16 days ago)

I don't care about the feelings of some pathetic goth kids in high school.

It is not relevant whatsoever to conducting a planned mass murder.


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