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Fixing some stalled manure
    #4747927 - 10/03/05 03:17 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

On Sept 19th I spawned some Tennessee stud manure with WBS colonized with cambodian. I'm using the monotub tek wherein the manure and spawn are just thrown together into a large tupperware container (in this case a 12qt rubbermaid). The colonization started off really quick and then started slowing down. This is how it looked after 9 days:



The next pic is 5 days later (two weeks to the day after spawning). You can see colonization has pretty much ceased along the outside:



I removed the tape covering the bottom (light protection) to see how it looks and here it is:



It appears that there's quite a bit of myc piss on the bottom and also it looks close up like condensation that formed on the sides of the container has slid down and water-logged the perimeter of the manure. Since I don't smell anything funky or see anything out of the ordinary to suggest fermentation/contamination, I'm guessing this is the reason the colonization has stalled.

So what to do about the water-logged outside? Cut out all the uncolonized area and case since I'm fairly sure the interior is colonized? Poke holes in the container to get some drainage/aeration? etc.

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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: Aeolus1369]
    #4748186 - 10/03/05 05:25 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

in order to remedy this, several issues need to be addressed :shrug:


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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: ThumpaCap]
    #4748302 - 10/03/05 07:42 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Personally I would mix it all up again, like shaking a grain jar.
Somebody may have a better idea though


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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: blackout]
    #4749057 - 10/03/05 01:58 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Oh interesting idea, thanks. Anyone else agree or have other suggestions?


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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: ThumpaCap]
    #4749656 - 10/03/05 04:24 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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ThumpaCap said:
in order to remedy this, several issues need to be addressed :shrug:




What a helpful reply!


Why not just case it as is? It's certainly ready enough to be and the casing would soak up any extra water. The less disturbing the better.


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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4749819 - 10/03/05 04:59 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I agree. Case it!  :thumbup:


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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: FooMan]
    #4749864 - 10/03/05 05:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'm experiencing the same problems, except mine has stalled much earlier. It has been 7 days and they don't even look half colonized. One of them has a fair bit of brown looking water on the bottom. I definitely think I did my poo too moist. When should I start to be concerned about colonization?


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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: johnjohnandjamal]
    #4750034 - 10/03/05 05:43 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

the reason for your stalled manure colonizing is because it it too wet and thats the number one reason for failure when working with manure. it seems that there was insuffient air exchanged since the sides of your container are soaked. are you also straying your tub? start drying your substrate with a fan.


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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: gema]
    #4750162 - 10/03/05 06:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Straying my tub? Can you explain what this means?

I know already that its too wet. It is my first time doing it so it is understandable. the only air exchange that they get is through a few holes in the top.

Here are a few pics of whats goin on...





This is the worst of my 3 tubs.

Fanning is all I could possibly do?


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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: johnjohnandjamal]
    #4751371 - 10/03/05 10:16 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

any help?


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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: johnjohnandjamal]
    #4751441 - 10/03/05 10:28 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I would also recommend fanning the hell out of the container and definitely stop misting. You should case it now and cover the sides of your container to avoid side pinning. Your polyfil holes should be on the sides, near the top of the substrate layer because that is where the CO2 builup will occur. It's too late for that now, so you'll just have to do the above suggestions and hope for the best. Good luck !


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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: FooMan]
    #4752357 - 10/04/05 01:37 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I just copied roadkill's setup in this post:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4645974/an/0/page/0

He used similar containers with similar hole placement, etc.

I have not been misting at all. I have not even opened the containers since I mixed the spawn with the poo. I did not know that was required or recommended.

If I case it now, won't it contaminate for sure? There is a ton of uncolonized substrate there that will be very prone to unwanted growths.

I decided on clear containers because I wanted to be sure of colonization much like roadkill in his thread. This is my first run through of a casing and I wanted to watch it. I planned to mask the sides when I applied the casing layer.

As of now, my plan of action is just to air them out. This will be the first time they have gotten any air and maybe it will speed things up. It has only been 6.5 days. Should I wait to do anything or should I act now?

Sorry for all the questions, I just really hope I can save this.

Thanks!


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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: johnjohnandjamal]
    #4752658 - 10/04/05 02:34 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Should I open them up and throw some desiccant below the trays to hopefully suck out some of the water? I'm open to anything!


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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: johnjohnandjamal]
    #4752917 - 10/04/05 04:53 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Mine was too wet too. Only some bits started to colonise. I treated some straw with lime and bleach. Left it 2 days and microwaved it bone dry. I have now mixed it in to absorb the excess moisture.
Verm should do the same trick


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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: blackout]
    #4753030 - 10/04/05 07:50 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

It is ok to break it up? I read that was a bad thing to do. Will the mycellium network be able to recover?


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Re: Fixing some stalled manure [Re: johnjohnandjamal]
    #4763160 - 10/06/05 11:39 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I removed the lids and threw them in my fruiting chamber with a fan on them. The seemed to have dried out a bit and the mass is pulling away from the sides of the container. As of this morning, I see some new mycellium poking through. I may actually be able to save these. Thanks for all the help!


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