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InvisibleSwami
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The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership
    #4745099 - 10/02/05 01:47 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

As the ultimate goal of forums is to increase traffic through the website and thus revenue, it might seem logical to appeal to the lowest comon denominator to attract the widest possible audience. This however, generally proves counter-productive in the long run. What attracts people is quality discussion and intelligent and informed membership as is evidenced by the Mycology forums.

For the administration to put more weight on the opinion of newbies over long-term members is silly.

Splitting S&P is a project doomed to failure. The simplest way to make (some) members more comfortable is to allow the thread-starter to set rules and or assumptions to be followed in the discussion.

Example: Assuming UFOs are piloted by non-human entities, where do you think they come from?

Then anyone questioning whether or not UFOs are 'real' would have his thread deleted or get a warning for being Off-topic.

Don't complicate things with more rules and regulations.


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Swami]
    #4745123 - 10/02/05 02:02 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Swami, it appears that the administration is planning to go through with the S&P split. I would suggest not stirring up any more drama for a while, wait for your ban to expire, and then enjoy the rational debate in the new P&R forum.


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Swami]
    #4745126 - 10/02/05 02:04 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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The simplest way to make (some) members more comfortable is to allow the thread-starter to set rules and or assumptions to be followed in the discussion.





You mean rules such as "don't post book titles in my thread"?


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Redstorm]
    #4745154 - 10/02/05 02:13 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Exactly! Disclaimers have proven not to work because some people don't respect them.

Cervantes posted a NO scat, serious discussion only disclaimer in is S&P thread and you posted gordito scat and discussion about your meeting Dennis Rodman.

Disclaimers have been proven not to work because some people don't know how to respect them.

And, so is it that all this time, you have been suggesting the split, just so you could make fun of people by titling one, the kumbayah forum when you had no intention of meaning it?

The disclaimer idea MAY have been voted on by more, had they been proven to work AND had they not been first proposed as sissy disclaimers by , "disrespectful" people who only wish to mock, people who are different from them.

If I were you, I would take paradigms advise swami and cool it. And when you do get allowed back in to the philosophy forum, keep the pub like chit chat out of it and bring it to the pub if you must. A lot of people followed you casual chat lead in S&P and that only served to take away form quality on topic discussions in that forum.

If you say, THAT is what draws a crowed, you were one of the biggest offenders of distracting that from taking place in S&P by taking threads off topic with humor and casual chit chat, just like you did in Cervantes post.

Get with using your own program and advice swami before you expect other people to buy into it.

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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Swami]
    #4745170 - 10/02/05 02:19 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Since you have all of the answers I point you here:

http://www.ezboard.com/

I hear it is quite cheap and easy to create your own board. I invite you to do so.


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4745224 - 10/02/05 02:38 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Making yet another thread about me is not a discussion of fixing S&P. I was attempting to be focused here and add content, instead it is becomming YET another 'Slam Swami Festival' (a more constructive variant of the 'Analyze Swami Festival').

The ideas on the split thus far have been vague in how the ills of S&P will be remedied merely by directing certain topics into container A or container B. Of course, we may be operating under the false assumption that all personalities may be assuaged all the time...


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Swami]
    #4745226 - 10/02/05 02:38 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

For the administration to put more weight on the opinion of newbies over long-term members is silly.


I agree. The administration needs to implement a seniority sliding scale of weightage based on 1) longevity 2) number of posts.

To do otherwise is silly.


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4745235 - 10/02/05 02:43 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Here we have Classic baiting.

I am not talking about a mathematical formula nor preferential treatment, but for a newbie to complain on his first posting because he does not understand philosophical debate and the mods to cater to that is what I am talking about.


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Redstorm]
    #4745241 - 10/02/05 02:45 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Since you have all of the answers I point you here:

I hear it is quite cheap and easy to create your own board. I invite you to do so.


Thank you for the personalism followed by the troll. I know that your intent was to demonstrate how not to post.


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Redstorm]
    #4745244 - 10/02/05 02:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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The simplest way to make (some) members more comfortable is to allow the thread-starter to set rules and or assumptions to be followed in the discussion.





You mean rules such as "don't post book titles in my thread"?




Care to address this post?

You have shown that it is impossible to follow rules created by the original poster in a thread. If you, the almighty, selfless Swami can not follow these rules, how do you expect others to?


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Swami]
    #4745253 - 10/02/05 02:51 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Since you have all of the answers I point you here:

I hear it is quite cheap and easy to create your own board. I invite you to do so.


Thank you for the personalism followed by the troll. I know that your intent was to demonstrate how not to post.




I understand you are quite a sensitive person, but I (or any other reasonable observer) would realize that it was not a troll. It was more of a declaration that the administration is not going to take into account the advice and demands of one who does nothing but test the rules of their forums.


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Redstorm]
    #4745262 - 10/02/05 02:57 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

It was more of a declaration that the administration is not going to take into account the advice

The advice, like ANY post content, should be judged as sound or unsound, on it's own merits. Amazing that this basic tenet of logical discussion is still not truly understood.

Then you add the emotionally-charged word "demands" when all ANYONE does here is make suggestions. Why keep trying to turn up the heat when I am trying for sincere resolution?


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Swami]
    #4745265 - 10/02/05 02:58 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I have another question.

Why did you not just add the content of the 3 new threads you created to the other S&P thread? That would have made more sense.


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Redstorm]
    #4745270 - 10/02/05 03:01 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Care to address this post?

No, my disruption has already been dealt with. Do you not want to move forward?


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Swami]
    #4745274 - 10/02/05 03:03 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I am just addressing the fact that you believe that others will just listen to the original poster, when that is clearly not the case.


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Redstorm]
    #4745286 - 10/02/05 03:10 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I am just addressing the fact that you believe that others will just listen to the original poster

If it is a fixed rule and uniformly enforced, then what I do or do not believe is not an issue. Try to steer away from me in this discussion otherwise send a PM.


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Swami]
    #4745293 - 10/02/05 03:14 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

What you do is an issue, though. You are a member, and an experienced one at that. If a veteran poster who is aware of the rules can't follow them, how can you reasonably expect others to?


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Re: The Real Fixing S&P Thread - Part III: Membership [Re: Swami]
    #4745809 - 10/02/05 06:22 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
The staff is currently undergoing specific discussion related to the potential splitting of the S&P forum. We are doing this while also taking into account the comments and concerns put forth by the membership in the "Splitting S&P - Poll" thread. Unfortunately, Swami does not have access to that thread as it resides in a forum from which he is currently banned. Anyone else wishing to express their concerns or ideas for the splitting of the forum, may do so in the appropriate thread:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4725048

There is also a related thread that is not quite as focused, but one which Swami may currently participate in should he desire, located here in WA&F:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4737122


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