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OfflineJesusChrist
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ARE ARABS ANTI-AMERICAN?
    #4739473 - 10/01/05 02:05 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

ARE ARABS ANTI-AMERICAN?

by Amir Taheri
New York Post
September 30, 2005

September 30, 2005 -- PRESIDENT Bush's "image queen," Karen Hughes, is on a tour of Arab countries, where conventional wisdom claims that anti-Americanism is second nature. Hughes, now in charge of public diplomacy at the State Department, plainly she shares that analysis ? why else choose the Arab region for her maiden voyage?

But how true is that claim? Are Arabs the most anti-American people on earth?

Start with the tangibles. America is by far the largest pole of attraction for Arab foreign investment at all levels, from public-sector funds to small private savings accounts. The most conservative estimates put the value of Arab assets in the United States at over $4.5 trillion, which puts the Arab countries just behind Britain, Japan and Holland as the biggest investors in the U.S. economy.

The United States is also one of the top three trading partners of virtually all Arab states. In fact, many U.S.-made goods (cars, for example) that don't sell anywhere else still enjoy robust markets in Arab countries.

Then, too, America has been the No. 1 foreign tourist destination for Arabs since the 1980s, and has remained so despite restrictions imposed on Arab visitors after 9/11. Arabs from all walks of life and of all political sensibilities also love to send their children to study in America. And when it comes to seeking medical treatment, no country competes with the United States in attracting well-heeled Arabs.

If she takes time to stroll in Arab capitals, Hughes would be struck by the ubiquitous presence of things American. It is possible to spend a holiday in most Arab capitals without moving out of the orbit of American-franchised hotels, restaurants, tourist services and banks. A stroll in modern shopping malls would reveal a population wearing American-style clothing, including baseball caps, with Motorola mobile phones pressed to ears, as New Orleans jazz plays in the background. She could sip one of those coffees the choice of which requires a PhD at a Starbucks, or indulge herself in a Hagen-Dazs of her choice.

More than 70 percent of what's broadcast on Arab TV stations (including those regarded as "obsessively anti-American") is U.S.-made; 80 percent of the films shown in Arab cinemas are made in Hollywood. There are more than two dozen English dailies, all using the American version of the language. Go through them, and you see that much of the content comes from U.S. agencies and syndication services.

Even Arabic-language newspapers serve as outlets for American journalism. More than half of all major articles in the two main pan-Arab daily newspapers come from The New York Times, The Washington Post, USA Today, the Los Angeles Times, Newsweek and Time magazines and other U.S. publications. Some American columnists have become household names in most Arab countries.

Hughes is also bound to be struck by the number of Arab decision-makers with American educational or business backgrounds and/or connections.

Only God and the U.S. immigration service would know how many Arabs hold green cards or even dual Arab-U.S. citizenship. With the possible exception of Libya, which has a weird regime, and Syria, whose leaders fear they may be targeted for "regime change," almost all Arab regimes are well-disposed toward the United States. Sixteen of the 21 member states of the Arab League host some U.S. military presence. The FBI maintains offices in at least 12 Arab capitals.

So, where did the impression that the Arabs are seething with anti-Americanism come from? Isn't it possible that the Arabs may be sharing the anti-American craze produced in the West, including the United States? Aren't the Arabs, as with so many other products, importing anti-Americanism?

In Arab newspapers, the bulk of the material that could be classified as anti-Bush and/or anti-American is translated from U.S. sources. Stroll in the streets where books and video and audio tapes are on sale at the curbsides and you will see that 90 percent of the items vilifying America come from American, French and British authors.

No Arab anti-American has produced anything like the conspiracy theories that American intellectuals such as Noam Chomsky, Michael Moore, Scott Ritter, Seymour Hersh and Edward Said, to name a few, have put on the markets everywhere, including the Arab world.

At any given time, one can find a horde of American activists visiting the region to urge the natives to hate America:

* Two years ago, a group of Americans appeared in Arab capitals to stop people in the bazaars to "apologize for the Crusades," although the United States didn't even exist when those wars were fought between Europe and the Middle East.

* Before the liberation of Iraq, scores of Americans came to Baghdad to offer themselves as "human shields" for Saddam Hussein. No Arab was so foolish.

* This month, a group of 30 American professors turned up in Tehran and Damascus to describe the United States as "a rogue state on the rampage".

* Bianca Jagger, presented as ambassador for UNICEF and "a leading thinker," has been in the region telling astonished audiences that the United States is the source of all evil in the world. (By the way, isn't UNICEF supposed to be apolitical?)

* One American professor recently published an op-ed in The New York Times relating his trip to Iran, where he was "disappointed" to see that students not only did not hate George W. Bush but, horror of horrors, also craved for an American-style democracy instead of an Islamist utopia.

* The anti-Bush demonstrations that Arabs watch on TV take place in Washington, San Francisco and Seattle, not in any Arab city.

* A friend, who happens to be a minister in an Arab state, was saddened this summer when, spending holidays with his family in the United States as he had always done since student days, he had to quarrel with an old American schoolmate. The point of the dispute was that the American insisted that the United States was an "evil empire," while the Arab believed that it could be a force for reform in the Middle East.

* Last month, an Iraqi journalist gave up his American scholarship and returned home because faculty members in the U.S. university he attended made him feel "guilty for having been liberated from Saddam Hussein."

* A Kuwaiti friend withdrew his son from an American university to "protect him from [being] brainwashed into hating the United States."

Many polls have been conducted to show that the Arabs are anti-American. A more interesting poll would aim at finding out how many Americans are so afflicted by self-loathing as to devote their energies to a systematic vilification of their nation.

The best that Karen Hughes could do is to help make available to the Arabs the other side of the American debate; to show that not all Americans share Chomsky's belief that the United States planned to kill 6 million Afghans solely to build a pipeline from Central Asia. Her aim should be to help Arabs understand America in all its contradictions, not necessarily to adore it.

There are many issues on which the Arabs disagree with the United States. But most Arabs don't see that as a sign of anti-Arabism on the part of America. Hughes should not regard it as a sign of anti-Americanism on the part of Arabs.

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Hurricane Katrina was a unique American event. The mainstream media reported on it, and it was grossly exaggerated reporting. A significant percentage of the stories (if not an outright majority) were completely wrong. If anyone was looking for a story on either media bias or media incompetence Katrina would be a good test subject.

And if our press can get a story so wrong in a major American city, imagine what they can do to a story about a war half the world over, in a different culture, where they speak a different language?

I think we have to start questioning the reporting coming out of Iraq an the vaunted "Arab Street".

I support the war because I want both freedom and liberty for them and security for us. I want to make the world a better place. I have no diabolical plan. I am not one of Karl Roves minions or spin doctors. It is a black and white issue. Rid them from tyranny and give them freedom. Let freedom ring.

For the life of me I can't see how this war could have gone better. Years into it already, we have already seen significant gains and we have lost less than 2000 men. If you would have told me we would be where we are right now at the beginning I would have called you crazy, yet our media wants to claim that we are losing this war.

Consider Katrina next time you hear any news about Iraq. Our media turned a horrific natural disaster into a political event. It suited them, so they did it. They are not looking out for your best interest.

You can label me as some right wing nut job that complains about media bias, but please think about it. I don't think they give a fuck about you or your best interests.


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Re: ARE ARABS ANTI-AMERICAN? [Re: JesusChrist]
    #4739496 - 10/01/05 02:10 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

The situation is too complex to describe them as anti-American or pro-American. In most Arab countries, you will find that the people like some things about America and dislike other aspects.


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Re: ARE ARABS ANTI-AMERICAN? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4739548 - 10/01/05 02:26 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for that clarification. It isn't black and white man, only shades of gray!

I think the author made that point himself if you cared to read the article.

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There are many issues on which the Arabs disagree with the United States. But most Arabs don't see that as a sign of anti-Arabism on the part of America.




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Re: ARE ARABS ANTI-AMERICAN? [Re: JesusChrist]
    #4740821 - 10/01/05 02:22 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

The Arabic Baptist Church in Northwest Washington has a congregation of about 150, most of whom are immigrants. Jay Westcott/Examiner







How about this for a stereotype?
Majority of Arab-Americans are Christian
By Nicholas Hoover
Special to The Examiner
Published: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 11:36 PM EDT
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The small church just off Massachusetts Avenue NW differs from most. The congregants sing traditional hymns, take Bible lessons and listen to the pastor's sermon just like most Protestant churches - but they do it all in Arabic.

And according to assistant pastor Sameh Sadek, nearly 90 percent of the congregation emigrated from the Middle East in this generation.

The church is one of many Arab Christian churches in the United States. At 64 percent, a large majority of the 1.2 million Arab-Americans are not Muslim, but Christian.


Shortly after Sept. 11, the church's marquee read "Don't Mess With the U.S." because pastor Esper Ajaj thought the congregation might become a target for anti-Arab sentiment. A slogan on some of the church's literature refers to the church as "In the Heart of the Nation With the Nation at Heart."

However, Ajaj has found little prejudice here.



"It all depends on how you receive it," said Aziz Ahddad, who came to the United States from Jordan at age 7. But, he noted, "If you're looking for it, you'll find it."

Sam, a medical student who requested partial anonymity for safety from what he termed a lack of understanding in some parts of the Muslim community, said stereotypes are a double bind.

He explained that many Muslims label him negatively, leading at times to arguments. Yet he is also frustrated that, for example, when he goes to airports, he is often pulled aside for security checks.



"I'm falling under the stereotype of those who are stereotyping me," he said.

The congregation of the church is diverse. Some speak broken English, others can't speak much Arabic at all. Members come from five Middle Eastern countries. Some have been citizens for decades, others just visiting on work visas.

According to Ajaj, the church brings familiarity to its members, both in culture and language. The community is visibly close. On Sunday, an afternoon baby shower was held in a common area of the church. Before and after services, members gather in the common area, many chatting in Arabic.

The church was founded in 1958 as perhaps the first Arab evangelical church in the United States. Membership has since grown from a handful to a congregation of about 150.




More facts

- Sixty-four percent of the roughly 1.2 million people who identify as Arab-Americans are Christian - 35 percent are Catholic, 10 percent Protestant and 18 percent Orthodox.

- There are Arab churches in metropolitan areas around the country and several others in the Washington region, including one in Fairfax and another in Manassas.

Sources: February 2000 Zogby poll, 2000 Census

nhoover@dcexaminer.com



http://www.dcexaminer.com/articles/2005/09/07/features/faith/85afaith21arabs.txt


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Re: ARE ARABS ANTI-AMERICAN? [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4741043 - 10/01/05 03:32 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I have been saying this for a long time however I suspect that the US has a strong xenophobic streak in them and they like the idea that the world hates them. That way they don't need to feel guilty about interfering in sovereign nations affairs around the globe and can justify the building of an American empire.
I think that the current admin actually encourages this. History has shown that when an empire no longer has any enemies of consequence it starts to collapse. The spector of an entire race harboring loathing for the US gives the government the latitude that it needs to be able to conduct it's business in the shadows. America was being forced to be more transparent to its people after the collapse of the soviets and some people didn't like it. Now this "War on Terror" creates an environment where ordinary business suddenly becomes secret out of necessity


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Re: ARE ARABS ANTI-AMERICAN? [Re: usedtobe3m]
    #4741609 - 10/01/05 05:59 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

America is just the world police force of last resort.


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Re: ARE ARABS ANTI-AMERICAN? [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4741612 - 10/01/05 06:02 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

But we shouldn't be. If these nations want to hurt each other, thats fine. It still strenghtens our position. We don't need to move against other leaders unless they are hurting America in some real-tangible way. If Chavez refused to sell oil to the US, for example, I'd say we could move in and seize their refineries.


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Re: ARE ARABS ANTI-AMERICAN? [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4741782 - 10/01/05 07:15 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Muslim... Christian.. it's all the same bullshit. If you're a Muslim the Christians will call you a Heathen moon-god worshipper. If you're a Christian the Muslims will call you a Kaffir polytheist.


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Re: ARE ARABS ANTI-AMERICAN? [Re: The14thWarrior]
    #4741793 - 10/01/05 07:19 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Warrior14 said:
But we shouldn't be. If these nations want to hurt each other, thats fine. It still strenghtens our position. We don't need to move against other leaders unless they are hurting America in some real-tangible way. If Chavez refused to sell oil to the US, for example, I'd say we could move in and seize their refineries.




I doubt that would happen. Whether it's Iran or Venezuela that pulls their fuel off the market, there isn't terribly much that can be done. Internationally it's not illegal to pull your country's resources off the market. Sometimes I think some of the people here believe the White House has more power than it actually does.


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Re: ARE ARABS ANTI-AMERICAN? [Re: Unagipie]
    #4745434 - 10/02/05 04:13 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)



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    #4746087 - 10/02/05 07:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Unagipie said:
I doubt that would happen. Whether it's Iran or Venezuela that pulls their fuel off the market, there isn't terribly much that can be done. Internationally it's not illegal to pull your country's resources off the market. Sometimes I think some of the people here believe the White House has more power than it actually does.




I don't care about legal or illegal, I care about the survival of my country. I doubt our treatment of the Indians would meet with international standards of law today, but it happened and we are better off for it. If all of the other nations decided to cut us off from needed supplies, we'd have the Constitutional obligation to invade these countries and take what we need. Thats how war has worked since the beginning of time. I want a president that realizes that rather than one who would let America wither on the vine to appease socialist Europe.


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Re: ARE ARABS ANTI-AMERICAN? [Re: The14thWarrior]
    #4746575 - 10/02/05 09:45 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Keep dreamin, because you'll never see such a President in power


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