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b1tH
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For Mescaline Sulfate is the dosage closer to that of pure Mescaline? If you're saying you're getting 17.4-18.0 grams, then that's a lot of trips, correct? Unless of course it is still a much higher dose than that of pure Mescaline.
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Re: Mescaline Dosage/Making Powder [Re: b1tH]
#4726254 - 09/28/05 04:40 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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"pure" mescaline isn't a solid, it's an oil/liquid much like MDMA. To make it into crystals you have to add a acidic functional group, like using sulfuric acid (sulfate), hydrochloric (hydrochloride), citric (citrate), etc. about 500mg is a good strong dose of Mesc.sulf
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b1tH
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Oh wow, so off a kilo you're getting alot of trips. That's awesome. You're talking a kilo dry, right?
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Re: Mescaline Dosage/Making Powder [Re: b1tH]
#4726566 - 09/28/05 05:41 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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You're getting a lot from one, but not as much as it might sound like (the word kilo associated with drugs tends to mean more). Mescaline content isn't extrordinarily high.
And yeah, freebase mescaline (if you don't salt it) is an oil. Is there no way to take it? Supposedly it burns. When you compared sulphate to pure mesc, were you in fact meaning to say hcl?
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Ekstaza
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Re: Mescaline Dosage/Making Powder [Re: Koala Koolio]
#4726625 - 09/28/05 05:52 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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elgr said: And yeah, freebase mescaline (if you don't salt it) is an oil. Is there no way to take it?
I eat freebase mescaline all of the time. That's basically what my alcohol extraction tek produces. When it hits your stomach, though, it forms mescaline hcl by combining with all of the natural hydrochloric acid in you stomach.
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The14thWarrior
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Re: Mescaline Dosage/Making Powder [Re: b1tH]
#4727259 - 09/28/05 08:03 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Take the number of grams timesed by two and thats the number of doses. 500mg = .5 g
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Koala Koolio
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Thanks Ekstaza, like always.
So when boiled down simply, tis freebase form? What's the natural ph in cactus world?
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Re: Mescaline Dosage/Making Powder [Re: Koala Koolio]
#4727324 - 09/28/05 08:19 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not sure about the ph.
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The14thWarrior
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Re: Mescaline Dosage/Making Powder [Re: Ekstaza]
#4727417 - 09/28/05 08:34 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crestfallen
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So, could you take the tar you get from the alcohol method and then further extract it to a pure salt? Is this even plausible?
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Re: Mescaline Dosage/Making Powder [Re: Crestfallen]
#4729037 - 09/29/05 12:12 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ah, somehow maybe yes. I'm not sure if the alcohol method extracts everything as well as an acid/base would. You should be able to extract the mescaline, under basic conditions, into a non-polar layer.
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Crestfallen
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I see, thanks.
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Re: Mescaline Dosage/Making Powder [Re: Crestfallen]
#4729396 - 09/29/05 01:24 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Regarding Ekstanza's full extraction...the lye water-cactus layer seems very lumpy to me, (12 hours in) and although there is a xylene layer on top, the separation is vague, on account of the lumpiness of the cactus-water, and the cloudiness of the milk-jug. Also there seems to be pockets of xylene trapped in the cactus muck.
Questions...
Will this lumpiness eventually smooth out? Will the trapped xylene eventually rise to the top? If I added too much water, will the water float on top of the cactus sludge, and be hard to visually distinguish from the dark green-tinted xylene layer? Should I add more lye? I would have to add the lye straight, since there is not room for much base-water in my container.
Worries worries! Any help here would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: Mescaline Dosage/Making Powder [Re: Crestfallen]
#4733465 - 09/29/05 07:54 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crestfallen said: So, could you take the tar you get from the alcohol method and then further extract it to a pure salt? Is this even plausible?
Absolutely, but entirely wasteful. You'd be wasting a lot of alcohol for no good reason. The reason for my alcohol extraction technique is simplicity, not efficiency. It wastes a bunch of alcohol to do it, but it is super easy and virtually foolproof.
If, however, you want to try it, just add some basic water(lye water) to the tar and mix it up very well.
Add a Xylene layer and mix some more. Let it settle into distinct separate layers completely. At least a 24 hr wait.
Siphon off the Xylene into another container and add dilute hcl acid to it.
Shake well and let sit to settle back into two distinct layers.
Put it in the freezer to freeze the water layer.
Once frozen pour off the Xylene back into the container with the tar/basic water solution.
Thaw out the water and evaporate for crystals.
Repeat until you are satisfied that no more alkaloids are left in the tar/basic water solution.
Clean with an acetone wash or not. It just gets a bit of impurities out of it. It's not absolutely necessary for oral ingestion, but does help to make dosing more accurate.
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