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Offlinedaimyo
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Dental Enchantress
    #4732589 - 09/29/05 06:16 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

A post by a certain individual, who is feared and demeaned by those of lesser stature, got me wondering...What are the implications of lying to children about the existence of gift-bearing entities?
Why is it morally acceptable to spread these malign beliefs?


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: daimyo]
    #4732603 - 09/29/05 06:19 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

just like saying we were all created by one man named god


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: daimyo]
    #4732668 - 09/29/05 06:35 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

A post by a certain individual, who is feared and demeaned by those of lesser stature,




:rofl2: Is this your new Guru?


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: daimyo]
    #4732680 - 09/29/05 06:37 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think it is morally acceptable to lie to children about popular myths.

I have two sons, and I told them both that Santa is the personification of the Christmas Spirit, not a real person.
I never told them there was a Dental Enchantress, but offered them a "Tooth Deposit" for redeeming their lost baby teeth.

Oh, and I do not practice any religion, so I didn't tell them about any of those lies/suppositions either. :grin:


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: Veritas]
    #4732785 - 09/29/05 07:06 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Good girl. :thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: daimyo]
    #4732956 - 09/29/05 07:55 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

We should all tell our kids that there's a giant goat-headed snake that collects baby teeth. if we all do it, maybe it'll come true :smile:


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: psilocyb0rg]
    #4733363 - 09/29/05 09:34 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

psylocyborg, of course it will come true, at least in the minds of the children, and as they say the future lies with them.


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: TheGus]
    #4733375 - 09/29/05 09:35 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

" just like saying we were all created by one man named god "

that is not a lie unless the parents were atheists.


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: Deviate]
    #4735924 - 09/30/05 11:51 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

For religious parents, it would be more honest to say "We believe we were all created by one man named God."

If the parents were atheists, they would not tell their child we were created by God. :wink:


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: Veritas]
    #4735946 - 09/30/05 11:57 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I thought this was about a sweetie pie who provides nitrous at the dentist office and then goes about being herself.

kids know more than us anyway (in a less is more way) so, it kinda makes sense to declare war in dreamspace with the pillow an old tooth and some cash.


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: Veritas]
    #4735950 - 09/30/05 11:58 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Could stories about santa and the tooth fairy manifest into lying children who like to conspire and trick other people?


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: MJF]
    #4735972 - 09/30/05 12:05 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I think so.  It teaches children it is ok to lie in some situations.  Then the child is left to decide which situations are ok.  One lie leads to the next and soon you have a politician or a lawyer. :doh:


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: daimyo]
    #4736004 - 09/30/05 12:14 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

the imagination wraps the world
and metaphor is approximate
but science is also approximate (always closing the gap by half puts it into a fractal zone of inacuracy and relief)

we need to be able to work innocently in the gap of ignorance and wisdom.
like a child
with a child

remember the child does not have the empyrical scientifc background and is mortified when all things have to be correct and complex. (why do you think so many are now suffering with OCD - previously an unknown mental condition)

simple metaphors are not lies especially if they are opportunities to connect. we know so few ways to express love that adoption of santa and tooth fairy remain valid forever eventhough they are really very silly.


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4736036 - 09/30/05 12:20 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

simple metaphors are not lies especially if they are opportunities to connect. we know so few ways to express love that adoption of santa and tooth fairy remain valid forever eventhough they are really very silly.




It is not necessary to lie in order to convey wonder! 

As I said, I discussed with my sons the idea that Santa Claus personifies the spirit of giving and generosity.  We were able to connect and enjoy that aspect of Christmas/Yule without the betrayal of trust that a "silly" lie would entail.

Most of the wonder that I share with them involves appreciation of the natural world, the mysteries we may never solve, and the beauty you can find all around you if you slow down.  This magic is true and real and strong. :heart:


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: Veritas]
    #4736046 - 09/30/05 12:23 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Have you ever had to explian to other parents why your children tell all the other kids Santa isn't real?


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: daimyo]
    #4736059 - 09/30/05 12:26 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Good question!  One of the things I included in my discussion with my boys was that other kids and their parents had a different understanding about Santa, and that it might hurt their feelings to "blow the whistle."  They've both been good about keeping it "in the family." :grin:


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: Veritas]
    #4736072 - 09/30/05 12:28 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

That's very thoughtful/cool of you.  Must be a great parent :smile:


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: Veritas]
    #4736075 - 09/30/05 12:29 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

different explanations are digestible to different sorts of people.

for example in the Passover Seder (which is a ceremony for children above all) four questions are asked by children.

the leader aswers differently to each child.

one way for a wise child, one way for an ornery child, yet another way for a slow child and a even a fourth way for one who is unable to phrase his own question.

the issue addresses the ability of the child above all.
some children will never accept a santa story, they are also to be cherished. Good you did the right thing.


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: daimyo]
    #4736076 - 09/30/05 12:30 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I take it seriously, as it is probably one of the most important endeavors I will undertake in this lifetime.


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Re: Dental Enchantress [Re: Veritas]
    #4736434 - 09/30/05 01:48 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

my ex-girlfriends parents are christian, and when talking to the mom, she would tell me that she never told her kids that santa-clause or the easter bunny are real.

"If my kids find out that I lied about santa, then they find out that I lied about the easter bunny... why should they believe me when I tell them about God and Jesus?"

It makes a lot of sense. As a kid starts to mature, they realize that adults have no respect for them and think of them as stupid and naive. How is this supposed to make the kid feel? How are they supposed to trust adults?

Go ahead and tell metaphorical stories, but don't go through great lengths to convince your kids of the fantasy (like having your buddy climb down from the roof on christmas eve in santa costume, trying to bullshit like he's the real fucking santa...)


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