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A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will
#4730912 - 09/29/05 10:16 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Here is a nice little quote I found by George Bernard Shaw, who in his time was called the British Nietzsche, from the play he wrote called Man and Superman which was in part inspired by his fascination of the transcendent.
DON JUAN: ...My brain is the organ by which nature strives to understand itself...
DEVIL: What is the use of knowing?
DON JUAN: ...To be able to choose the line of greatest advantage instead of yielding in the direction of least resistance. Does a ship sail to its destination no better than a log drifts nowhither?... And there you have our difference: To be in Hell is to drift, to be in Heaven is to steer... At least I shall not be bored.
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Re: A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will [Re: exclusive58]
#4731172 - 09/29/05 11:13 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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lies..
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Re: A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will [Re: exclusive58]
#4731249 - 09/29/05 11:25 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
DON JUAN: ...To be able to choose the line of greatest advantage instead of yielding in the direction of least resistance.
The warriors way. (Interesting coincidence that name Don Juan.)
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will [Re: Icelander]
#4731453 - 09/29/05 11:59 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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"Does a ship sail to its destination no better than a log drifts nowhither?... And there you have our difference: To be in Hell is to drift, to be in Heaven is to steer... "
wow, fascinating idea. But can a log being directed by unseen currents not have the illusion of steering itself?
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Re: A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will [Re: dr0mni]
#4731497 - 09/29/05 12:08 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Logs aren't too intelligent.
-------------------- Money doesn't grow on trees, but deficits do grow under Bushes. You can accept, reject, or examine and test any new idea that comes to you. The wise man chooses the third way. - Tom Willhite Disclaimer: I reserve the right to change my opinions should I become aware of additional facts, the falsification of information or different perspectives. Articles written by others which I post may not necessarily reflect my opinions in part or in whole, my opinions may be in direct opposition, the topic may be one on which I have yet to formulate an opinion or have doubts about, an article may be posted solely with the intent to stimulate discussion or contemplation.
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Re: A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will [Re: Prosgeopax]
#4731893 - 09/29/05 01:38 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I keep a log
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Re: A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will [Re: redgreenvines]
#4732103 - 09/29/05 02:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Do you have a log licence? Is it trained? How about a pic.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will [Re: Prosgeopax]
#4732117 - 09/29/05 02:21 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Prosgeopax said: Logs aren't too intelligent.
Quote:
"At least I shall not be board."
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will [Re: Icelander]
#4732161 - 09/29/05 02:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ya'll are funny. What if the drifters think they are steering? And what if the steerers are actually drifting?
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Re: A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will [Re: MJF]
#4732165 - 09/29/05 02:31 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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They are the same. Heaven and Hell that is.
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Re: A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will [Re: MJF]
#4732310 - 09/29/05 03:04 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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haha, indeed. And such is the cosmic joke.
However, one can be one with the Universe and at peace in a dark closet. But wouldn't you rather go outside and feel the warmth of the sun?
The truth is both are necessary.
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Re: A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will [Re: Prosgeopax]
#4734084 - 09/29/05 10:20 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Prosgeopax said: Logs aren't too intelligent.
"how can we be sure that a rock rolling down a hill doesn't know where it is going?" - IDK
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Re: A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will [Re: exclusive58]
#4734754 - 09/30/05 12:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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i agree that knowledge is steering yet IMO it's still deterministic if you think about it (since the output is the direct result of the input- knowledge vs no knowledge) determinism & choice these two concepts go together
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Re: A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will [Re: crunchytoast]
#4735340 - 09/30/05 05:45 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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determinism & choice these two concepts go together
I don't completely agree.
Where I do agree is that the choices available to you are determined.
Where I don't agree is that the particular choice that you make is determined.
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Re: A quote, so you can meditate on the nature of free will [Re: exclusive58]
#4735531 - 09/30/05 08:06 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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concave and convex should be considered
the convex is like impression which impinges on the membrane of self
the convex is like expression where the self membrane presses out into the world.
part of the world is a filter against new incoming impressions
concepts are a category of expression - part of the convex that goes out and filters which impressions can be get through to be concave dents in the self membrane.
the self defends against new dents with strong convex patterns of which determinism is certainly one, while choice is always a toss that is up in the air.
so when the coin lands let an impression be made.
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