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Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical *DELETED*
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Simply put, it is amazing.

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Well my experiences with it have been nothing short of amazing, but your mileage will vary.
From what I know of DMT off the top of my head, it is similar in chemical structure to a chemical your brain releases when you dream. My view on DMT is that it brings your conscious mind on a journey through your subconscious that it retains full memory of. There are many things to see and many things to learn in there.
I have smoked a DMT concentrate twice, and each time was an unforgetable trip. Took a deep inhale, then another, and passed it over to my friend. I became aware of a vibration, which was very subtle at first and then grew to be almost overwhelming. It was like a high and low frequency at the same time resonating in harmony. The volume increased until their was a loud *clap* (In the brain?) And I was drawn into another realm..
While words cannot accurately describe the experience, it was like I took a journey into a part of myself that I knew existed, but had never seen. I saw all of the things I had done and have yet to do. I saw my past,present and future simultaneously. I went to the other side of the Universe and back again, being led by an irresistable force. I saw my connection with Creation and all things. I learned that all things are a part of Creation, and we are all the same force. Therefore, I must respect and love all things as though they were myself, because they are myself. In a nutshell, that is.

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Well, I was already at that understanding...but DMT made it that much clearer for me, and also shot me to new levels of that awareness that I did not realize existed. But essentially.... yes

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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
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enter, that is an image of a book cover. I think reading the book would far surpass what cannot be put into words myself.

You can read 11 sample pages Here.


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: oneoverzero]
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What I can tell you about DMT is that it is in everybody occuring naturally. A Mass Spectography blood analysis will show trace amounts.

ADDED TO POST: also at the chemical level psilocybin, The Shroom Molecule when metabolized in vivo to psilocin is only one oxygen atom different than DMT.


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I would say that my soul dwells inside my entire body, but is centered in the unconscious portion of the brain.

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Blood is what keeps us alive. It contains within it crystalline matrices which connect us to the 2D realm and also to the 4D. From what I know, consciousness is carried in blood.. and as we enter the photon band codes are released in our blood which carries our evolutionary path. I could go on but I think thats all you wanted.


About the pineal gland... It is affected by the Seventh Chakra (Crown Chakra) It effects the personality positively through oneness with all, and cosmic understanding, negative traits are put down feelings, and alienation from life... when activated it enables the ability to leave the body in full consciousness, have a greater understanding of life, and perfect astral travel
As far as the chemical it releases I dont know... but I do know that it is directly related to the Seventh Chakra.

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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
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I believe we are chemical beings, but I don't think that in any way invalidates our "spiritual" experiences of love, hate, religious conversion and so on...

Knowing the mechanism behind such things needn't relegate them to the "solved" pile, nor should it remove any of the mystery and wonder associated with them. Indeed, for some, it only adds to it...

We are surely greater than the sum of our parts, but I don't think retreating into mysticism is the best way to comprehend our world(s) and our place in it.

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The human body has TRILLIONS of cells in it. I would probably have to puke if I knew how many molecules were in the human body. So therefore, I really can't tell you anything more to what you already have a good understang of.


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I know for sure I prefer to keep my blood inside me. You could call it the most mysterious thing in the Universe.


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Not accepted by the Scientific Community? That's a big surprise. A couple hundred years ago they knew the Earth was flat.. oh sorry lets not get into that.
Lets see... link...link....
ahh ok
go here

http://www.spiritweb.com/Spirit/projection-04.html

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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
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My 2 cents comes down to 'The Foundations of Tibetan Mysticism" by Lama Anagarika Govinda. It is THE definitive work on the comparison of Hindu and Kargutpa Tibetan Buddhist models. I based my doctoral dissertation on the chakras on this text, and was in written communication with the Lama. BTW, each of my chapters was headed by a Biblical quote that reflected a 'motive' and a 'location' and a transition from the preceding center. For the solar plexus/Manipura: "Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly." Job 40:16, reflects the movement from the Svadhisthana' genital chakra (or anal-genital in the Tibetan tradition of 5 chakras) to the Manipura. Or again, from the Anahata/Heart to the Vishudha/Throat center: "The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD." Proverbs 16:1. This energetic movement or motivation can be illustrated by the MDMA inebriation, which 'opens the Heart Center,' and causes a verbal outpouring of feelings, thoughts and perceptions in heartfelt sincerity. MDMA inebriation is very much a Heart-Throat Chakra experience.
Like the Tibetan Buddhists, incidentally, the Hopi Indians have a 5 center system, and the Greek Orthodox Christians practice Hesychasm - 'Tranquility' - found in the Philokalia, in which navel, heart and head centers along with following the breath to them are used. Sufi Muslims have a system as well as Orthodox Jews (the Body of Adam Kadmon - the Qabalistic Tree of Sephiroth). Chinese Taoists also have a system (Tibetans, geographically between India and China draw on Hindu and Taoist systems - static and fluid - to create theirs). Peace.


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I think you'll find it was the Church who insisted the world was flat, and the scientific community who showed otherwise.

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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Pynchon]
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Right you are! I think I need to sleep

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But before I go you must tell me if that is a real baby or an altered photo

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I really hope its an altered photo...

Btw, can anyone translate the slogan?


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Oh man...that baby is starting to scare me, time for sleep

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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
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No enter, I'm a tanto blade fighting martial artist with seven years under my belt of my own style. I do NOT like puncture wounds, filet or slice wounds, and especially chopping wounds. That means I don't like bleeding profusely (or even a little bit). Wanna compare scars one day champion? Getting stitches doesn't hurt. IT'S THE DAMN LIDOCAINE NEEDLE INJECTIONS THAT HURT. So that why I prefer to keep my blood inside me.


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Thank you MarkostheGnostic, just checked my university's online card catalog and they do have the book on the shelf.


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Four scars in one day? You know if you ever blow an artery get a thick cloth (anything you can rip immediatly) and apply fierce pressure until an ambulance arrives or you can get your dying ass to the E.R. ~ just some friendly real world advice in case you piss off the wrong person on the streets (you know, outside there in the open, daytime or night).


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: oneoverzero]
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Thank God I wasn't near my computer last night...


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Ulysees]
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Ah, it was fun like a chat room.


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: oneoverzero]
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Well while you guys were yukkin' it up, I was sluggin it out in the brain... heh heh. I might have some things put together for you to look at perhaps in a few days or a week... (Don't expect a polished product because of that, I'm on serious overload here...)


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Ulysees]
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Hey man "no rest for the wicked, eh?" :tongue: (on PBS's Philosophy Street we learned what value judgement was this morning) hehe. I'm headed to the library, kinda rainy, but we have a very nice one to sit quietly and read in peace. :wink:

1/0 ~ over and out.


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
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i, for one, am amazed at the number of physicists who have jumped into the fray per the mind/consciousness/soul question... including such luminaries as robert jastrow, carl sagan, francis crick, itzak bentov, fred alan wolf, gary zukav, fritjof capra, jack sarafatti are just a few that come to mind who have written books about one aspect or another of that particular "big question"...


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MtG, got the book photocopied. There was a tornado alram but, aside from that the school has a wonderful variety of floura, hehe, like these "marajuana trees" - I swear the jagged 5-leaf'd trees look like pot! Laughing with the earth, water, and wind... while laughing about the metaphorical bull horns of thought - glad to see the book has a sense of humor reading that when the alarm went off. :laugh:


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quote by shroomism
"About the pineal gland... It is affected by the Seventh Chakra (Crown Chakra) It effects the personality positively through oneness with all, and cosmic understanding, negative traits are put down feelings, and alienation from life... when activated it enables the ability to leave the body in full consciousness, have a greater understanding of life, and perfect astral travel
As far as the chemical it releases I dont know... but I do know that it is directly related to the Seventh Chakra. "


that chemical wouldnt have anything to do with melatonin would it? how many chemicals does the pineal gland produce??


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: oneoverzero]
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Coincidentally...I finished 'DMT: The Spirit Molecule' today on my lunch break. Not until the last chapter does Dr. Strassman cut loose and wax 'cosmic.'


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
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Oh boy, what a mighty long thread to read when your sacred blood is poisoned with alcohol. (I got that far, yes)

My take on the whole issue of the connection between your chemical brain and metapysical spirit is that there is a chicken and egg paradox. You see, when you'r body releases adrenalin, you get all worked up, because of the chemicals. But I think the spirit is affected as well, by some onnection we have yet to identify(somebody please enlighten me).
Of course it works the other way around too. If a feeling is provoked in the spirit first, it's intimate connection with the physical body will cause chemicals to releas which again cause the body to react in a particular way.

Chemicals can be said to be the remot control of the soul. It's simply the mechanism of your physical (biological, hence cehmical) body. Becuse of the intimate connection between spirit and body, the thing that is trapped inbetween, the result of their intneraction, is Mind. That might be why we are so flummoxed by this apparent non-causal link.

For me it is a fact that neither the spirit nor the body is in control. They are connected somehow, and through that connection flow signals, information. It is as already mentioned, the connection between body and spirit. Which in my opinion result in Mind. The Mind is the *interface* between the spirit and body, that's the message I am trying to get across. You grok? Good night!


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: ekomstop]
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CHAKRAS
http://www.geocities.com/genijezz/chakras.htm

PINEAL GLAND
http://www.saginaw.k12.mi.us/~mobility/pineal.htm

THE PINEAL GLAND, LSD, and SEROTONIN
http://taolodge.com.tw/pineal.html

THE PINEAL GLAND: THE BRIDGE BETWEEN THE PHYSICAL and SPIRITUAL REALITY
http://www.alphaomega.se/english/pineal.html

PINEAL POWER
THE MIRACLE CURES OF THE THIRD EYE:
New Science Paradigms For Somagenic & Somajetic Medicine (also includes interesting info on Harmala/Harmaline)
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/PINEALpower.html




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Your loss man. Depending on what you're looking for, you can find great insight through certain chemicals and rituals. (Though it's much different than say reading the bible or hearing a lecture.) I agree that one might not want to base their whole "career" around that though, lest they end up wondering "was all that just a hallucination?".
If you want to look into it further, maybe put the conclusion that it's just an illegtimate form of entertainment on hold, I suggest you read up on shamanism and related topics. After reading a description of DMT I don't think you're learned enough to make that judgement...
The choice is yours of course. Your path may not involve such things.


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I havn't read the book (no real need to at the moment... - got Tibetan Mystiscism to explore now), however Art Bell's website has an interview (few hours) with Dr. Strassman I found interesting. His Zen community frowned when the grant phased into searching for DMT-antagonists. He ended his reasearch there (thank God). imho Spirit-... is quite appropriate for the title.



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I do not smoke pot, and rarely drink alcohol socially. And never drink and drive! It's not a DUI that scares me - it's crashing into another person that scares me. Sober = stone cold confidence and stability.

I'll tell you a funny little story, long ago when I tried psilocybin mushrooms for the first time - one of the most profound visions I had was seeing the face of Christ... and coming to the full realization (as a religious experience) that I was an Alive and Growing being. LSD also opened my eyes, as a pupil, in the eyes of God. That said, I can say, "I Know Why" :wink:


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Enter, I probably have read that, and whether that guy was brilliant or not is beside the point.

"This brings up another discussion (perhaps) about whether taking substances outside of their natural means (as food), is a legitimate way to see reality.
I have no problems, even Biblically, if someone enjoys eating mushrooms or marijuana. But to take a plant or a grass, with the intention to see elves, aliens, etc - to me is an illegitimate means of entertainment."

What do you mean here? It is definately not (always) a means of entertainment. Did I misunderstand you?
Reading an article that some guy wrote and posted at the Lycaeum is hardly enough information to pass that judgement if you are in fact interested at all in the topic.
I stated that whether you use any substance and for what reason is strictly up to you.

"This brings up another discussion (perhaps) about whether taking substances outside of their natural means (as food), is a legitimate way to see reality."

Well, I threw you a bone on that one. I suggested that you look into Shamanism and related subjects as a legitimate practice.

If I read an e-mail that some guy wrote to a website about any subject, regardless of his personality, I have learned next to nothing on the subject. Are you really curious as to whether these are legitimate tools?

"If anyone of us thinks himself/herself to be wise, let them become a fool first, that later he/she can become wise in truth.
My point is, if you're going to claim any drug gives you the true answers, then those who are sober would never have the "intelligence" that you have. I have met more intelligent people who don't drink or smoke consume drugs, than those who do partake in substances that are truly considered drugs. (I don't mean to come off as arrogent, but that is the way I feel about it)."

About that fool thing... I'm not sure where to go with that. I did not just arrive at this belief that these drugs hold more meaning than mere entertainment. I wasn't all that interested in drugs as anything more than entertainment, and even then I'd only used shrooms and weed. While seeking, I crossed many paths, this being one of them. I've followed many, and found that they weave together quite nicely.
In fact many of us feel that there is much you can learn with these tools. Can you learn the same things while sober? Perhaps. You can learn a lot while sober. Think now of all the civilizations before ours that have used numerous psychedelics in their rituals. Did they learn things that a sober person couldn't? Definately. How important these things are to you I do not know. I would go so far as to say that over the course of history, sober religions may in fact be far in the minority...

Why are you venting? Didn't you want to discuss this?
What was that other thought you had?
I am not claiming that every kid who smokes freebase DMT will automatically know more than you. (though I can't imagine there are too many who aren't seriously interested in this path. DMT is not easily attainable. It is not fun. To the best of my knowledge it is not recreational by any means, so no, most people who use it aren't just looking to see some freaky aliens...) The uses of these things are quite complicated... For those who seek it is a serious path, and one that should not be dismissed. Like I said, this is serious stuff enter, this isn't old ladies at the congregation eating cookies...

I don't know if you thought I was being hostile... I wasn't. I'm not trying to be hostile in this post either.


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> I have no problems, even Biblically, if someone enjoys eating mushrooms or marijuana. But to take a plant or a grass, with the intention to see elves, aliens, etc - to me is an illegitimate means of entertainment.

Are any of these legitimate forms of entertainment?
- sitting in front of a cathode ray tube projecting onto a phosphorescent screen
- interpreting black marks on white backgrounds
- entering some sort of state, at night, where the body is immobile and conscious experience is not reflecting what the sensory organs are currently exposed to

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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Kid]
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Ahh, Kid. Nice to see you drop by! Heh heh, thanks for the as always dead on stone cold observations... I was beginning to feel like a drug addict. ;)


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Yes, I am in a constant search for truth. I am dedicated to it, I don't think I can do much else at this point. (I've tried... I'll grab a quote here in a minute.) And yes, if I come across something that makes me believe (again) that the use of drugs is in fact nothing more than hallucination and imagination, I would be able to accept that. However, with my knowledge (though admittedly still small) and interest growing in the shamanic (and other) practices, I don't see myself coming to that conclusion any time soon. Plus, I value the power of both hallucination and imagination. (I obviously enjoy it, though it isn't always "fun".)

Do I think that illegal substances are aiding my ability to perceive, interpret, and process the truth? Well, that's a tricky one. It depends on what you call the truth. I personally think it extends beyond any of the singular teachings I've come across... So in essense, I'm still learning of what might be the truth. Much more research is in order, probably with a shaman guide. (it wouldn't be an illegal substance in that case, unless you can reccomend a Shaman in Canada?) ;)
Most of my "study" has been without drugs. I have so far learned most everything that way. I don't believe a drug can just hand you something. You may gain insight, or be presented with something very important and/or spiritual, but I believe there is a science involved in this, a learning process. Therefore, such a guide is preferable to wandering around in the "spirit realm" on your own...
If you give one 16 year old driver a Dodge Viper to learn in, and one a Toyota Corrola, the one in the Viper isn't likely to get anywhere, while the one in the Corrola should be getting around alright. But, give each to an experienced racer and the one in the Viper will be lapping the Corrola in no time... Not to dismiss the power of sober study, but there are some areas where you can really excel with the right "tool".


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Ulysees]
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I don't believe a drug can just hand you something



I would agree. However when it involves something as the sacrement ayahuasca (aye-yah-wah-skah), which I would never call a "drug" - shamans are "given things" in what is known as "shamanic visionary ecstasy". For example, there is a shaman in Peru who was "given" a cure to a disease from a spirit who walked him through the rainforests and showed him which plants (specifically) to use. This is known as "Spirit walking", simliar to other forms of OBE's. Albeit such practices require incredibly pure and amazingly deep intentions.


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Actually, ya, that's kind of what I was talking about. :)
What I meant was if say, your Aunt Bernice partook in the Ayahuasca, she probably wouldn't learn a whole lot, and she probably would never ever forgive the person who gave it to her. (unlesss your Aunt Bernice is into this sort of thing) ;)

But, in the right hand (mind) they can be a very powerful ally.

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imho it would be unforgivable to do such a thing. Riding on the medicine train is not for everybody... and sacrements, being sacred, are never "pushed" on anyone - very bad notion. A real no-no.


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wha? you talkin to me?
there ya go.
loosen that collar there... ;)


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shat.

enter, it's actually nothing like the freebase DMT you read about. You said you read about that story of the man walking through the woods...


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The cure mentioned above involved 5 other plants and a strict dietary regemin to cure diabetes 2. So far 22 people in Peru have been permenantly cured. Serious stuff.


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Ohh... you're lecturing ME about ayahuasca... (I thought that was for enter)
I know all about ayahuasca... maybe not as much as you, as you seem to have been involved in this stuff for awhile, I'm of course still learning. Anyhow, why do you assume you need to inform me of the seriousness of ayahuasca?


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shat again. ;)


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It's a rather serious situation. It's not going public yet. You would have to visit Peru.


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Well it's a tripple shat then. Sorry man... (Boy do I feel stupid)
Shite? Shat on that man. ;) (and why are my smilies still crappy when yours are so spiffy?)

Hmmm. This intrigues me... It's not public you say? Well, I can't head off to Peru just yet (I was thinking about it...).
Speaking of things on the low down, what do you know of the return of Matreiya? (I'm sure that's spelled wrong...)
I just found out about this very interesting, and very important happening...


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Wha? I'm not familiar wit it bro... tell me 'bout it (so curious).


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Alright, hang on, I'll grab a link. (oh ya, I forgot about the other one, well no matter! We're going to the same place!)
Umm, I just learned about this today, but I should be learning a lot more about it soon...


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Ok, here she be:

http://www.ualberta.ca/~tlorentz/homepage.html

I haven't got too deeply into this yet, but I've talked to the guy who put this site up, I think it deserves some investigation. (Espescially since today I found this in a bizzare coincidence... Anyhow I woke up about 24 hours ago on the dot, and wrote something that is very close, in a lot less detail, to some of the things on here... Oh and that was of course before I saw the site or talked to the guy.)

Well, it's not exactly a link... there must be a trick to that I haven't picked up... Me slow sometimes.


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Cool bro, lemme check it out...


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The thing that I wrote is pretty much described on the "Astral Plane" part of the site. That was of course my first stop.

Here's the quote I mentioned before, a pretty accurate description of me. (in the humblest terms.)

"No glamour, no illusion can long hold the man who has set himself the task of treading the razor edged Path which leads through the wilderness, through the thick set forest, through the deep waters of sorrow and distress, through the valley of sacrifice and over the mountains of vision to the gate of Deliverance. He may travel sometimes in the dark (and the illusion of the darkness is very real); he may travel sometimes in a light so dazzling and bewildering that he can scarcely see the way ahead; he may know what it is to falter on the Path, and to drop under the fatigue of service and of strife; he may be temporarily sidetracked and wander down the by-paths of ambition, of self interest and of material enchantment, but the lapse will be but brief." (A Treatise on White Magic, p. 221/3)

I figured I'd pretty much been guided here by something divine, or one bad ass coincidence. ;) Like I said, I'm still looking into it.


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Hey I got the addy bookmarked. I gotta go. Seeya soon. :)

1/0 ~ over and out.


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pineal also secretes adrenoglomerulotropin (aldosterone stimulating hormone), which is very closely related to harmine & harmaline (& also may be why body-builders like Tribulis terrestris, since it seems to noticably raise testosterone levels...)


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> Do you honestly, from your heart, believe you are in a constant search for truth

No. I don't believe that I can absolutely know what Truth is. What I am in search of, in this existence, is rational knowledge about observed phenomena.

> do you believe that illegal substances are aiding your ability to perceive, interpret, and process the truth?

No. I see no reason why substance-induced states of consciousness are any more or less valid than sober ones.

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>No. I see no reason why substance-induced states of consciousness are any more or less valid than sober ones.
Especially true when you consider that no state of mind is not induced by substances. Be they illegal or not, that is an arbitrary definition and has nothing to do with the validity of the experience they induce.
Everything you eat affects you. In more subtle ways than 4 hits of LSD would, for example. But nevertheless, if you eat fish regularly, it will affect you mentally (I don't know how). It's the same thing with vegetables, or meat, or milk. All food contains substances that alter the chemical balance in your brain, and thus alter your perception of reality, and your mode of thinking. Even if, as I said, in a infinetely more suble way than a full-blown psychedelic trip does.
But where such a trip lasts a few hours, you are affected for I-don't-know-how-long by the food you regularly eat.
We can just face it, our body is a chemical/biological machine, it matters what you put into it, as those things will be the basis the machine works on. (BTW. see my post further up the thread if you think I believe us to be no more than machines)


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>Do you personally believe you are a spirit? Also, do you believe that your spirit is eternal and outlives your body?
Yes, very much so. I don't think the possibilities that we are "chemical beings" or "spiritual beings" are mutually exclusive.

What I believe is that the mind is some kind of interface that enables the spirit to "enter", and to a certain degree control, the body. What "I" am right now is the product of a symbiosis between my body and my spirit.

I don't think there is a chicken-and-egg problem with this at all as some seem to believe. Since neither the body nor the spirit is in control, but they influence each other. Or rather influences the mind inbetween.

So a chemical release in the body can trigger a response in the mind, which can affect the spirit if it is a long-term change in the chemical balance (i don't think short adrenalin-releases for example will have much impact on the spirit). The other way around the spirit can influence the mind which then again triggers a chemical release in the body of some kind.

So my opinion on love as a chemical reaction or something spiritual, which I have seen debated many a place, is that it is neither, and both. It is a combination, as most things are.


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Timeleech- I'm thinking in some similar directions... (That the brain is a type of interface, a reciever or sorts...) I find now that what I'm thinking isn't rare by any means, but the way I came upon these ideas was through meditation, and realization... Later that day I found my thoughts confirmed by some things. (I'm just saying this in case someone thinks I'm just jumping around from teaching to teaching, theory to theory.)

Enter- Man, you're quick with your bible! I actually read your comments on the Maitreya before I left, but I was already heading off to bed.
All I can say is: I dunno. :wink: (oh ya, thanks for the referance to the html stuff, I changed my link also...)
If he was a white guy would you have a better chance of believing it?
I like Jesus and all, but I can't accept the fact that it rules out every other religion and every other teaching. I can't accept it just yet anyhow. And this is after I "found" Jesus too... I don't know, maybe I found an imposter. :wink: Ah well, I'm not done learning yet...


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Ya, I hear that. This still leaves me room to look at some other options though.


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>My two cents on humanity?s take on religion: Stop asking for the process and enter the process as an individual. I think you will find a great sense of loneliness while searching for the personality and identity of God, because people are constantly telling us, ?I?ve met God?? and they have theie stories. I concur with Paul?s advice (Paul the Apostle): Let every one of you sort out his/her own salvation with fear and trembling.

Well, I agree with this in particular. What I meant by being able to look at more options is:
I don't believe that just accepting a deity is the way to go... So, I'm open then not only to Christianity (or the various related religions) but to a wider array of religions and practices.
Here's something I think of, which may not be clear, or right:
If you want to be a follower of Einstein, you read and research everything he did, and stay true to that. But, if you want to be like Einstein (more or less) you move ahead into new and challenging territory. We have learned much since the Bible was written, we have experienced much. Why not move forward into new things, be one of those who are pushing back the darkness (in a way of course), instead of like the rest who just follow the old ways... We're all doing it to a degree. There was a practice, I don't remember what it was called, but if your husband died before you concieved a child, the husbands father was supposed to impregnate you. Well, we've all moved past that, haven't we? It was in the bible. We also have new methods and new ideas and new ways of learning and "being spiritual". I prefer to forge ahead rather than lag behind, even if I sometimes get lost or stumble.
(Not to belittle the bible, but I prefer this path. Besides, one day there might be a new Bible written, maybe when Christ returns. If Christ comes back do you think he would implement all those old, outdated practices? I hope not. If you died before your wife concieved, do you think Christ would come over and make your father "give her a child"? Things are always changing...)


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About the white guy thing - that's medieval art from white artists. You know if you watch a medieval movie from the fifties - they have 1950's hairstyles?!? Favorite line from Men in Shorts - Robin Hood (making fun of, hmm, some concurent R.H. flic) says sumthin like, "at least I'm a Robin Hood who speaks with a british accent" ahhaha...

I gotta Q? Could the second coming of Christ appear in 1,000,000,000 bodies, or, does scripture spicifically with good clarity write he shall return as one and only one man?

See, there is a local writer here where I live in the deep south, former land of black slavery - (it's been a while so I can't bremember his name) who wrote a book spurred on by the hypocracy of the churches here (he was a minister and that was his view). In his book the second coming of Christ was a black woman! Hollywood bought the copyright for a nice chunk of change.

So whadda ya know bout it? I like to think Christ returns in everyone who understands inside them his teachings (not messiah complexes please). Does this make any sense?


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AH haha hahhah. I might be thinking of a different book/movie though. (The Stand). I didn't know Steven King was a minister. :wink:

Anyhoo, what did you think of that Maitreya stuff oneoverzero?


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oh ya, and about the other stuff, I think I'm in agreeance...


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I don't know what to think about him, but, I do like the esoteric hyperlinks. I'll be reading up more there. Gotta get into paper & ink stuff too, not to mention writing a manual for a local corp.

I clearly recall a G.O.P candidate professor in my masters program predicting (umm, right about now?) there will be sooo much information it wont be a matter of What to read/watch/study, rather it will be a matter of managing time to sort through the 15,000 channels of 24hr/day info. See? ya.


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@enter: I am not sure. That's a question I haven't looked into. Until now...
Right now, spontaneously I think it might have to manifest physically every once in a while. maybe the "items" that nourish the spirit is the experience it gains from living a physical life. I don't think it can be directly compared though, and I don't think the spirit really needs the physical life. Maybe human spirits.

A logical, but equally abstract answer would be energy. Where the spirit drains its energy from though, I don't know. As for how long it is sustianable I have no idea, but I have been thinking about the possibility that ther is an even higher component of the spirit, and that our spirit also goes through a death-transformation. This might sound like a simplification, but it's not easy coming up with novel philosophical/spiritual ideas at 6:24 in the morning :smile:
Fractals seem to be the best model for reality to me, and the pattern in a fractal can repeat endlessly. Sometimes it disapears for a long time, only to suddenly show up in  a completely new enviroment. It's just another way of saying "as above, so below".

Actually, maybe there is nothing more than the will that keeps the spirit alive. Once the will to live fades, the spirit softly fades into the background and disintegrates.

I will have to think about this one thoug, highly interesting! What do you think? Since you seem to agree so much with me I would be highly interested in your view on this matter.


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They think they are going to live in heaven. The Apostle John and Jesus Himself clearly taught that we will live on the Earth (with the exception of the rising-up (ie rapture) of the saints during the period of the Tribulation.



You call it the rapture, I call it ascension. Either way we are both looking at the same thing through different eyes.
I agree with Ulysees in part about the Bible. Although much of it is literal and true, there is much that has been altered to suit the desires of the Church. The Bible was written some 2,000 years ago, for men to understand at the time. We have progressed much in that time and many new prophecies are available to us. I am not bashing on the Bible I am only suggesting to not limit yourself to just that. You yourself said a third of the Bible is prophecies.. I believe another third is metaphors and another third is contradictions. While the original idea of the Bible was pure in intention, throughout the years it has been drastically altered and edited. Even today there are countless different versions of the Bible many of which contradict what the others are saying.
There are more current versions of "God's Word" available, which are written for today's man.

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Enter:
haha, well, where there is resonance the two waveforms can either re-inforce, or decrease the total amplitude. if they are completely out of sync the result is quite random and gets levelled out to a flat line. When are breaktrhoughs most likely to happen you think? :smile:

My answers are honest, but beware, I can give off ten contradicting answers, and each and every one of them are honest. I have a theory for Life, the Universe, and everything for every occasion & mood :smile:

And don't worry about me staying around, I will be here talking to myself long after everybody else has left :laugh:


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Sorry if I came off so strongly, that wasn't really my intention. I remember our previous conversation, I had forgotten about it, but for you I will dig up a Bible and find some scriptures for you.
I'm not trying to pick a fight. I definetely respect your opinion.. though sometimes we need some controversy, it is all in good fun.

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I read the book. Mmm I was seeking scripture about his return. I know he was God in flesh, no doubt about it. Still can you guide me to scripture about his return... alls I know is we shall not know the time nor day. I ponder the way... Christ (to me) has a new terminology that works for me. The Viable Ascended Christform - implys a body of love-energy rather than flesh as of today and since his ascention. Shall he *gasp* descend to earth in flesh? (ascend implys descend) or what is it I'm missing here? Will it be as before? Born of a new virgin? I'm really confused, but wanna learn...


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I believe it is something along the lines of when Christ returns, it will not be in physical form, but he will be one with God for all to see to pick up his people and give them a lift during the cataclysms while everyone else suffers. Something along those lines....I guess I'm gonna have to buy a Bible because I cant find mine. Revelations is my favorite.

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Enter what is your take on all of the crazy stories in Revelations such as when the 10 headed beast comes from the sea and with him comes a swarm of locusts from a puff of smoke wearing crowns of gold controlled by their king Apollyon.. and those scorpions with huge stingers that will torment men for six months as even death eludes them, while the seven seals are being opened as the seven trumpets are sound and all that crazy shit?
I think its a metaphor for whats going on right now on Earth. We are living the book of Revelations right now, and thats one very colorful way of describing it (the way its described in the book I mean)
I really want to know what you think, I've read the Bible a couple times and that is by far my favorite book, talk about a story..

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Shroomism, I agree with the metaphoical outlook on some of these things. Of course if all that stuff does happen, I will gladly eat my words, and run like hell. :wink:


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Re: enter REVELATIONS is on my agenda. And actually (to me) it makes sense. The seeminly abstract terminolgy is actually quite concrete in my comprehension.

I agree we are in the last chapter today. The Apacolypse is happening now. However something I will not bend on is those prophesy hold an inherent flexiblity to them, that is to say, these things shall come to pass - just not exactly as described. This gives us a local dimension or realm of action within which we can affect change.


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However something I will not bend on is those prophesy hold an inherent flexiblity to them, that is to say, these things shall come to pass - just not exactly as described. This gives us a local dimension or realm of action within which we can affect change.



Agreed. I think the prophecies are one possible scenario if things were to continue on the same path, though there are many different paths and we have only to choose a different one.

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It's like a BIG OL NEON SIGN flashing blazingly bright, yet the "blind" see it not. Those who SEE know what I'm talking about. Ya know what I'm talking about? (hehe).


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I do want to add that I STRONGLY disagree with the notion that the details in The Revelation are now occurring. If that stuff starts happening, you will be members of a cast in a movie with a Director you can't see, and you will wonder if He loves you or is going to send destruction to you. It will not be pretty. (I'm sorry I'm even bringing this up, but you guys did ask).



Funny that you mention that, but lately I feel like I have been in a movie with an unseen director and the current state of affairs on Earth is not very pretty by societies standards.
Alright perfect chance for a debate! Now I'm going to HAVE to get a Bible so I can point out all of the current parallels that coincide with chapters from the book so that you can tell me how wrong I am and why it is not that way after all so that I can retaliate with a scripture from the bible and so and and so forth ad naseum. Fun fun fun!

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Chist loves me too, I can vouch my death on that. Erm, my finglys don't have spell checker and these dang QWERTYUIOP keyboards are not ergonomically designed. I don't mind a few typo's here and there unless the post accidently says something REALLY counter to what my finglys were a'tryin ta rappidy tappidy out. :laugh:


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Ah thank you my good man.
I'll just put some of my opinions in parenthesis.
Lets start with......this


I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!"
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I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.
(Can you say Bin Laden?)
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When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, "Come!"
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Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword.
(Hello Mr. George Bush Jr!)

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When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.
(Colin Powell)

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Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart[1] of wheat for a day's wages,[2] and three quarts of barley for a day's wages,[3] and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
(Ok we'll give you food as long as you keep giving us oil)

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When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!"
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I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
(The four horsemen have arrived!)

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When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.
(Jihad!!)

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They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?"
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Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.
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I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red,
(Hey dont blow up our World Trade Center)

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and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.
(World Trade Center)

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The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
(Damn terrorists)

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Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.
(Pussies!)

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They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
(Oh shit we fucked with America now they are after us)

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For the great day of their wrath has come
and who can stand?
(Turn over Bin Laden or you die)


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It only gets better...


After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.
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Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea:
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"Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God."
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Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
(Keeping in mind that 22 billion years ago 144,000 souls from the constellation of Lyra were exiled to Earth in order to repay karmic debts)

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From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben 12,000, from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
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from the tribe of Asher 12,000, from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000, from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
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from the tribe of Simeon 12,000, from the tribe of Levi 12,000, from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
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from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000, from the tribe of Joseph 12,000, from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.
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After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.
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And they cried out in a loud voice: "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."
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All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
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saying: "Amen! Praise and glory and wisdom and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God for ever and ever. Amen!"
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Then one of the elders asked me, "These in white robes--who are they, and where did they come from?"
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I answered, "Sir, you know." And he said, "These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
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Therefore, "they are before the throne of God and serve him day and night in his temple; and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.
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Never again will they hunger; never again will they thirst. The sun will not beat upon them, nor any scorching heat.
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For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd; he will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."

(Because we have just entered into the 4th dimension)

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It's kind of tough to say wether or not these things are related... Those things could have been applied many times over by now (and they probably have been by some people, we're not the first people to face war) yet it didn't quite happen... If something really big happens, like nuclear holocaust or whatever it was you were talking about, then it'll be easier to tell... :wink: I think.


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Oh, but I think you might be right about that stuff, I'm just not sure if this is it... know what I mean?


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Sorry I jumped the gun on the 12th planet passing... this is when it will take place in Chapter 8


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Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake.
(The first effects of our planet being passed by a celestial body 3 times the mass of Earth)

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Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.
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The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.
(All those falling debris cause some damage eh?)

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The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood,
(Volcanos erupting as a result of the pole shift)

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a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.
(Yep volcanos will do that)


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The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water--
(Debris from the 12th planet enters into the Earth's atmosphere)

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the name of the star is Wormwood.[1] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.
(The piece of debris contains high quantities of Mercury, which is not good for drinking)

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The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.
(As the 12th planet passes, the Earth will stop rotation for several days, leaving night on one side and day on the other)


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This is where it gets interesting


As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: "Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!"

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The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.
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When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss.
(The dust cloud created by the planet's stopped rotation will darken out the sun)

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And out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like that of scorpions of the earth.
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They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads.
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They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man.
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During those days men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death will elude them.
(It will suck for a lot of people to be learning how to survive on their own without modern conveniences)

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The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled human faces.
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Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like lions' teeth.
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They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle.
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They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails they had power to torment people for five months.
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They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek, Apollyon.[1]
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The first woe is past; two other woes are yet to come.
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The sixth angel sounded his trumpet, and I heard a voice coming from the horns[2] of the golden altar that is before God.
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It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates."
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And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind.
(Not everyone can survive such a tragic event you know)

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The number of the mounted troops was two hundred million. I heard their number.
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The horses and riders I saw in my vision looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur. The heads of the horses resembled the heads of lions, and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur.
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A third of mankind was killed by the three plagues of fire, smoke and sulfur that came out of their mouths.
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The power of the horses was in their mouths and in their tails; for their tails were like snakes, having heads with which they inflict injury.
(Without proper medical treatment, minor wounds can become serious issues)

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The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood--idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
(These people after all this are still trying to use money to get things, tsk)

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Nor did they repent of their murders, their magic arts, their sexual immorality or their thefts.
(Hmm they must have chosen service-to-self)

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>>However, that was the most distorted interpretation of The Revelation that I have EVER heard.

Oh come now, have you ever seen the evangalists on TV? Besides what do you expect from me after a night of no sleep and a ten minute browsing of Revelations.

Is "The beginning of the End" a series of books? If so I think I have all of them. My grandmother gave them to me and I read most of the first one. Tell you what..I'll read that if you read "The Final Quest" by Rick Joyner and "The Third Millenium" By Ken Carey. You'll like them both I promise

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Yeah I didn't like how James Redfield presented his visions...it's like he wants to scare people into his religion or something.
I like some movies...what art thou thinking?

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I got one of those Left Behind books for Christmas last year from my ex-girlfriends parents but I didn't read it because I felt like they were trying to scare me into being a Christian... I might give it a go now.

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Left Behind huh... That does sound wierd... (sounds kind of like drug scare tactics.)


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quit trying to scare people into christianity...


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Oh! well in that case, carry on...

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i'm sure you saw what happened to my last thread...

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So what do you want me to do about it?

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Me too..goodnight

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yeeahh! Burning the midnight oil! (I couldn't type the Pauly Shoer-esque accent I was going for...)


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Back to my previous engagements... g'night


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Hidden meanings in the bible... turned into a music discussion. I didn't care but I was really hoping to get people to talk about the bible in some way, because I just started to read it again. You guys took care of that in here tonight...

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oh ya, that music discussion thing... That was another incoherent babbling wasn't it? (I don't know how far it went after I left.)
Good thread. A shame it was to lose it.


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It's still a good thread, kinda like watching drunk guys have fun in a bar. I'll stop with this now before I mess up this thread too much. :wink:

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Well, even though everyone is gone (except perhaps you Smack) I'm going to throw something out here, and maybe swing it back on track a little.

>Esotericism defines God as the sum total of all the Laws, and all the energies governed by these Laws which make up everything in the manifested and unmanifested universe--all that we see and cannot see. God is also the great Cosmic Being who ensouls this planet.

>Man, in turn, is a 'Spark of God', a spiritual being expressing itself through a physical body. Each one of us is essentially divine but, compared to the saints and sages of all religions, most individuals recognize and demonstrate this divinity only to a limited degree.

There, right back on topic. :wink:


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Yeah, and I am going to sum it all nicely up, Lo and Behold, the conclusion of the thread though beholdst is about to be reveal'd:
Conlusion: (drumroll): The Bible is open to interpretation.

A great feat of human reasoning and debate has been conducted here, now all the participants need rest, so back off everybody, let them pass through.
That's all for today folks, thanks for enjoying the show. Now scuttle off, there you go nice folk, nothing more to see here.


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In reply to:

Conlusion: (drumroll): The Bible is open to interpretation.



Thank you..that's all I was waiting for

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Hey you guys, get back on topic! I brought you this, now read! :laugh:

>Esotericism defines God as the sum total of all the Laws, and all the energies governed by these Laws which make up everything in the manifested and unmanifested universe--all that we see and cannot see. God is also the great Cosmic Being who ensouls this planet.

>Man, in turn, is a 'Spark of God', a spiritual being expressing itself through a physical body. Each one of us is essentially divine but, compared to the saints and sages of all religions, most individuals recognize and demonstrate this divinity only to a limited degree.

It's from that esoteric philosophy page...


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Well, here is something I woke up and wrote on thrusday maorning.

I think I've caught a glimpse of what's hidden from sight. There is life that exists everywhere, throughout everything. This life that exists everywhere is the matrix.

I believe that our brains are like a high tech receiver that is picking up this matrix. It resonates on the neural interface and we eventually learn to channel it. Our brains do not create thought at all, a computer chip many times more powerful than a brain could not produce thought either. But a chip designed to process the frequency of the matrix could harbour thought.

Does this explain the feelings that I have? Can this be? Is this matrix flowing through everything but only being harnessed by brains? Is the brain of an animal pickung up the same matrix, just less efficiently than us?
We are one. We are everything. We are life.

This also tends to shed some light on, or at least compliment the basic evolution theory. The most efficient methods and brains and various inner workings of the brains, have through natural selection led to our current design. Still, there is much variation in the design, and we are still changing.

Your thoughts and feelings are like downloaded songs. You start a basic collection and build a foundation. Eventually you have a rather large collection. These are all chemically stored, not as whole recreations as a song would be, but a chemical corresponing to the feeling the original experience created. It is on this basic code that we build our egos.
Every new idea or thing you see, hear, or feel, you compare to your collection. If you like it, you add it, if you don't, your reaction will be negative. This negative reaction is nothing more than negative reinforcement through chemical manipulation. The positive reinforcement is a chemical released to stimulate pleasure.

This explains jealousy, hate, fear, envy, curiousity... All the human emotions.
This is what creates the problems of society. Be wise and build a varied collection. (A prime example of a collection that is too linear is racism. When a redneck white guy, who's been building his redneck white guy collection of thoughts and behaviours all his life, first sees a black man, it is negative reinforcement by chemical activation. The degree of hatred and anger this man reacts with is directly linked to the degree of variation and room for new ideas this man harbours in his chemical storage.)

---- So, I woke up early in the morning, wrote that, then went back to sleep. I got up awhile later, went to an appointment at my school, where the teacher told me to go on a computer and check the University site. I did, and I fell right into the Esoteric Philosophy page I have linked to before. While I haven't yet studied it too deeply, it seems to be based on some of the same ideas...


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I feel that the practice of applying a chemical to the neural interface (which is chemical in nature) in order to perceive different things and interact with things on other levels, is a wholly legitimate practice.


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I am a spirit form residing inside a compilation of chemicals embodied on Earth. We make a pretty good team.

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I'm not saying that I'm only chemical, I'll try and lay it out better...

I am the holy spirit. I am the matrix. There is a body which is being manipulated on the earthly plane, and that body I now see as not myself at all, nor the container of my spirit, but a chemical cocktail that is used as a tool. Too many people associate themselves as being those chemicals. They think: "I am ______ and I am practicing _______ so that I can get in touch with _______." I used to think, "I am ______ and I am a Canadian..." but now I realize that the body is not me at all, but just a familiar tool.
Do you see what I mean now?


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The spirit is everywhere. The spirit is everything. It does not need sustanance, because it is sustanance...

To say that I am the matrix is to say that I am life, not that I give answers. You are the matrix as well, everyone and everything is. It is the same as the "circle of life".


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I think you're wrong there... We are not all seperate spirits... hmmm, the only way I think you might see this is through trancendal (sp?) meditation, or through an ego dissolving psychedelic experience. Then you could see that you are everything that ever was and ever will be... (Of course that doesn't give "you" a lot of power, the chemical storage that you think is your identity and your will is meaningless in this regard. "You" could never swing the power, because to do so you'd have to transcend, and when in transcendance you are no longer "you" anymore...).

>Christians who are of the opinion that it is not given to anyone to try and emulate Jesus' accomplishment (who, as far as they are concerned, is God or, at least, His only Son) are contradicted by his own words:

"Become perfect even as the Father in Heaven is perfect."
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"Greater things than I have done shall you do."

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Enter, no offence, but you are totally missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not talking about your chemical body, I'm talking about the spirit, the matrix, that is us.
Not any of this stuff:

>If you are me, tough guy, than why do we use different names? How come you didn't know I existed until we met at The Shroomery a couple decades after we were born?
If you are me, why is my history different from yours?
If you are me, why do I truly believe that Jesus is the Messiah and you don't?
If you are me, why do you use different thinking processes and different word combinations in your sentences?
If you are me, why do I have two completely different parents than you?
If you are me, why did we grow up in completely different cities and states?
If you are me, why are we talking to each and arguing????



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I understand that you think that's the truth, just as I think that blah blah blah is the truth. (Didn't feel like typing it all up again...)
If my (and others) theory is correct, then what you think you are right now is nothing more than a bunch of chemical induced "memories" and feelings. That's not to say that you are only a machine, quite the opposite, your body is just a "vessel" for the spirit to work. When people live in their "minds" they isolate themselves from the spirit.


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I'm too tired to make a full post, but I need to see if my icon is working. I will say this..
We are all individual spirits, but we are all connected to the same web of life. We are all a part of the same spirit (Creation) and each individual is just Creation's way of experiencing and expressing life in different ways. In the end, there is only one spirit. Think of it as a single entity, with 6 billion ways of expressing itself. (on Earth)

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ya... I think I might agree. (?)
The only thing I don't like is that you seem so entirely convinced that you are right...


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From my perspective I am right ;)

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Once when on acid, someone asked me "Who are you?".
"Everything" I said, some hours later.


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Once when on acid, i asked myself, what am[/i} I?
"Nothing" I said, some nano-seconds later.

mmm, I guess I didn't go through the singularity that was created by the ever-narrowing spiral that was created as I follows each of my thoughts to their origin. It was a bit like pulling the plug in the bathtub and just feeling everyghing run out.

And with this I think I say thank you for an interesting thread. It kind of died for me with all the bible-lingo. But thanks to you, enter, for making me think a bit about what my spirit needs to sustain itself.


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Not accepted by the Scientific Community? That's a big surprise. A couple hundred years ago they knew the Earth was flat.. oh sorry lets not get into that.
It was the masses that believed the earth was flat. Scientific observation proved otherwise. Colombus knew the earth was round in 1492 and many others discovered that much earlier. Your two hundred years is way off the mark, but to hell with facts.

I will never understand your disdain for science, when you drive a car, use electricity, computers, refrigerators, medicine etc. Your hypocracy is quite amazing.


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: gnrm23]
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Though these authors are physicists (most notably - older ones who are perhaps fearing their mortality) and try hard to link the soul to physics, there is no direct link. For example, read Gary Zukav (sp?). He makes many claims about the soul, yet makes not one single statement of where he got this infomation. He presents his beliefs as fact with nothing to back them up.


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Swami]
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Actually I was 600 years off the mark, but to hell with the facts.
I have no disdain for science, Swami. I do however have a mild prejudice towards those who try to explain spirituality with science, such as stating that it is nonsense, and that it does not hold true to science. This is a fault of mine I know, one that I am trying to rid myself of.
I embrace science, while maintaining my spiritual awareness. It does upset me at times when people such as you debunk everything I say in the name of science. I tend to become cynical and egotistical, which I do not like. If you want to debate science I don't think the spirituality and philosophy board is the appropriate place to do so. While spirituality and science should meet on the same wavelength, they are definetely not, and as of this moment, seperate. Though we see things from entirely different perspectives, it would be nice it we could find a common ground...but that takes effort from both sides.

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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: ]
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Though I must add that I thouroughly enjoy debating with you, I find it enthralling.

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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Sounds so familiar. I'll get this book if I can.


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Ulysees]
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About the Matrix:

Based on the holomonic brain theory, the brain's visual cortex via the vestibular system (both hearing and sight connected) are analyzers of audio and visual domains. the work of Karl Pribram (neurophysiogist) and David Bohm (physicist) spawned the Holographic Theory: Where the brain is a holographic analyzer, and the universe a hologram [Matrix].

I remember discussing this way way back

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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
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Umm, I think I remember what you're refering to... was I on the right track? The wrong track? Help me out here man...


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Ulysees]
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Oh man, I am not retyping it again! You lazy butt, do a search on the forum! :)

You can do google searches on Karl Pribram and David Bohm.

There's a book called "Holographic Universe", by Michael Talbot. YOu should be able to find it at a public library.

Yes, you're on the right track with the Matrix minus the technical ramifications of the above progenitors.

Here's a tidbit:

The visual system of the brain is actually a forier (sp?) analyzer. Meaning, the system is translating visual domains to forier mathematical equations. Experiments have been done to comfirm this. An analyzer machine that converts complex visual domains (ie: ballerina dancing) into sine wave patterns. The brain is doing the exactly the same thing as the machine.


KtP
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
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Thanks man. :smile:


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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
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The best book ever:

The Holotropic Mind
by Stanislav Grof


Stanisav Graf was an entrepeneur in psycognitive analysis. He did experiments starting from the late 1950's using LSD to potentiate psychactive experiences as a form of subconcscious analysis. He is a bit of god in the flesh.

Read this book!!!

Also: LSD Psychotherapy by Stanislav Graf


Joshua


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The Shroomery Bookstore

Great books for inquiring minds!

"Life After Death is Saprophytic!"

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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: ]
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I enjoyed reading through this thread. Quite a few intresting links and books mentioned also, thanks :smile: The comparing of the bible and current events (WTC) was the one thing I actually disliked.. peace, though, shroomism. :wink:


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Melic  :tongue:

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