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#474492 - 11/30/01 06:05 AM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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pineal also secretes adrenoglomerulotropin (aldosterone stimulating hormone), which is very closely related to harmine & harmaline (& also may be why body-builders like Tribulis terrestris, since it seems to noticably raise testosterone levels...)
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
#474536 - 11/30/01 08:37 AM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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> Do you honestly, from your heart, believe you are in a constant search for truth
No. I don't believe that I can absolutely know what Truth is. What I am in search of, in this existence, is rational knowledge about observed phenomena.
> do you believe that illegal substances are aiding your ability to perceive, interpret, and process the truth?
No. I see no reason why substance-induced states of consciousness are any more or less valid than sober ones.
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Kid]
#474727 - 11/30/01 11:44 AM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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>No. I see no reason why substance-induced states of consciousness are any more or less valid than sober ones.
Especially true when you consider that no state of mind is not induced by substances. Be they illegal or not, that is an arbitrary definition and has nothing to do with the validity of the experience they induce.
Everything you eat affects you. In more subtle ways than 4 hits of LSD would, for example. But nevertheless, if you eat fish regularly, it will affect you mentally (I don't know how). It's the same thing with vegetables, or meat, or milk. All food contains substances that alter the chemical balance in your brain, and thus alter your perception of reality, and your mode of thinking. Even if, as I said, in a infinetely more suble way than a full-blown psychedelic trip does.
But where such a trip lasts a few hours, you are affected for I-don't-know-how-long by the food you regularly eat.
We can just face it, our body is a chemical/biological machine, it matters what you put into it, as those things will be the basis the machine works on. (BTW. see my post further up the thread if you think I believe us to be no more than machines)
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Timeleech]
#474765 - 11/30/01 12:19 PM (22 years, 10 days ago) |
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
#474968 - 11/30/01 03:04 PM (22 years, 9 days ago) |
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>Do you personally believe you are a spirit? Also, do you believe that your spirit is eternal and outlives your body?
Yes, very much so. I don't think the possibilities that we are "chemical beings" or "spiritual beings" are mutually exclusive.
What I believe is that the mind is some kind of interface that enables the spirit to "enter", and to a certain degree control, the body. What "I" am right now is the product of a symbiosis between my body and my spirit.
I don't think there is a chicken-and-egg problem with this at all as some seem to believe. Since neither the body nor the spirit is in control, but they influence each other. Or rather influences the mind inbetween.
So a chemical release in the body can trigger a response in the mind, which can affect the spirit if it is a long-term change in the chemical balance (i don't think short adrenalin-releases for example will have much impact on the spirit). The other way around the spirit can influence the mind which then again triggers a chemical release in the body of some kind.
So my opinion on love as a chemical reaction or something spiritual, which I have seen debated many a place, is that it is neither, and both. It is a combination, as most things are.
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Timeleech]
#475138 - 11/30/01 05:46 PM (22 years, 9 days ago) |
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Timeleech- I'm thinking in some similar directions... (That the brain is a type of interface, a reciever or sorts...) I find now that what I'm thinking isn't rare by any means, but the way I came upon these ideas was through meditation, and realization... Later that day I found my thoughts confirmed by some things. (I'm just saying this in case someone thinks I'm just jumping around from teaching to teaching, theory to theory.)
Enter- Man, you're quick with your bible! I actually read your comments on the Maitreya before I left, but I was already heading off to bed.
All I can say is: I dunno.  (oh ya, thanks for the referance to the html stuff, I changed my link also...)
If he was a white guy would you have a better chance of believing it?
I like Jesus and all, but I can't accept the fact that it rules out every other religion and every other teaching. I can't accept it just yet anyhow. And this is after I "found" Jesus too... I don't know, maybe I found an imposter. Ah well, I'm not done learning yet...
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Ulysees]
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Timeleech]
#475282 - 11/30/01 08:06 PM (22 years, 9 days ago) |
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#475313 - 11/30/01 08:26 PM (22 years, 9 days ago) |
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Ya, I hear that. This still leaves me room to look at some other options though.
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Ulysees]
#475339 - 11/30/01 08:52 PM (22 years, 9 days ago) |
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
#475391 - 11/30/01 09:32 PM (22 years, 9 days ago) |
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>My two cents on humanity?s take on religion: Stop asking for the process and enter the process as an individual. I think you will find a great sense of loneliness while searching for the personality and identity of God, because people are constantly telling us, ?I?ve met God?? and they have theie stories. I concur with Paul?s advice (Paul the Apostle): Let every one of you sort out his/her own salvation with fear and trembling.
Well, I agree with this in particular. What I meant by being able to look at more options is:
I don't believe that just accepting a deity is the way to go... So, I'm open then not only to Christianity (or the various related religions) but to a wider array of religions and practices.
Here's something I think of, which may not be clear, or right:
If you want to be a follower of Einstein, you read and research everything he did, and stay true to that. But, if you want to be like Einstein (more or less) you move ahead into new and challenging territory. We have learned much since the Bible was written, we have experienced much. Why not move forward into new things, be one of those who are pushing back the darkness (in a way of course), instead of like the rest who just follow the old ways... We're all doing it to a degree. There was a practice, I don't remember what it was called, but if your husband died before you concieved a child, the husbands father was supposed to impregnate you. Well, we've all moved past that, haven't we? It was in the bible. We also have new methods and new ideas and new ways of learning and "being spiritual". I prefer to forge ahead rather than lag behind, even if I sometimes get lost or stumble.
(Not to belittle the bible, but I prefer this path. Besides, one day there might be a new Bible written, maybe when Christ returns. If Christ comes back do you think he would implement all those old, outdated practices? I hope not. If you died before your wife concieved, do you think Christ would come over and make your father "give her a child"? Things are always changing...)
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Ulysees]
#475408 - 11/30/01 09:51 PM (22 years, 9 days ago) |
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About the white guy thing - that's medieval art from white artists. You know if you watch a medieval movie from the fifties - they have 1950's hairstyles?!? Favorite line from Men in Shorts - Robin Hood (making fun of, hmm, some concurent R.H. flic) says sumthin like, "at least I'm a Robin Hood who speaks with a british accent" ahhaha...
I gotta Q? Could the second coming of Christ appear in 1,000,000,000 bodies, or, does scripture spicifically with good clarity write he shall return as one and only one man?
See, there is a local writer here where I live in the deep south, former land of black slavery - (it's been a while so I can't bremember his name) who wrote a book spurred on by the hypocracy of the churches here (he was a minister and that was his view). In his book the second coming of Christ was a black woman! Hollywood bought the copyright for a nice chunk of change.
So whadda ya know bout it? I like to think Christ returns in everyone who understands inside them his teachings (not messiah complexes please). Does this make any sense?
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#475426 - 11/30/01 10:04 PM (22 years, 9 days ago) |
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AH haha hahhah. I might be thinking of a different book/movie though. (The Stand). I didn't know Steven King was a minister.
Anyhoo, what did you think of that Maitreya stuff oneoverzero?
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Ulysees]
#475428 - 11/30/01 10:06 PM (22 years, 9 days ago) |
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oh ya, and about the other stuff, I think I'm in agreeance...
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Ulysees]
#475451 - 11/30/01 10:22 PM (22 years, 9 days ago) |
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I don't know what to think about him, but, I do like the esoteric hyperlinks. I'll be reading up more there. Gotta get into paper & ink stuff too, not to mention writing a manual for a local corp.
I clearly recall a G.O.P candidate professor in my masters program predicting (umm, right about now?) there will be sooo much information it wont be a matter of What to read/watch/study, rather it will be a matter of managing time to sort through the 15,000 channels of 24hr/day info. See? ya.
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
#475460 - 11/30/01 10:28 PM (22 years, 9 days ago) |
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@enter: I am not sure. That's a question I haven't looked into. Until now...
Right now, spontaneously I think it might have to manifest physically every once in a while. maybe the "items" that nourish the spirit is the experience it gains from living a physical life. I don't think it can be directly compared though, and I don't think the spirit really needs the physical life. Maybe human spirits.
A logical, but equally abstract answer would be energy. Where the spirit drains its energy from though, I don't know. As for how long it is sustianable I have no idea, but I have been thinking about the possibility that ther is an even higher component of the spirit, and that our spirit also goes through a death-transformation. This might sound like a simplification, but it's not easy coming up with novel philosophical/spiritual ideas at 6:24 in the morning 
Fractals seem to be the best model for reality to me, and the pattern in a fractal can repeat endlessly. Sometimes it disapears for a long time, only to suddenly show up in a completely new enviroment. It's just another way of saying "as above, so below".
Actually, maybe there is nothing more than the will that keeps the spirit alive. Once the will to live fades, the spirit softly fades into the background and disintegrates.
I will have to think about this one thoug, highly interesting! What do you think? Since you seem to agree so much with me I would be highly interested in your view on this matter.
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Ulysees]
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: oneoverzero]
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Timeleech]
#475522 - 11/30/01 11:33 PM (22 years, 9 days ago) |
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
#475531 - 11/30/01 11:43 PM (22 years, 9 days ago) |
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In reply to:
They think they are going to live in heaven. The Apostle John and Jesus Himself clearly taught that we will live on the Earth (with the exception of the rising-up (ie rapture) of the saints during the period of the Tribulation.
You call it the rapture, I call it ascension. Either way we are both looking at the same thing through different eyes.
I agree with Ulysees in part about the Bible. Although much of it is literal and true, there is much that has been altered to suit the desires of the Church. The Bible was written some 2,000 years ago, for men to understand at the time. We have progressed much in that time and many new prophecies are available to us. I am not bashing on the Bible I am only suggesting to not limit yourself to just that. You yourself said a third of the Bible is prophecies.. I believe another third is metaphors and another third is contradictions. While the original idea of the Bible was pure in intention, throughout the years it has been drastically altered and edited. Even today there are countless different versions of the Bible many of which contradict what the others are saying.
There are more current versions of "God's Word" available, which are written for today's man.
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