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#473951 - 11/29/01 06:41 PM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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CHAKRAS
http://www.geocities.com/genijezz/chakras.htm
PINEAL GLAND
http://www.saginaw.k12.mi.us/~mobility/pineal.htm
THE PINEAL GLAND, LSD, and SEROTONIN
http://taolodge.com.tw/pineal.html
THE PINEAL GLAND: THE BRIDGE BETWEEN THE PHYSICAL and SPIRITUAL REALITY
http://www.alphaomega.se/english/pineal.html
PINEAL POWER
THE MIRACLE CURES OF THE THIRD EYE:
New Science Paradigms For Somagenic & Somajetic Medicine (also includes interesting info on Harmala/Harmaline)
http://phoenix.akasha.de/~aton/PINEALpower.html
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: KeepAskingTime]
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
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Ulysees
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
#474304 - 11/30/01 12:36 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Your loss man. Depending on what you're looking for, you can find great insight through certain chemicals and rituals. (Though it's much different than say reading the bible or hearing a lecture.) I agree that one might not want to base their whole "career" around that though, lest they end up wondering "was all that just a hallucination?".
If you want to look into it further, maybe put the conclusion that it's just an illegtimate form of entertainment on hold, I suggest you read up on shamanism and related topics. After reading a description of DMT I don't think you're learned enough to make that judgement...
The choice is yours of course. Your path may not involve such things.
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Ulysees]
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#474346 - 11/30/01 01:56 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I havn't read the book (no real need to at the moment... - got Tibetan Mystiscism to explore now), however Art Bell's website has an interview (few hours) with Dr. Strassman I found interesting. His Zen community frowned when the grant phased into searching for DMT-antagonists. He ended his reasearch there (thank God). imho Spirit-... is quite appropriate for the title.
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
#474361 - 11/30/01 02:23 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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I do not smoke pot, and rarely drink alcohol socially. And never drink and drive! It's not a DUI that scares me - it's crashing into another person that scares me. Sober = stone cold confidence and stability.
I'll tell you a funny little story, long ago when I tried psilocybin mushrooms for the first time - one of the most profound visions I had was seeing the face of Christ... and coming to the full realization (as a religious experience) that I was an Alive and Growing being. LSD also opened my eyes, as a pupil, in the eyes of God. That said, I can say, "I Know Why" 
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
#474373 - 11/30/01 02:45 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Enter, I probably have read that, and whether that guy was brilliant or not is beside the point.
"This brings up another discussion (perhaps) about whether taking substances outside of their natural means (as food), is a legitimate way to see reality.
I have no problems, even Biblically, if someone enjoys eating mushrooms or marijuana. But to take a plant or a grass, with the intention to see elves, aliens, etc - to me is an illegitimate means of entertainment."
What do you mean here? It is definately not (always) a means of entertainment. Did I misunderstand you?
Reading an article that some guy wrote and posted at the Lycaeum is hardly enough information to pass that judgement if you are in fact interested at all in the topic.
I stated that whether you use any substance and for what reason is strictly up to you.
"This brings up another discussion (perhaps) about whether taking substances outside of their natural means (as food), is a legitimate way to see reality."
Well, I threw you a bone on that one. I suggested that you look into Shamanism and related subjects as a legitimate practice.
If I read an e-mail that some guy wrote to a website about any subject, regardless of his personality, I have learned next to nothing on the subject. Are you really curious as to whether these are legitimate tools?
"If anyone of us thinks himself/herself to be wise, let them become a fool first, that later he/she can become wise in truth.
My point is, if you're going to claim any drug gives you the true answers, then those who are sober would never have the "intelligence" that you have. I have met more intelligent people who don't drink or smoke consume drugs, than those who do partake in substances that are truly considered drugs. (I don't mean to come off as arrogent, but that is the way I feel about it)."
About that fool thing... I'm not sure where to go with that. I did not just arrive at this belief that these drugs hold more meaning than mere entertainment. I wasn't all that interested in drugs as anything more than entertainment, and even then I'd only used shrooms and weed. While seeking, I crossed many paths, this being one of them. I've followed many, and found that they weave together quite nicely.
In fact many of us feel that there is much you can learn with these tools. Can you learn the same things while sober? Perhaps. You can learn a lot while sober. Think now of all the civilizations before ours that have used numerous psychedelics in their rituals. Did they learn things that a sober person couldn't? Definately. How important these things are to you I do not know. I would go so far as to say that over the course of history, sober religions may in fact be far in the minority...
Why are you venting? Didn't you want to discuss this?
What was that other thought you had?
I am not claiming that every kid who smokes freebase DMT will automatically know more than you. (though I can't imagine there are too many who aren't seriously interested in this path. DMT is not easily attainable. It is not fun. To the best of my knowledge it is not recreational by any means, so no, most people who use it aren't just looking to see some freaky aliens...) The uses of these things are quite complicated... For those who seek it is a serious path, and one that should not be dismissed. Like I said, this is serious stuff enter, this isn't old ladies at the congregation eating cookies...
I don't know if you thought I was being hostile... I wasn't. I'm not trying to be hostile in this post either.
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
#474374 - 11/30/01 02:47 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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> I have no problems, even Biblically, if someone enjoys eating mushrooms or marijuana. But to take a plant or a grass, with the intention to see elves, aliens, etc - to me is an illegitimate means of entertainment.
Are any of these legitimate forms of entertainment?
- sitting in front of a cathode ray tube projecting onto a phosphorescent screen
- interpreting black marks on white backgrounds
- entering some sort of state, at night, where the body is immobile and conscious experience is not reflecting what the sensory organs are currently exposed to
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Kid]
#474383 - 11/30/01 02:54 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ahh, Kid. Nice to see you drop by! Heh heh, thanks for the as always dead on stone cold observations... I was beginning to feel like a drug addict. ;)
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Kid]
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#474418 - 11/30/01 03:41 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, I am in a constant search for truth. I am dedicated to it, I don't think I can do much else at this point. (I've tried... I'll grab a quote here in a minute.) And yes, if I come across something that makes me believe (again) that the use of drugs is in fact nothing more than hallucination and imagination, I would be able to accept that. However, with my knowledge (though admittedly still small) and interest growing in the shamanic (and other) practices, I don't see myself coming to that conclusion any time soon. Plus, I value the power of both hallucination and imagination. (I obviously enjoy it, though it isn't always "fun".)
Do I think that illegal substances are aiding my ability to perceive, interpret, and process the truth? Well, that's a tricky one. It depends on what you call the truth. I personally think it extends beyond any of the singular teachings I've come across... So in essense, I'm still learning of what might be the truth. Much more research is in order, probably with a shaman guide. (it wouldn't be an illegal substance in that case, unless you can reccomend a Shaman in Canada?) ;)
Most of my "study" has been without drugs. I have so far learned most everything that way. I don't believe a drug can just hand you something. You may gain insight, or be presented with something very important and/or spiritual, but I believe there is a science involved in this, a learning process. Therefore, such a guide is preferable to wandering around in the "spirit realm" on your own...
If you give one 16 year old driver a Dodge Viper to learn in, and one a Toyota Corrola, the one in the Viper isn't likely to get anywhere, while the one in the Corrola should be getting around alright. But, give each to an experienced racer and the one in the Viper will be lapping the Corrola in no time... Not to dismiss the power of sober study, but there are some areas where you can really excel with the right "tool".
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: Ulysees]
#474431 - 11/30/01 04:10 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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In reply to:
I don't believe a drug can just hand you something
I would agree. However when it involves something as the sacrement ayahuasca (aye-yah-wah-skah), which I would never call a "drug" - shamans are "given things" in what is known as "shamanic visionary ecstasy". For example, there is a shaman in Peru who was "given" a cure to a disease from a spirit who walked him through the rainforests and showed him which plants (specifically) to use. This is known as "Spirit walking", simliar to other forms of OBE's. Albeit such practices require incredibly pure and amazingly deep intentions.
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#474436 - 11/30/01 04:19 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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Actually, ya, that's kind of what I was talking about. :)
What I meant was if say, your Aunt Bernice partook in the Ayahuasca, she probably wouldn't learn a whole lot, and she probably would never ever forgive the person who gave it to her. (unlesss your Aunt Bernice is into this sort of thing) ;)
But, in the right hand (mind) they can be a very powerful ally.
See my Viper versus Corolla scenario. heh heh
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: oneoverzero]
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Re: Is there a spirit inside u? R U more than chemical [Re: World Spirit]
#474444 - 11/30/01 04:26 AM (21 years, 9 months ago) |
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zoot zoot
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