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OfflinekronnyQ
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What the shit?
    #4726800 - 09/28/05 08:30 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)



Can't be a humidity problem, I have single tub perlite at bottom plus a bubbler with ultrasonic fogger in it. Maybe got nabbed with some lysol or peroxide???


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Re: What the shit? [Re: kronnyQ]
    #4726972 - 09/28/05 08:55 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

could it possibly be this:
Dry Bubble ?Verticillium

This disease is caused by Verticillium, a species which produces sticky spores.
The symptoms produced vary with the developmental stage of the mushroom at the time of infection. 'Early' infection at pin head formation results in the production of malformed pin heads, which turn a grey/brown colour and remain leathery. Infection at a later stage causes a thickening of the stipe especially at the base, and also a crooked mushroom with a tilted cap and backward peeling stalk. Cap infection can occur at a very late stage in the development of the mushroom, resulting in circular superficial spots, initially pale brown in colour which become grey with age.



Verticillium sp. commonly occur in the soil which may be a primary source of the infection, however, it is more likely that they come with casing or by transfer of infection from house to house by pickers, flies or machinery. Spores can lie dormant until they come into contact with mushroom mycelium which stimulates them to grow.
Because the spores are sticky the disease is spread on dust particles from the movement of earth or spent compost. This dust can contaminate fresh casing, or can enter through fans or doorways or be carried in by flies, pickers or even mites.
The disease within the production house can be spread by water splash. The spores can also be spread on any other equipment used in an infected growing house. Appearance of the disease at pin head formation signifies infection at an early stage of development, probably at the time of casing. Development of the disease at later stages of the production cycle usually indicates infection has occurred from other cropping houses or from outside sources.
Spread by water, flies and pickers can result in 30% of the crop being infected at the third flush and by the last flush virtually all of the crop.
The highest standards of hygiene are essential for the control of Verticillium. Other methods of control are as follows:

Control:
1. Avoid soil movement near mushroom houses especially on windy days. Take measures to avoid the accumulation of dust in the vicinity of mushroom houses and also dust movement into the vicinity of mushroom houses.
2. It is essential to control flies and every effort should be made to prevent their entry into cropping houses.
3. As diseased mushrooms appear they should be removed from the beds using a cloth or sponge soaked in disinfectant and then placed in a bucket containing disinfectant.
4. Table salt on top of tissue paper can be used to contain disease.

More:
http://mushgrowinfo.cas.psu.edu/Verticillium Dry Bubble.htm

don't know otherwise.
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Re: What the shit? [Re: backupwards]
    #4727027 - 09/28/05 09:05 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Motherfricker thats gotta be it....some fruit flies managed to get into my tub. Sux cuz its my biggest casing ever. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Are verticillium infected shrooms ok to eat?


Edited by kronnyQ (09/28/05 09:05 PM)


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Re: What the shit? [Re: kronnyQ]
    #4727274 - 09/28/05 10:08 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

that link didn't take me right to the info on it, this one does: http://mushgrowinfo.cas.psu.edu/Verticillium%20Dry%20Bubble.htm

don't know about eating them, will have to do some research on that one.
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Edited by backupwards (09/28/05 10:14 PM)


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Re: What the shit? [Re: backupwards]
    #4727686 - 09/28/05 11:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

damn, backupwards has got his shit down. i must say im impressed.


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Re: What the shit? [Re: shroomr4life]
    #4727706 - 09/28/05 11:25 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

some swear that verticillium infected shroomies are super potent.... from what i've read they do not contain any toxic or harmful substances... but i'n not 100% sure...


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Re: What the shit? [Re: kronnyQ]
    #4727722 - 09/28/05 11:28 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

These little motherfuckers can cause a ton of problems. Their larva eat myc, and they carry a aray of lovely contams on them.



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Re: What the shit? [Re: Magash]
    #4727913 - 09/28/05 11:53 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

what can you do to get rid of them??


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Re: What the shit? [Re: theBRINK]
    #4728509 - 09/29/05 01:10 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Brink, I hope you weren't thinking of my posts on verticillium:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post4603961

Just to clarify, I think that the huge funky aborts that can be caused by verticillium infection are very potent. I do not think that all fruits infected with verticillium are above average potency.

verticillium is often transported by flies, you can possibly treat them with Bt, but I've always used the trash can tek on a fly infestation.


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Re: What the shit? [Re: mycofile]
    #4729045 - 09/29/05 02:13 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

thank's for clarifying that myco...


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Re: What the shit? [Re: theBRINK]
    #4729177 - 09/29/05 02:41 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I guess we learn something new everyday :smile:. Will those mushrooms still fruit?


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Re: What the shit? [Re: sublimistri]
    #4729344 - 09/29/05 03:14 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmm good info, i ain't doin trashcan tek on this casing it's too huge! I may just let it go since the verticillium is harmless. Was thinking about scraping off casing layer and re-case but i doubt that would help since the verticillium gets into the myc network.


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Re: What the shit? [Re: shroomr4life]
    #4730176 - 09/29/05 09:28 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

shroomr4life said:
damn, backupwards has got his shit down. i must say im impressed.




its nothing, this info along with a lot of other info can be found here on the shroomery or else where on the internet. i'm one who likes to read and that is all it takes to gain knowledge. believe me when i say there is so much more that i need to know and will someday, most of these cats on here know way more than myself.
thanks though shrooms4life
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Re: What the shit? [Re: backupwards]
    #4730603 - 09/29/05 11:10 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

shroomr4life said:
damn, backupwards has got his shit down. i must say im impressed.




its nothing, this info along with a lot of other info can be found here on the shroomery or else where on the internet. i'm one who likes to read and that is all it takes to gain knowledge. believe me when i say there is so much more that i need to know and will someday, most of these cats on here know way more than myself.
thanks though shrooms4life
:peace:




Good call on this one!  I think you hit the nail on the head....I've seen other people with this problem, but it doesn't come up all too often.  You may want to search the posts to see how they handled it.

I would suggest starting off with a good scrub down of your terrarium with some soap and warm water, followed by a rubbing alcohol bath, and new perlite.


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