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Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson?
    #4726539 - 09/28/05 07:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

(paraphrased)

Dalai Lama: The Katrina disaster is karmic retribution from past lives.

Pat Robertson: A big Gay parade was scheduled in New Orleans and the hurricane was God's way of showing his displeasure at their sins.


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Swami]
    #4726624 - 09/28/05 07:52 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Looks like a tie!

I heard the DL said masturbation is bad karma.  :frown:


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Icelander]
    #4726632 - 09/28/05 07:53 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Oh, no!  :blush:

If reincarnation pans out, I'm definitely coming back as a lower form of life.


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Swami]
    #4726634 - 09/28/05 07:54 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Can you provide the exact quote from the Dalai Lama?


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4726699 - 09/28/05 08:09 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

No. I have the TV running frequently while posting and playing Poker and half-listening to the news. Basically though, he was saying a version of "they deserved it".


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4726716 - 09/28/05 08:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

"Dalai Lama: The Katrina disaster is karmic retribution from past lives.'

what's wrong with that? it sounds consistent with certain sects of buddhism. do you have a problem with it merely because it seems absurd from your worldview or do you have an actual reason for thinking so?


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Swami]
    #4726723 - 09/28/05 08:15 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I believe it is a basic tenet of Buddhism that what goes around, comes around. Even if he didn't say it in this situation, he probably would.

All I've read from him on Katrina is that American's should use it as an opportunity to become stronger and practice compassion.

Sounds like good advice to me.


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Deviate]
    #4726730 - 09/28/05 08:17 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Someone can't have a natural response to the insane idea of karma (AKA just-world hypothesis) simply because it's part of a religion? It's just another example of an illogical part of Buddhism.


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Icelander]
    #4726764 - 09/28/05 08:22 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Looks like a tie!

I heard the DL said masturbation is bad karma.  :frown:




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The Dalai Lama said the same Buddhist scripture that advises against gay and lesbian sex also urges heterosexuals to refrain from oral sex, anal sex and masturbation. "Even with your own wife, using one's mouth or the other hole is sexual misconduct," he said. "Using one's hand, that is sexual misconduct."



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Edited by Icelander (09/28/05 08:24 PM)


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Icelander]
    #4726769 - 09/28/05 08:24 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I must be pulling around a mountain of bad karma by now.


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Ravus]
    #4726777 - 09/28/05 08:25 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yea, we got hell and bad karma to look forward to. Oh well sense were screwed we might as well go for it. :thumbup:


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Icelander]
    #4726781 - 09/28/05 08:26 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Someone can't have a natural response to the insane idea of karma (AKA just-world hypothesis) simply because it's part of a religion? It's just another example of an illogical part of Buddhism. "

sure they can have a response but there is no reason to think their view holds anymore validity than the dalai lama's. explain why the concept of karma is insane.


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Deviate]
    #4726791 - 09/28/05 08:28 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Swami]
    #4726795 - 09/28/05 08:29 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Well, given the two quotes(or paraphrases, as it were), I'd still say Pat Robertson is worse, because his quote is grounded in biggotry and collective punishment, whereas the Dalai Lama's quote is just grounded in the ludicrous idea that everyone who suffered in the flood did something bad in their past life.


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Veritas]
    #4726805 - 09/28/05 08:31 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

DL is homophobic. He needs a hug and someone to tell him it's ok to have some sexual pleasure outside of the missionary position. Maybe he made some deal with the Pope. :grin:


Oh, and I have very little patience with self styled guru types who like to tell other people what is right and wrong about their bodies.


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Deviate]
    #4726809 - 09/28/05 08:32 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Deviate said:
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Someone can't have a natural response to the insane idea of karma (AKA just-world hypothesis) simply because it's part of a religion? It's just another example of an illogical part of Buddhism. "

sure they can have a response but there is no reason to think their view holds anymore validity than the dalai lama's. explain why the concept of karma is insane.





Why single out the DL for defense?
Explain why the concept that God hates fags is insane.


I think both these ideas are purely rational (as opposed to empirical), based on an idea of how the world works rather than actual observation of the world. Not to say they're wrong, just stupid.


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Veritas]
    #4726815 - 09/28/05 08:34 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Veritas said:
DL thinks gays are bad, too. :sad:

http://www.tibet.ca/en/wtnarchive/1997/6/12_2.html



He says it's ok for non-Bhuddists, which indicates that he doesn't consider it immoral per se, but rather that is not in accordance with the Eightfold Path, and will thus interfere with one's path to enlightenment.  I still don't agree with him, but it's not the same as saying it's "bad."


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Swami]
    #4726865 - 09/28/05 08:42 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

DL and Pat R. can not really be compared.

Do you think the DL is compelled to say things backing up his religion since he is the "reincarnated" Budha?

Swami....just to make me feel good....can you tell me one thing you agree with about what the Dalai Lama has said or done?


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4726941 - 09/28/05 08:51 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
Quote:

Veritas said:
DL thinks gays are bad, too. :sad:

http://www.tibet.ca/en/wtnarchive/1997/6/12_2.html



He says it's ok for non-Bhuddists, which indicates that he doesn't consider it immoral per se, but rather that is not in accordance with the Eightfold Path, and will thus interfere with one's path to enlightenment.  I still don't agree with him, but it's not the same as saying it's "bad."




I didn't know the Buddha ever commented on oral sex and masterbation. Thanks to the religious leaders for filling us in on what he would have said.


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Re: Who is worse: Dalai Lama or Pat Robertson? [Re: Icelander]
    #4726970 - 09/28/05 08:55 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Quote:

Paradigm said:
Quote:

Veritas said:
DL thinks gays are bad, too. :sad:

http://www.tibet.ca/en/wtnarchive/1997/6/12_2.html



He says it's ok for non-Bhuddists, which indicates that he doesn't consider it immoral per se, but rather that is not in accordance with the Eightfold Path, and will thus interfere with one's path to enlightenment.  I still don't agree with him, but it's not the same as saying it's "bad."




I didn't know the Buddha ever commented on oral sex and masterbation. Thanks to the religious leaders for filling us in on what he would have said.



Refraining from sexual misconduct is part of the Eightfold Path.  I forget which text explains what constitutes sexual misconduct, but there's all sorts of restrictions, like not having sex during the day.


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