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Confessions of an Etard.
    #4726248 - 09/28/05 04:38 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

sometimes, when i have to concentrate,
i have to pause the music. haha.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4726252 - 09/28/05 04:40 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

NW 03' the peak of my e-binges.

i hadnt eaten, all that was in my stomach was water & a pill (or 3?)

i was chillin on the grass with all my friends,
i puked into my cheeks & sucked it back down 3 times.
my friends were like 'dude, just spit it out'
and i was like 'fuck no'

the 4th time it came up, i grabbed an empty cup,
puked into it, grabbed my water bottle, plugged my nose,
took it back like a shot, then chased it down with water.

looked at my friends & said ' i dont waste drugs'

then we all got up & went into the main room.

now today, would i do that again?

i dont waste my drugs =)


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4726258 - 09/28/05 04:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Then........... don't concentrate. :shrug:


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4726259 - 09/28/05 04:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Me too.

It's ADD.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4726262 - 09/28/05 04:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

LOL, awesome. Now there's some dedication.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4726265 - 09/28/05 04:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

HAHA, wow thats commited. :thumbup:  Dont worry your not alon


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4726266 - 09/28/05 04:42 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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fortyounces2freedom said:
NW 03' the peak of my e-binges.

i hadnt eaten, all that was in my stomach was water & a pill (or 3?)

i was chillin on the grass with all my friends,
i puked into my cheeks & sucked it back down 3 times.
my friends were like 'dude, just spit it out'
and i was like 'fuck no'

the 4th time it came up, i grabbed an empty cup,
puked into it, grabbed my water bottle, plugged my nose,
took it back like a shot, then chased it down with water.

looked at my friends & said ' i dont waste drugs'

then we all got up & went into the main room.

now today, would i do that again?

i dont waste my drugs =)




after that massive, my bro was driving me home,
i hallucinated that we were driving straight into a wall
so i threw my hands out in front of me and yelled SHIT!!

my bro looked at me & asked dude are u alright?

and im like fuck man im hallucinating..dont pay any attn to me.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4726271 - 09/28/05 04:42 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I've never done E...

I think I'll keep it that way.

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4726281 - 09/28/05 04:45 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

my friend was still rolling hard so he couldnt drive his car,
so my bro drove his car while my friend rolled in the passenger seat.

while we were on the freeway,
my rolling friend turns to my brother & asks him,
dude, do you have my (car) keys?


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
    #4726289 - 09/28/05 04:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You will never know what your missing. Its possibly one of the most euphoric feelings possible ever for a human being.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #4726302 - 09/28/05 04:49 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, it's Cloud Nine.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4726308 - 09/28/05 04:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

This wasn't to long ago. I was with a freind at a small hotel, with the beds with vibrators on them. We were rolling pretty hard.

Me: "Man this is the hardest eye wiggles I have ever had"
Freind: "No dude I just put 2 quaters into the bed"


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #4726310 - 09/28/05 04:51 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

It's not that I haven't had any opportunities to do it... just never interested me.

Maybe when I'm 60...

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Stonerguy]
    #4726346 - 09/28/05 05:00 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Stonerguy said:
This wasn't to long ago. I was with a freind at a small hotel, with the beds with vibrators on them. We were rolling pretty hard.

Me: "Man this is the hardest eye wiggles I have ever had"
Freind: "No dude I just put 2 quaters into the bed"




hahaha


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4726364 - 09/28/05 05:04 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Another time I was rolling with a friend at his house.

He said something along the lines of " Turn off the lights I can't hear the music"


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
    #4726428 - 09/28/05 05:15 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Was in front of 120 pills the other day. Didnt take one. Shroomed over a 100 times, tripped on LSD, mescaline and DMT ... never rolled, never will. Why should I?

Every roller reminds me of a fucking retard, they can't talk proper, always sweating, moving repeatedly in one motion to the music, with a dumb smile on their faces due to the drainage of the serotonin in their brain. I wouldnt want to live 120% for one day just so I could live for 80% for the rest of my life.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4726443 - 09/28/05 05:18 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Every roller reminds me of a fucking retard, they can't talk proper, always sweating, moving repeatedly in one motion to the music, with a dumb smile on their faces due to the drainage of the serotonin in their brain. I wouldnt want to live 120% for one day just so I could live for 80% for the rest of my life.




It sounds like you need to do a little research on it if you think you live the rest of your life after one use of E at 80%.

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4726451 - 09/28/05 05:20 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

It's not that bad. I think you've bought too much into the societal image of ecstasy and its users. MDMA is truly a remarkable chemical. Before it was made illegal, therapists were making groundbreaking discoveries using it to treat patients. Zen Buddhist monks used it to aid in their meditation.

Then it became illegal and really hit the club scene. There you'll find that kind of person, who takes E on a weekly basis and acts like you described. Not to say there's anything at all wrong with that way of life, it's just for me, and it sounds like you either.

However, ecstasy is most certainly not a drug of only abuse, it CAN be used, and to great effect. I tried just about every anti-depressant in the book, and nothing helped me, until I tried ecstasy just once, and I have not been depressed since. It is possible to use it responsibly. It can open doors and windows into yourself and into the world that you might not realize were there previously, even with your extensive psychedelic experience.

Long story short...don't be so quick to blow ecstasy off :grin:


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4726460 - 09/28/05 05:21 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Is Ecstacy something to fear if its used in moderation?


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4726461 - 09/28/05 05:21 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Fospher said:
Was in front of 120 pills the other day. Didnt take one. Shroomed over a 100 times, tripped on LSD, mescaline and DMT ... never rolled, never will. Why should I?

Every roller reminds me of a fucking retard, they can't talk proper, always sweating, moving repeatedly in one motion to the music, with a dumb smile on their faces due to the drainage of the serotonin in their brain. I wouldnt want to live 120% for one day just so I could live for 80% for the rest of my life.




Haha, I could argue against all the points you have MADE UP,key words made up, but I don't go into threads to bring down the moral.

Edit: There are only 2 logical statments in your post: sweating alot, and an increase in seritonin activities. The rest are entirly idiotic points. I had to give you praise for the 2 things you were right about.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: dblaney]
    #4726472 - 09/28/05 05:23 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

ecstacy is the greatest drug i have ever taken.

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: swiftrance]
    #4726501 - 09/28/05 05:29 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

i wish i could try ecstasy.. maybe one day, im just scared because i have a heart murmur :frown:


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: king_cobra]
    #4726549 - 09/28/05 05:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah I have a friend who has that running in his family. He took an E once, and was fine. It really depends how severe your case is I suppose, and how sure you are on what you're getting (if it's cut with an amphetamine, it could be really bad for your heart).


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4726555 - 09/28/05 05:40 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Every roller reminds me of a fucking retard, they can't talk proper, always sweating, moving repeatedly in one motion to the music, with a dumb smile on their faces due to the drainage of the serotonin in their brain.




are you serious?

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: dblaney]
    #4726563 - 09/28/05 05:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

yeah i'd be sure to try to get the cleanest pill i could. i'll have to get it checked out at the doc, i was born with it so i havent chekced up on it since i was a baby..

i was also thinking of just taking half a pill.. but is that even worth doing?


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Stonerguy] * 1
    #4726594 - 09/28/05 05:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Fospher said:
Was in front of 120 pills the other day. Didnt take one. Shroomed over a 100 times, tripped on LSD, mescaline and DMT ... never rolled, never will. Why should I?

Every roller reminds me of a fucking retard, they can't talk proper, always sweating, moving repeatedly in one motion to the music, with a dumb smile on their faces due to the drainage of the serotonin in their brain. I wouldnt want to live 120% for one day just so I could live for 80% for the rest of my life.




Haha, I could argue against all the points you have MADE UP,key words made up, but I don't go into threads to bring down the moral.

Edit: There are only 2 logical statments in your post: sweating alot, and an increase in seritonin activities. The rest are entirly idiotic points. I had to give you praise for the 2 things you were right about.




Sweat: Ecstasy is sympathomimetic. That means that it mimics your body's fight or flight response. Taking too much can cause sweating, dry mouth, dizziness, restlessness, pounding heart, and high blood pressure. Eighty-seven people have died so far from strokes and heart problems caused by these side effects, and they didn't even overdose.

Serotonin drain: ecstasy causes neurons to release dopamine and serotonin stresses them and kills the cells. Dead neurons are a huge problem because, for the most part, they don't grow back. Causes neuron axon and fiber damage, long-term decrease in not only serotonin but also 5-HIAA, it's metabolite that synthesizes it to begin with. There are also decreases in the density of the serotonin reuptake transporter (SERT), the protein on the membrane of serotonergic neurons that recycles released serotonin by pulling it back into the cell. So in short, not only decreases serotonin, but prevents resynthesization of the it by depleting the brain of it's metabolites.

The retard speech problems: I have seen a goood share of rollers in my life at raves at psy-trance fests, parties. This is just from personal experience, I dont think it's scientifically verifiable to test 'talking like a retard'.

Now, what did I make up?


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: king_cobra]
    #4726600 - 09/28/05 05:48 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Depends on the strength of the pill. On average, a pill has ~120mg MDMA in it, so half a pill would be 60mg. With that amount, you'd probably notice something, but truly it wouldn't hold a candle to a full dose.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4726604 - 09/28/05 05:49 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The 80% is figuratively spoken, the percentage of how much you 'live' is anything but subjective.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: dblaney]
    #4726611 - 09/28/05 05:49 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

if u take half a pill. snort it.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4726643 - 09/28/05 05:56 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Fospher said:
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Fospher said:
Was in front of 120 pills the other day. Didnt take one. Shroomed over a 100 times, tripped on LSD, mescaline and DMT ... never rolled, never will. Why should I?

Every roller reminds me of a fucking retard, they can't talk proper, always sweating, moving repeatedly in one motion to the music, with a dumb smile on their faces due to the drainage of the serotonin in their brain. I wouldnt want to live 120% for one day just so I could live for 80% for the rest of my life.




Haha, I could argue against all the points you have MADE UP,key words made up, but I don't go into threads to bring down the moral.

Edit: There are only 2 logical statments in your post: sweating alot, and an increase in seritonin activities. The rest are entirly idiotic points. I had to give you praise for the 2 things you were right about.




Sweat: Ecstasy is sympathomimetic. That means that it mimics your body's fight or flight response. Taking too much can cause sweating, dry mouth, dizziness, restlessness, pounding heart, and high blood pressure. Eighty-seven people have died so far from strokes and heart problems caused by these side effects, and they didn't even overdose.

Serotonin drain: ecstasy causes neurons to release dopamine and serotonin stresses them and kills the cells. Dead neurons are a huge problem because, for the most part, they don't grow back. Causes neuron axon and fiber damage, long-term decrease in not only serotonin but also 5-HIAA, it's metabolite that synthesizes it to begin with. There are also decreases in the density of the serotonin reuptake transporter (SERT), the protein on the membrane of serotonergic neurons that recycles released serotonin by pulling it back into the cell. So in short, not only decreases serotonin, but prevents resynthesization of the it by depleting the brain of it's metabolites.

The retard speech problems: I have seen a goood share of rollers in my life at raves at psy-trance fests, parties. This is just from personal experience, I dont think it's scientifically verifiable to test 'talking like a retard'.

Now, what did I make up?




any references or actual research to support this?
maybe the sweating was from dancing at a rave?? duh, serotonin release is the point. maybe the people you talk to on E aren't really intelligent enough to speak well.

do a search of ecstasy and parkinsons disease... try to discern what is proven/unproven or fact/fiction from that "scientific" research.

How exactly does one measure "the density of the serotonin reuptake transporter (SERT), the protein on the membrane of serotonergic neurons" or "neuron axon and fiber damage"?

again, are you serious?

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: swiftrance]
    #4726649 - 09/28/05 05:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

:puke: Too many binders and fillers for my taste.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Nashbar]
    #4726665 - 09/28/05 06:00 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I personally have found ecstacy to have a positive and therapeutic effect on my life.  It's enhanced my emotional growth in ways I could never have imagined.  That's not to say that I have an epiphany every time I roll, but if I had never tried ecstacy, I'm pretty sure I would have had a much more difficult time learning to socialize and open up.  Whatever serotonin I may have lost, if any, hasn't had enough impact on me to take away from the overwhelmingly positive effect ecstacy has had on my life.  Thanks ecstacy. :heart:


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Nashbar]
    #4726672 - 09/28/05 06:02 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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any references or actual research to support this?
maybe the sweating was from dancing at a rave?? duh, serotonin release is the point. maybe the people you talk to on E aren't really intelligent enough to speak well.

do a search of ecstasy and parkinsons disease... try to discern what is proven/unproven or fact/fiction from that "scientific" research.

How exactly does one measure "the density of the serotonin reuptake transporter (SERT), the protein on the membrane of serotonergic neurons" or "neuron axon and fiber damage"?

again, are you serious?




This is from one of my posts, Im just going to repost it here.


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Extremely neurotoxic? Please provide your sources.


Might not put holes in your brain, but nontheless neurotoxic, causing neuron axon and fiber damage, long-term decrease in not only serotonin but also 5-HIAA, it's metabolite that synthesizes it to begin with. There are also decreases in the density of the serotonin reuptake transporter (SERT), the protein on the membrane of serotonergic neurons that recycles released serotonin by pulling it back into the cell. So in short, not only decreases serotonin, but prevents resynthesization of the it by depleting the brain of it's metabolites.
And in animal and primate studies, there have been permanent degration in axonal neuron structure in parts of the brain.

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colleagues [n32] have proposed that MDMA and related compounds destroy
serotonergic neurons by releasing large amounts of serotonin and inducing
endogenous formation of 5, 6-dihydroxytryptamine, a well-known serotonergic
neurotoxin.




On experiments on primate study:

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It is not yet known whether the effects of MDMA on serotonergic neurons in
the primate are permanent or reversible. Under some circumstances,
regeneration of serotonergic nerve fibers in the central nervous system can
take place. [n26] However, for axon regrowth to occur, the cell body must be
preserved. It remains to be determined if serotonin-containing cell bodies
in the dorsal raphe nucleus of the MDMA -treated primate survive beyond two
weeks. If they do, and if regeneration of nerve fibers takes place, it is
still not certain that the new fibers would establish normal connections.




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Multiple doses of MDMA also produced large depletions
of serotonin
in the caudate nucleus, putamen, hippocampus, hypothalamus, and
thalamus of the monkey (Table 2). One of the most severely affected areas was
the cerebral cortex (Table 2), where the lowest dose (2.5 mg/kg) of MDMA
produced a 44% depletion of serotonin (Table 1).





On depletion of serotonin and it's synthesis:

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MDMA does produce long-lasting changes to the serotonergic system at some doses. These long-term changes include decreases in brain concentrations of the neurotransmitter serotonin (5-HT) and its metabolite 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid (5-HIAA). Levels of tryptophan hydroxylase (TPH), the enzyme that begins the synthesis of 5-HT within the serotonergic nerve cell are decreased. There are also decreases in the density of the serotonin reuptake transporter (SERT), the protein on the membrane of serotonergic neurons that recycles released 5-HT by pulling it back into the cell. Most studies suggest that MDMA primarily causes long-term changes in serotonergic axons that have their cell bodies in an area of the brainstem called the dorsal raphe nucleus.




On the time lapse of the (side) effect:
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Long-lasting decreases in these serotonergic markers suggest that either (a) some type of "down regulation" has occurred, meaning the nerve cell is making and maintaining less of the markers, or (b) that serotonergic axons are permanently lost.




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The sustained acute pharmacological effects of MDMA may exhaust neuronal energy sources and antioxidant defenses, leading to damage. Metabolites of MDMA are another possible source of oxidative stress. Very few behavioral correlates of MDMA exposure have been found in drug-free laboratory animals, despite dramatic serotonergic changes, alterations in neurofunctioning, and changes in response to drugs. A growing number of studies describe differences between ecstasy users and nonusers. These studies have serious limitations, but suggest that some ecstasy users experience serotonergic changes and cognitive alterations.




http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_neurotoxicity1.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/ref...ma_1_text.shtml

This thread (http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3960989/page//fpart/3/vc/1) is good too, Im gonna quote a few posts from a user:

on taking SSRIs:
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>> I also heard if you take SSRIs it could prevent any brain damage occuring on the same sites cause the ssris will bind and prevent damage?

MDMA's neurotoxicity occurs when dopamine, in the absence of sertonin, binds to the 5-HTR transporter and is deposited into the synaptic vesicle. Once deposited, an enzyme called monoamine oxidase attemps to break dopamine down, producing H2O2, or hydrogen peroxide, which oxidizes brain cells and causes their disintegration. This is called oxidative stress.

SSRI's have greater affinity for the 5-HTR receptor site than both serotonin and dopamine. Theoretically, taking an SSRI just as the acute effects of MDMA are beginning to disappear will both prolong the experience as well as block dopamine from binding to the 5-HTR transporter, eliminating the potential for oxidative stress. Studies proving this have thus far only been carried out on mice, and there is no way of knowing how well this method of prophylaxis translates to humans.

Beacuse of it's schedule one status, there has not been sufficient study to determine the risks surrounding MDMA-induced oxidative stress, or precise data detailing the doses of MDMA necessary to make an individual particularly vulnerable to the effects of oxidative stress. Regardless, oxidative stress does occur, and is a well-documented side effect of MDMA use. The risk is quite real and should not be ignored.
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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4726826 - 09/28/05 06:35 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

In some monkey studies using MDMA (not necessarily those, but possibly), the researchers gave the monkeys doses much larger than a human would take on average. Also, monkeys and humans are different. It would be interesting to see human studies.

Much of the damage CAN be reduced by taking large doses of antioxidants before and after the MDMA, as well as either 5-HTP or an SSRI during the comedown.

As long as you space out your doses and follow the precautions, neurotoxicity is GENERALLY negligible.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Twister]
    #4727095 - 09/28/05 07:20 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Every roller reminds me of a fucking retard, they can't talk proper, always sweating, moving repeatedly in one motion to the music, with a dumb smile on their faces due to the drainage of the serotonin in their brain. I wouldnt want to live 120% for one day just so I could live for 80% for the rest of my life.




I think the same thing goes along the lines of shrooms though. Because I think we can all agree here, nobody perceive's the world the same way now as they did before they tripped for the first time.

Alot of people say E makes you depressed, and you never experience happiness again, i've never noticed. I just realize I have a different perception of things. Not necessarily better, but not worse either.

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4727179 - 09/28/05 07:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Remember folks drugs are GOOD for you! Especially psychedelics! Dont eat that evil mdma!

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: dblaney]
    #4727365 - 09/28/05 08:26 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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dblaney said:
In some monkey studies using MDMA (not necessarily those, but possibly), the researchers gave the monkeys doses much larger than a human would take on average. Also, monkeys and humans are different. It would be interesting to see human studies.

Much of the damage CAN be reduced by taking large doses of antioxidants before and after the MDMA, as well as either 5-HTP or an SSRI during the comedown.

As long as you space out your doses and follow the precautions, neurotoxicity is GENERALLY negligible.




For reference of the neurotoxicity of the drug, read the contents of the first post of the thread  :wink:


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4727579 - 09/28/05 09:00 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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fortyounces2freedom said:
NW 03' the peak of my e-binges.

i hadnt eaten, all that was in my stomach was water & a pill (or 3?)

i was chillin on the grass with all my friends,
i puked into my cheeks & sucked it back down 3 times.
my friends were like 'dude, just spit it out'
and i was like 'fuck no'

the 4th time it came up, i grabbed an empty cup,
puked into it, grabbed my water bottle, plugged my nose,
took it back like a shot, then chased it down with water.

looked at my friends & said ' i dont waste drugs'

then we all got up & went into the main room.

now today, would i do that again?

i dont waste my drugs =)




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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: McKennaFan200]
    #4727621 - 09/28/05 09:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I took E once and it changed my life.

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    #4727704 - 09/28/05 09:24 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Another time I was rolling with a friend at his house.

He said something along the lines of " Turn off the lights I can't hear the music"




Haha, that only makes sense on lots of psychoactive drugs.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4728041 - 09/28/05 10:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You made up the part earlier, where you implied that a single use of MDMA would cause severe neurological damage.

Considering that there are no conclusive results proving that MDMA causes such effects, and while it is likely that it can, it is unlikely that rare use in moderate doses will lead to any problems.

Some excessive e users are total morons. There are lots of other people who've used it a bunch who you wouldn't think ever touched the stuff.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Phluck]
    #4728658 - 09/28/05 11:30 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Phluck said:
You made up the part earlier, where you implied that a single use of MDMA would cause severe neurological damage.

Considering that there are no conclusive results proving that MDMA causes such effects, and while it is likely that it can, it is unlikely that rare use in moderate doses will lead to any problems.




What the FUCK are you talking about?

Did you not just see the long post I made about neurotoxicity affecting with every intake, with cited source for every word stated?


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4728926 - 09/28/05 11:59 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, u read too much.
what is life, if you live it by textbook,
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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4729302 - 09/29/05 01:06 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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fortyounces2freedom said:
yeah, u read too much.
what is life, if you live it by textbook,
& take no risk?




What is your brain when the axon dendrite structure is destroyed and your serotonin is wiped out clean, and you have to pause your music to think? No thanks, I've already done enough damage with coke and DXM.

Oh, and sorry, you're not cool or risky by stuffing your body full of drugs. Dont act like you know me either, man. For the life that I lived, its been a fucking rollercoaster, anything but textbook.

Try conserving your body, you only got one. I'm just giving you the facts.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4729378 - 09/29/05 01:21 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Fospher said:
I just woke up from being too drunk and sweaty ... and making some hawaiian pizza/drinking 10 gallons of water.

I must say I've found a liking for scotch, it's a nice intelligent drunk.



Where you said that.

You have every right to refuse a substance, I have nothing against that. You've quoted a big long scientific report, which I've seen before. I admit I'm a bit slow in the head and I'll probably never fully grasp it.

It's just too long and technical--probably no one here can refute it.

When you say that 83 people or whatever have died on E, well it makes a pretty misleading statement in my opinion. Many millions of doses have been taken so far. If you compared E related deaths to say, suicides induced by Prozac, I bet there are many more dead people from Prozac.

I've heard "layman" talks on ecstasy. In most cases these were people with doctorates, medical doctors who went on to do addictions research.

They also mentioned what you have said (about neuron depletion and reduction of serotonin) and what they said was that moderate use does not pose a problem to most people. By moderate use I mean once every 4-6 months or longer.

Getting "really drunk" is a wee bit worse, I think, than taking say 100mg of MDMA. That's just what I think, but like I say you are entitled to take whatever you want, that's what free will is all about.

I'm not saying your information is bullshit, it is probably dead on right. It sounds bad though. All this technical shit... a big long list of it. There are many (legal) substances out there that are orders of magnitude more dangerous and taken more regularly.

Hey you might really like E, you might not. One pill isn't likely to affect you that much. The real issue is DIRTY pills, something that is very real and very dangerous.

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4729386 - 09/29/05 01:22 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

fair enough,
if its self-preservation your after, then do it up :smile:

i've had my run with coke too & with that being said

mdma > coke

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4729406 - 09/29/05 01:27 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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fortyounces2freedom said:
fair enough,
if its self-preservation your after, then do it up :smile:

i've had my run with coke too & with that being said

mdma > coke

110%.




Yes it is, I was an idiot for doing that. Doesnt give molly any justification.

My coke binge ended up in a seizure, fuck that, most evil drug created.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4729419 - 09/29/05 01:30 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

& btw, i did read into what you are saying,
and yeah it can destroy the axon
"Given a large enough dose under the wrong circumstances"

to simply & completely decline an experience,
even with an average/moderate dose surprises me,
especially with such a beautiful life enlightening drug.
to each his own i suppose. =)

also, about the music comment,
the music i listen to puts me in a trance.
& what a coincedence, its "trance" music i listen to.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #4729430 - 09/29/05 01:33 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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adjust said:
Quote:

Fospher said:
I just woke up from being too drunk and sweaty ... and making some hawaiian pizza/drinking 10 gallons of water.

I must say I've found a liking for scotch, it's a nice intelligent drunk.



Where you said that.

You have every right to refuse a substance, I have nothing against that. You've quoted a big long scientific report, which I've seen before. I admit I'm a bit slow in the head and I'll probably never fully grasp it.

It's just too long and technical--probably no one here can refute it.

When you say that 83 people or whatever have died on E, well it makes a pretty misleading statement in my opinion. Many millions of doses have been taken so far. If you compared E related deaths to say, suicides induced by Prozac, I bet there are many more dead people from Prozac.

I've heard "layman" talks on ecstasy. In most cases these were people with doctorates, medical doctors who went on to do addictions research.

They also mentioned what you have said (about neuron depletion and reduction of serotonin) and what they said was that moderate use does not pose a problem to most people. By moderate use I mean once every 4-6 months or longer.

Getting "really drunk" is a wee bit worse, I think, than taking say 100mg of MDMA. That's just what I think, but like I say you are entitled to take whatever you want, that's what free will is all about.

I'm not saying your information is bullshit, it is probably dead on right. It sounds bad though. All this technical shit... a big long list of it. There are many (legal) substances out there that are orders of magnitude more dangerous and taken more regularly.

Hey you might really like E, you might not. One pill isn't likely to affect you that much. The real issue is DIRTY pills, something that is very real and very dangerous.




"Getting "really drunk" is a wee bit worse, I think, than taking say 100mg of MDMA. That's just what I think, but like I say you are entitled to take whatever you want, that's what free will is all about."

Funny how you say you cant really grasp the neurotoxicity article, then go and judge alcohol as being worse. Where is YOUR source?

"They also mentioned what you have said (about neuron depletion and reduction of serotonin) and what they said was that moderate use does not pose a problem to most people. By moderate use I mean once every 4-6 months or longer."

I've 'heard' the exact opposite. Wait, actually, I have it all outlined in my last post with a source.

"When you say that 83 people or whatever have died on E, well it makes a pretty misleading statement in my opinion. Many millions of doses have been taken so far. If you compared E related deaths to say, suicides induced by Prozac, I bet there are many more dead people from Prozac."

not quite what I said. 87 people died from just the side effects (restlessness, pounding heart, and high blood pressure), far more people have died from an OD.

Funny how all these people pounced to defeat the drug, yet none have backing.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4729440 - 09/29/05 01:37 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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& btw, i did read into what you are saying,
and yeah it can destroy the axon
"Given a large enough dose under the wrong circumstances"

to simply & completely decline an experience,
even with an average/moderate dose surprises me,
especially with such a beautiful life enlightening drug.
to each his own i suppose. =)

also, about the music comment,
the music i listen to puts me in a trance.
& what a coincedence, its "trance" music i listen to.




Music? Well, I listen to a lot of psy-trance/GOA, not too far from hardtechno, house or whatever you like. I enjoy raves and psy-trance parties as well.

"and yeah it can destroy the axon
"Given a large enough dose under the wrong circumstances""

No, actually it causes damage every time.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4729483 - 09/29/05 01:54 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

how many times do you think shulgin has rolled?

that man is still pretty fucking smart.....


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4729485 - 09/29/05 01:54 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

its a hell of alot safer taking mdma,
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    #4729492 - 09/29/05 01:56 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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    #4729498 - 09/29/05 01:57 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

good to see you bro. =)

im flying out to az tomarrow,
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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4729501 - 09/29/05 01:58 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

i confess to nothing!

not with out consulting a lawer first anyway :smirk:

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #4729506 - 09/29/05 02:00 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

ha sweet..
I'm heading out to the mountains tomorrow..
I'll have some confessions of my own :grin:
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    #4729507 - 09/29/05 02:00 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4729527 - 09/29/05 02:06 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Funny how you say you cant really grasp the neurotoxicity article, then go and judge alcohol as being worse. Where is YOUR source?




I said getting "really drunk" was worse. But hey, I misunderstood you on the 87 deaths part, so we're even :wink:

Since I consider myself an expert on the negative effects of alcohol I'd be happy to share with you. I grew up in northern Canada on an indian reserve and have been affected by alcohol most of my life!

#1. Getting really drunk causes liver damage and heart disease. It can damage your stomach too.
#2. It creates fetal alcohol children. I have had first hand contact with fetal alcohol kids. Being a fetal alcohol kid REALLY SUCKS!!! It is also so unfair it almost makes me cry... HOW CAN SOMEONE DO THAT TO THIER KID???
#3. I've been attacked by people who were "really drunk". In the worst case my leg was cut up pretty bad.

Alcohol is much more addictive than MDMA, it also has horrible a withdrawal that can cause death.

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I've 'heard' the exact opposite. Wait, actually, I have it all outlined in my last post with a source.




Hey I've also heard the exact opposite! Unfortunately I can't quote a lecture I attended in real life. :smile: But to be clear, MDMA is dangerous! Even moderate use is dangerous. So is any drug, for that matter, including mushrooms (though I admit mushrooms are much safer than MDMA).

Also feel free to tell me to shut up if you think I'm hijacking this thread. :grin:

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    #4729540 - 09/29/05 02:09 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

w0000t :heart:

do you know of any place that sells one of these in az?


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    #4729545 - 09/29/05 02:10 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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how many times do you think shulgin has rolled?

that man is still pretty fucking smart.....




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    #4729552 - 09/29/05 02:11 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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ha sweet..
I'm heading out to the mountains tomorrow..
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    #4729596 - 09/29/05 02:18 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Hey I've also heard the exact opposite! Unfortunately I can't quote a lecture I attended in real life. :smile:




Why not?

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So is any drug, for that matter, including mushrooms (though I admit mushrooms are much safer than MDMA).




No man, mushrooms on the other hand, are 100% safe. Please dont get me started on this, I will unleash the fury I did with E, only pro-drug this time.

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?This drug is not associated with physical or psychological dependency, acute toxicity is largely limited to possible panic and anxiety attacks and, in terms of chronic toxicity, the worst that can happen are flashbacks. Consequently, the use of paddos (hallucinogenic mushrooms) does not, on balance, present any risk to the health of the individual.?

- Coordination Centre for the Assessment and Monitoring of new drugs, in summary of explanation of paddos (psilocybin and psilocin) side effects





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    #4729638 - 09/29/05 02:28 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Ok you want a quote I'll give you one. You know the guy at harvard who is doing the study on cluster headaches? He has a british accent, black hair and a short beard. He's a medical doctor with another degree on addictions research. You know who I'm talking about?

I was at one of his layman lectures, one where he was talking about LSD and mushrooms to treat cluster headaches.

One of the things he said was there are three stages to a trip, the first is (I think) euphoric rush. The second is the halucination part. The third stage occurs about 48 hours later.

The third stage is a negative mood shift. I didn't notice this myself but he said it, I assume he knows his shit. That could be considered... slightly dangerous, no? :smile:

The other thing that is dangerous about mushrooms is bad trips involving panick attacks, psychotic episodes, etc.

Mushrooms are not 100% safe man. They are 99.999563% safe. :grin:

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    #4729666 - 09/29/05 02:33 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Ok you want a quote I'll give you one. You know the guy at harvard who is doing the study on cluster headaches? He has a british accent, black hair and a short beard. He's a medical doctor with another degree on addictions research. You know who I'm talking about?




No, sorry doesnt ring a bell. And you still didnt give me a quote, just a quick summary. But that's ok, I'll listen anyway.

There's psychological dangers to the drug, but then again, there are psychological dangers to doing anything. You can see your parents die in front of you and have flashbacks about it. It's not the 'chemical reassembling itself' or, 'secreting from your spinal fluids' horseshit, simply it's such an intense experience that your mind goes back to it time to time.

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Mushrooms are not 100% safe man. They are 99.999563% safe. :grin:




...and I can live with that.  :lol:

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    #4729701 - 09/29/05 02:39 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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its a hell of alot safer taking mdma,
than it is driving a car. (completely sober even)




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    #4729702 - 09/29/05 02:39 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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its a hell of alot safer taking mdma,
than it is driving a car. (completely sober even)




I might get hurt, but if you're taking on that argument, dont even walk outside your house into the street, there's just too much probability that I will get hurt. The only difference is if I get inside the car, I wont get to college or work with my brain all fucked up.

You dont have to make it seem like you have to 'win' this argument or anything by making all these quick retorts either. I like the shroomery, and I dont want to see anyone I like get hurt. Thats all.  :wink:


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    #4729707 - 09/29/05 02:40 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Substance over style man, give me scientific proof and I'll listen.


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    #4729721 - 09/29/05 02:42 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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LSD and Psilocybin in the Treatment of Cluster Headaches"

Therapeutic use of psychedelics is usually thought of in the context of psychotherapy--in fact, the word "psychedelic" means "mind-manifesting". However, psychedelics have applications in a number of purely neurological diseases, also. I will discuss recent evidence that indole-ring psychedelics are remarkably effective in treating cluster headaches, one of the most painful and disabling conditions known. Presented by: British-born Andrew Sewell, MD, who is dual-trained in both psychiatry and neurology and currently holds the position of Assistant Psychiatrist and Research Fellow in the Alcohol and Drug Abuse Research Center at McLean Hospital/Harvard Medical School.




That was the lecture I was talking about.

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    #4729755 - 09/29/05 02:49 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

once I was rolling so ahrd ...

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    #4729867 - 09/29/05 03:13 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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how many times do you think shulgin has rolled?

that man is still pretty fucking smart.....




I do have a lot of respect for shulgin. (Key word: 'still')




so looking at him as an example i think its safe to say that ecstasy use can be done safely....? that man took alot of E. if his brain is damaged, it sureley doesnt show.


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    #4729869 - 09/29/05 03:14 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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once I was rolling so ahrd ...




Now that I can respect, effeciency in drug intake and a smoother ride.  :thumbup:


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    #4729871 - 09/29/05 03:14 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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w0000t :heart:

do you know of any place that sells one of these in az?


my spoiled cali ass is going to need it.





dont be such a puss!

what is the heat really?

stimuli! :grin:

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    #4729875 - 09/29/05 03:17 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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how many times do you think shulgin has rolled?

that man is still pretty fucking smart.....




I do have a lot of respect for shulgin. (Key word: 'still')




so looking at him as an example i think its safe to say that ecstasy use can be done safely....? that man took alot of E. if his brain is damaged, it sureley doesnt show.




Even with molly, it's hard to destroy someone's brain who's written books like PiHKAL. He was a fucking genius, it's like saying "hey einstein got shitty grades in school", why not just use him as an example for dropouts?


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    #4729883 - 09/29/05 03:22 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

so are you saying that because hes so smart, the chemical reacted differently in his brain then it would with the random E tard?


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    #4729886 - 09/29/05 03:24 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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w0000t :heart:

do you know of any place that sells one of these in az?


my spoiled cali ass is going to need it.





dont be such a puss!

what is the heat really?

stimuli! :grin:

:heart:




stimuli?! bull fucking shit.
that last time
made me never want to go to az ever again.

that shit fried my brain just like that commercial.

that shit still herts jsut thinking about it.

in other words:

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    #4729890 - 09/29/05 03:25 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

im sure we can find that, or something similar somewhere in this great state


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    #4729893 - 09/29/05 03:26 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

fuck man, Im too tired for this its 5 in the morning.

Yes and No. No:The detrimental effects dont show as much because of his massive amount of knowledge collected. Yes:The brain, the billions of neuron and 10,000 neuroconnectors attached to each one. The brain is a growing structure, the more you know, the bigger (literally) your brain gets. Different compounds affect people differently


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    #4729900 - 09/29/05 03:28 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Different compounds affect people differently





......

hmmmmmm.....

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im sure we can find that, or something similar somewhere in this great state




& if we cant find it, im buying a 99 cent spray bottle. :lol:


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or one of these......these are all over the place


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    #4729913 - 09/29/05 03:34 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Different compounds affect people differently





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hmmmmmm.....

so its safe for some, but not others. gotcha :smirk:




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    #4729919 - 09/29/05 03:40 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

ok.....

ive taken probably about 50 pills since i started useing......i have not noticed one bit of brain damage. you say its there, fine...ill give ya that. but if its not affecting anything i do.....guess i have more to spare.


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    #4729928 - 09/29/05 03:45 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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talk to me again after this weekend, i may be a vegetable :grin:




:yesnod:

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    #4729949 - 09/29/05 04:02 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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No man, mushrooms on the other hand, are 100% safe. Please dont get me started on this, I will unleash the fury I did with E, only pro-drug this time.





I found the shroomery because mushrooms caused me to have lovely seizures.

I'd love an explanation if you have one being as I've been here years and have so far only found one or two other people who have had complete seizures from them.


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    #4729954 - 09/29/05 04:10 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

its because you dont have enough brain cells to spare......like shulgin does :smirk:


and this i suppose, its the best i could get out of him so far.

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No man, mushrooms on the other hand, are 100% safe. Please dont get me started on this, I will unleash the fury I did with E, only pro-drug this time.





I found the shroomery because mushrooms caused me to have lovely seizures.

I'd love an explanation if you have one being as I've been here years and have so far only found one or two other people who have had complete seizures from them.




Are you epileptic? You should take extra precaution if you are taking psychedelics with a condition. Epilepsy is neuroconnectors firing off information too fast, at strained condition. When too much is exerted, your brain cant handle it and blacks out. Thats what triggers an epileptic seizure. Dont trip on no sleep or on an stressful day, and make sure to take your medicine to suppress any unwanted events.

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found the shroomery because mushrooms caused me to have lovely seizures.

I'd love an explanation if you have one being as I've been here years and have so far only found one or two other people who have had complete seizures from them.




Lots of people report this--full-blown seizures to minor blackouts, seen it happen myself. Scary shit...mushrooms are not even close to 100% safe.


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    #4729959 - 09/29/05 04:17 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

No. I have had extensive medical check ups regarding it and the conclusion has always been, 7 years later and still looking "You're healthy"

I dont have seizures normally, I never HAD had one. In fact I have never blacked out at all let alone seized. I have no known issues other then colorblindness, and I'm pretty sure thats not a WARNING SIGN.

Personally. I think you are a self centered egotisical ass know it all. You need to remove this idea in your bloated head that mushrooms are somehow the magical safe drug and everything else is bad. I'm sorry you picked up your shitty coke habit, and alcohol issues.

Maybe the DXM screwed up your head so much you just can't get over yourself? I don't know. But check into rehab man. Save the little you have left. You're no Shulgin.


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    #4729962 - 09/29/05 04:18 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Seek less baeocystin in your mushroom diet then ... and more sleep before a trip. Let me rephrase the 100% safe part: There is no physiological damage that the drug exerts, but there is psychological danger, just like there is to everything


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Organic]
    #4729964 - 09/29/05 04:20 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

i have had a minor black out....once on 7 grams of mushrooms, right around peak. it was intense, i thought i had died. the best reasoning i could come up with for as to why it happened is for the same reason people faint.

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The most common is a vasovagal attack, where overstimulation of a major nerve (the vagus) slows the heart rate and lowers blood pressure. This overstimulation may be caused by intense stress, fear, pain or anything that suddenly increases pressure inside the body, such as blowing a trumpet.




http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditions/fainting1.shtml

not sure if that would have anything to do with a seizure......i doubt it actually.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4729965 - 09/29/05 04:21 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I still want this awsome explanation on how I seize only on mushrooms, pretty much every time I've taken them, even in small doses.


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    #4729966 - 09/29/05 04:21 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: mndfreeze]
    #4729972 - 09/29/05 04:33 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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No. I have had extensive medical check ups regarding it and the conclusion has always been, 7 years later and still looking "You're healthy"

I dont have seizures normally, I never HAD had one. In fact I have never blacked out at all let alone seized. I have no known issues other then colorblindness, and I'm pretty sure thats not a WARNING SIGN.

Personally. I think you are a self centered egotisical ass know it all. You need to remove this idea in your bloated head that mushrooms are somehow the magical safe drug and everything else is bad. I'm sorry you picked up your shitty coke habit, and alcohol issues.

Maybe the DXM screwed up your head so much you just can't get over yourself? I don't know. But check into rehab man. Save the little you have left. You're no Shulgin.




One of the three active psychoactive agents in mushrooms, baeocystin, the one responsible for the body buzz, the rush, is also responsible for triggering seizures. The mushroom strain in this scenario plays a big part. However, it only triggers it, it does not cause any damage to the brain by itself. You can reach this unstable condition by not sleeping, drinking, or just straining your brain in any other way. Baeocystin just serves as a catalyst to the potential seizure, but countless other things do as well. Mushrooms are a wonder drug. There is no medical proof to show any physical damage or addiction potential whatsoever, and has infinite positive effects on the user without any negative risks to his/her health.

Look at it this way, if someone told me that my memory wouldnt be the same again after heavy DXM use, I wouldve never done it. Not all legal drugs are good, not all illegal are bad. Just because one is bad, doesnt mean all of them are.

Go ahead and talk shit all you want, I'll shut you up with real facts. Chemical therapy and self-therapy is a real thing.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4729983 - 09/29/05 04:43 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Baeocystin is only found as a trace in cubensis.

You can google yourself and use the information yourself if you'd like.

Tell me how I have never seized on any other substance, or ever in my life. Period. Except on mushrooms.

Please explain how years of LSD never caused it. How it ONLY happens on mushrooms EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I'd love you to shut me up with real facts. No one else has had any in regards to it and personally I dont think you have any clue either.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4729984 - 09/29/05 04:44 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

you just know it all dont ya?


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: mndfreeze]
    #4729988 - 09/29/05 04:50 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.maps.org/pipermail/maps_forum/2003-October/005719.html


there might be something of interest in that.....


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4729990 - 09/29/05 04:52 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

It would be nice if it was as simple as you claim, but it is not. Mushrooms are not a wonder drug. They are a drug---one that some's body simply rejects. If one has witnessed these blackouts, seizures, tremors, however they present themselves, they often shut up with their theories...sometimes the occurence defies explanation...the person can be 100% doing fine and then it just happens, when it has NEVER before occured in their sober life. There is a stronger correlation than just 'it happens'...it happens a LOT on mushrooms. Search for seizure/blackout/tremor in the Psychedelic Experience forum for evidence.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: mndfreeze]
    #4729994 - 09/29/05 04:56 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Personally. I think you are a self centered egotisical ass know it all. You need to remove this idea in your bloated head that mushrooms are somehow the magical safe drug and everything else is bad. I'm sorry you picked up your shitty coke habit, and alcohol issues.

Maybe the DXM screwed up your head so much you just can't get over yourself? I don't know. But check into rehab man. Save the little you have left. You're no Shulgin.




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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Organic]
    #4729998 - 09/29/05 04:59 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I call it as I see it. Nothing worse then close minded people on a drug forum spewing forth fecal matter about things like this. I'll take a pub banning for it for all I care.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: mndfreeze]
    #4730004 - 09/29/05 05:04 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

omg, no!!!!!!!!!!!!

how dare you talk like that, a banning from the pub?!? could you live with out the pub? i mean, you post here so frequently......i dont think you are thinking clearly. i suggest you think really hard about what you are saying, and how a ban might affect you physically/emotionally, possibly even spiritually. and then appologize.....and say something like "shine on" or post these smileys, " :flowerchild: :hippie: :gd_icon: :peace: " quick, before you feel ripples wrath :shocked:


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: wrestler_az]
    #4730012 - 09/29/05 05:08 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I didn't shower today so I felt I was one of the 'normies' again.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: wrestler_az]
    #4730031 - 09/29/05 05:32 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think anyone takes the pub that seriously...but I am probably wrong. Pubdamentalists around here ;rolleyessmiley;


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Organic]
    #4730033 - 09/29/05 05:37 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

you're probably right about being wrong

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    #4730039 - 09/29/05 05:44 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Well, resume shining on then. Don't shine any over me though.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4730278 - 09/29/05 08:11 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)


Substance over style man, give me scientific proof and I'll listen.


Yeah, and you'll draw wild conclusions.

You STILL made up bullshit about ecstacy causing you to "live your life at 80%" after a single dose, when I challenge you on it you're like "LOOK AT ALL THIS EVIDENCE THAT IT LIKELY CAUSES DAMAGE AFTER PROLONGED USE".

Well no shit. Excessive MDMA use can likely cause damage, that doesn't mean that occasional and infrequent use will, or that the mostly animal studies that you cited even translate over to humans.

I can dig up some studies on alcohol neurotoxicity:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...&query_hl=2
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...&query_hl=2

But these relate to excessive use. Like the studies you're citing. Just because you can back something up with a study doesn't mean that the study isn't flawed or misleading.

Also, did you read the whole erowid neurotoxicity thing? Probably not.

Here's the summary:

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High or repeated-dose MDMA regimens can produce long-term changes in indices of serotonergic and axonal functioning in animals. Increasing evidence supports the view that these changes are at least partially the result of damage. The magnitude of these serotonergic changes varies with dose, species, and route of administration. Rodent studies have shown that changes in the core temperature of animals can increase or decrease MDMA neurotoxicity. While some recovery does occur, a study in squirrel monkeys suggests that there may be permanent changes in axonal distribution in some areas of the brain. Oxidative stress appears to play an important role in MDMA neurotoxicity, although the exact mechanisms are poorly understood. The sustained acute pharmacological effects of MDMA may exhaust neuronal energy sources and antioxidant defenses, leading to damage. Metabolites of MDMA are another possible source of oxidative stress. Very few behavioral correlates of MDMA exposure have been found in drug-free laboratory animals, despite dramatic serotonergic changes, alterations in neurofunctioning, and changes in response to drugs. A growing number of studies describe differences between ecstasy users and nonusers. These studies have serious limitations, but suggest that some ecstasy users experience serotonergic changes and cognitive alterations.In contrast to studies of illicit users, the few controlled clinical trials with MDMA in healthy volunteers have reportedly not found evidence of cognitive changes, despite cerebral blood flow alterations in one study. The possible risks of neurotoxicity must be considered when assessing the potential administration of MDMA to humans.




You said:
"Every roller reminds me of a fucking retard, they can't talk proper, always sweating, moving repeatedly in one motion to the music, with a dumb smile on their faces due to the drainage of the serotonin in their brain. I wouldnt want to live 120% for one day just so I could live for 80% for the rest of my life."

Got any evidence that a single use of MDMA will have you "living at 80%" for the rest of your life?

And of course the rest of the statement is really just a bunch of arrogant chest beating. I could just as easily say that every tripper reminds me of drunken four year old, laughing at retarded shit, unable to focus, easily frightened and drooling on themselves.

This is just another case of someone who uses a lot of drugs, picking out a drug that they can demonize. "At least I'm not like those fuck ups that take E", you can tell yourself. It must be nice, being able to think you're better than so many people.

I've only used E once in the past 3 years, I hardly feel like I'm at some great risk. I can speak, interact with others, and enjoy myself. I don't think my capacity to experience life has been reduced.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4730303 - 09/29/05 08:17 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Are you epileptic? You should take extra precaution if you are taking psychedelics with a condition. Epilepsy is neuroconnectors firing off information too fast, at strained condition. When too much is exerted, your brain cant handle it and blacks out. Thats what triggers an epileptic seizure. Dont trip on no sleep or on an stressful day, and make sure to take your medicine to suppress any unwanted events.

Thanks for the lesson, but I think he probably knows what a seizure is.


Mushrooms cant cause you to have seizures. But they can trigger an already active disorder.


Oh really? Have you conducted any long term studies? Because there are actually quite a few reports of people having seizures while under the influence of various psychedelics, including LSD and mushrooms, who haven't shown any other signs of epilepsy.

If extensive research hasn't been done on the subject... basically if the phenomenon has not been conclusively explained, then claiming that mushrooms, 100% for sure do not cause seizures is just talking out of your ass.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Phluck]
    #4730304 - 09/29/05 08:17 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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arrogant chest beating



is there any other kind?

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    #4730306 - 09/29/05 08:18 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

King Kong impressions?


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: mndfreeze]
    #4731265 - 09/29/05 11:28 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Baeocystin is only found as a trace in cubensis.

You can google yourself and use the information yourself if you'd like.


Tell me how I have never seized on any other substance, or ever in my life. Period. Except on mushrooms.

Please explain how years of LSD never caused it. How it ONLY happens on mushrooms EVERY SINGLE TIME.

I'd love you to shut me up with real facts. No one else has had any in regards to it and personally I dont think you have any clue either.




>>Already have it, cubensis has one of the lowest concentrations of baeo:

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SPECIES % PSILOCYBIN % PSILOCIN % BAEOCYSTIN REFERENCE
P. azurenscens 1.78 .38 .35 Stamets and Gartz 1995
P. bohemica 1.34 .11 .02 Gartz and Muller 1989; Gartz (1994)
P. semilanceata .98 .02 .36 Gartz 1994
P. baeocystis .85 .59 .10 Repke et al. 1977; Beug and Bigwood 1982(b)
P. cyanescens .85 .36 .03 Stijve and Kuyper 1985; Repke et al. 1977
P. tampanensis .68 .32 n/a Gartz 1994
P. cubensis .63 .60 .025 Gartz 1994; Stijve and de Meijer 1993
P. weilii .61 .27 .05
P. hoogshagenii .60 .10 n/a Heim and Hofmann 1958
P. stuntzii .36 .12 .02 Beug and Bigwood 1982(b); Repke et al. 1977
P. cyanofibrillosa .21 .04 n/a Stamets et al. 1980
P. liniformans .16 n/d .005 Stijve and Kuyper





Whilst the agent does not cause any damage by itself, it can act as a catalyst for triggering seizures, LSD doesnt contain it. How many times have you had seizures from taking shrooms?


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Organic]
    #4732999 - 09/29/05 06:08 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Save the little you have left. You're no Shulgin.




Pub rules don't apply to mndfreeze!
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I wouldnt want him banned over someting like this. For one, Im not easily offended, two comparing me to one of the greatest geniuses ever lived I will take as a compliment.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Phluck]
    #4733011 - 09/29/05 06:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Substance over style man, give me scientific proof and I'll listen.


Yeah, and you'll draw wild conclusions.

You STILL made up bullshit about ecstacy causing you to "live your life at 80%" after a single dose, when I challenge you on it you're like "LOOK AT ALL THIS EVIDENCE THAT IT LIKELY CAUSES DAMAGE AFTER PROLONGED USE".

Well no shit. Excessive MDMA use can likely cause damage, that doesn't mean that occasional and infrequent use will, or that the mostly animal studies that you cited even translate over to humans.

I can dig up some studies on alcohol neurotoxicity:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...&query_hl=2
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...&query_hl=2

But these relate to excessive use. Like the studies you're citing. Just because you can back something up with a study doesn't mean that the study isn't flawed or misleading.

Also, did you read the whole erowid neurotoxicity thing? Probably not.

Here's the summary:

Quote:


High or repeated-dose MDMA regimens can produce long-term changes in indices of serotonergic and axonal functioning in animals. Increasing evidence supports the view that these changes are at least partially the result of damage. The magnitude of these serotonergic changes varies with dose, species, and route of administration. Rodent studies have shown that changes in the core temperature of animals can increase or decrease MDMA neurotoxicity. While some recovery does occur, a study in squirrel monkeys suggests that there may be permanent changes in axonal distribution in some areas of the brain. Oxidative stress appears to play an important role in MDMA neurotoxicity, although the exact mechanisms are poorly understood. The sustained acute pharmacological effects of MDMA may exhaust neuronal energy sources and antioxidant defenses, leading to damage. Metabolites of MDMA are another possible source of oxidative stress. Very few behavioral correlates of MDMA exposure have been found in drug-free laboratory animals, despite dramatic serotonergic changes, alterations in neurofunctioning, and changes in response to drugs. A growing number of studies describe differences between ecstasy users and nonusers. These studies have serious limitations, but suggest that some ecstasy users experience serotonergic changes and cognitive alterations.In contrast to studies of illicit users, the few controlled clinical trials with MDMA in healthy volunteers have reportedly not found evidence of cognitive changes, despite cerebral blood flow alterations in one study. The possible risks of neurotoxicity must be considered when assessing the potential administration of MDMA to humans.




You said:
"Every roller reminds me of a fucking retard, they can't talk proper, always sweating, moving repeatedly in one motion to the music, with a dumb smile on their faces due to the drainage of the serotonin in their brain. I wouldnt want to live 120% for one day just so I could live for 80% for the rest of my life."

Got any evidence that a single use of MDMA will have you "living at 80%" for the rest of your life?

And of course the rest of the statement is really just a bunch of arrogant chest beating. I could just as easily say that every tripper reminds me of drunken four year old, laughing at retarded shit, unable to focus, easily frightened and drooling on themselves.

This is just another case of someone who uses a lot of drugs, picking out a drug that they can demonize. "At least I'm not like those fuck ups that take E", you can tell yourself. It must be nice, being able to think you're better than so many people.

I've only used E once in the past 3 years, I hardly feel like I'm at some great risk. I can speak, interact with others, and enjoy myself. I don't think my capacity to experience life has been reduced.




Since this whole post is concentrated around the 80% thing, Im not even gonna bother replying.

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Fospher]
    #4733019 - 09/29/05 06:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Whilst the agent does not cause any damage by itself, it can act as a catalyst for triggering seizures




could you elaborate a little more into how exactly baeocystin acts as a catalyst in causing seizures?


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    #4733250 - 09/29/05 07:11 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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how many times do you think shulgin has rolled?

that man is still pretty fucking smart.....




Sasha always advocated and practiced drugs in moderation. He didn't goto raves and roll every weekend.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/references/mdma_research_summaries.shtml

That is Erowid, not some spooky anti-drug Nazi-sympathizer paleopuritan website. Even on Erowid, there isn't much positive research regarding MDMA.

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    #4733264 - 09/29/05 07:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Maybe the DXM screwed up your head so much you just can't get over yourself? I don't know. But check into rehab man. Save the little you have left. You're no Shulgin.




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    #4733744 - 09/29/05 09:01 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Sasha always advocated and practiced drugs in moderation. He didn't goto raves and roll every weekend.






exactly.

E can be used responsibly, with minimul negative side effects, if at all.


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    #4733812 - 09/29/05 09:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

E makes me want to PLUR my pants off.

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    #4733818 - 09/29/05 09:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

ya ya, we all know......

its ok though

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    #4733825 - 09/29/05 09:19 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Is that like PLUP?

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    #4734041 - 09/29/05 10:11 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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The 80% is figuratively spoken, the percentage of how much you 'live' is anything but subjective.





What a cop out.

The statement you made contains a very clear message: A single use of MDMA has a very significant permenant neurological impact.

Obviously the numbers were used figuratively, the statement is still completely false.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: wrestler_az]
    #4734590 - 09/30/05 12:17 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Fospher said:
Whilst the agent does not cause any damage by itself, it can act as a catalyst for triggering seizures




could you elaborate a little more into how exactly baeocystin acts as a catalyst in causing seizures?





i really would like to know more about this....


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: wrestler_az]
    #4747765 - 10/03/05 12:31 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

bump....

fospher...care to take a stab at my question? i would really like to know how baeocystin helps trigger seizures....


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: wrestler_az]
    #4747898 - 10/03/05 01:07 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

there really should be more human testing

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    #4747903 - 10/03/05 01:11 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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there really should be more human testing



I'll gladly volunteer.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Silversoul]
    #4747911 - 10/03/05 01:13 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

ME TOO!

haha. ecstasy is amazing. has changed my life. introduced it to a lot of people and they all loved it. incredible tool.

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    #4747920 - 10/03/05 01:16 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

YOURE an incredible tool :rolleyes:

:wink:

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    #4747921 - 10/03/05 01:16 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i love tool

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    #4747926 - 10/03/05 01:17 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

which reminds me, lateralus on e is cool.

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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: 40oz]
    #12646160 - 05/28/10 03:39 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

sorry for bump old, i know how not to now, deleting all my posts plz no ban me


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Cool Cat Coast]
    #12646540 - 05/28/10 04:45 PM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I wonder what happened to old Pee Wee 40?
Anybody ever hear from him

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    #12653735 - 05/30/10 01:08 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

i talk to him on aim every now and then. seems to be doing ok...


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    #12654380 - 05/30/10 07:09 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I'll admit to being obsessed with Ecstasy when I was younger.

I literally fell in love with this substance... It still holds a special place in my heart.

I suspect I've experienced more euphoria and bliss in my short life than most people will ever know.

If I died tomorrow, I'd be content... My cup has been over-filled time and time again.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Adamist]
    #12655131 - 05/30/10 11:10 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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I'll admit to being obsessed with Ecstasy when I was younger.

I literally fell in love with this substance... It still holds a special place in my heart.



I no longer get the kind of intense euphoria from ecstasy that I used to when I first started using it.  That's probably a good thing.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Silversoul]
    #12655146 - 05/30/10 11:14 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

I thought I lost the "magic" as well for awhile, until I found pure MDA.

I'd guess I've probably rolled 2-300 times.. it's impossible to be sure. So yeah, I think I qualify as an "E-tard". :lol:

I had quite a love affair with methylone too... MDMA's more timid cousin.

Also, combining MDMA/MDA with LSD = :awesome:


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Adamist]
    #12655159 - 05/30/10 11:18 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

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Also, combining MDMA/MDA with LSD = :awesome:



I can definitely vouch for that.  Those have been my best trips ever.

:awecid:

In fact, the only way I'm able to handle high doses of acid is to combine it with molly.


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Re: Confessions of an Etard. [Re: Silversoul]
    #12655174 - 05/30/10 11:20 AM (13 years, 9 months ago)

The empathogenic euphoria meshes seamlessly with the psychedelic aspects... If God takes drugs, this is the combo he'd go with.

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In fact, the only way I'm able to handle high doses of acid is to combine it with molly.



I'm kind of the same way. MDMA puts me at ease like nothing else.

It's the perfect way to begin a trip, and it guides you through with it's loving embrace.


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