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 Re: Splitting S&P - Poll  [Re: daimyo]
#4752772 - 10/04/05 01:14 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well since I'm not making the forum.. only blabbing about it.. we'll go with that. One is for debate, one is not. Plenty of people see a reason for its existence as the multiple polls show.
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Re: Splitting S&P - Poll [Re: Shroomism]
#4752782 - 10/04/05 01:20 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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1. Less drama.
How do you think this will be accomplished? By just the forum name? What are your thoughts?
2. More focused topics
More Focused than S&P is today... more focused than the other forum? Where do you think this line should be drawn? What do you mean by, "focused"? I am sincerely confused... can you clarify a bit?
3. Less debate = less sidetracking = less damaged egos and insults being slung.
Less debate? How will this be accomplished? How much less? Where do you think the line could be drawn? What debate would be allowed?
4. It has the ideas and experiences without someone demanding empirical evidence for a metaphysical and spiritual viewpoint.
So sorta' like the Trip Reports Sub Forum?
How much traffic do you expect it to get?
I think it is missing something which could make it more important than it sounds right now. Important like the other forum... but I can't put my finger on it.
Right now it sounds like a Subforum, but, I'd like to see it be a FORUM which can stand beside the other. I'd like a reason for people, other than those with sensitive egos, to benefit from BOTH Forums.
I'm not trying to antagonize, I'm trying to help move this foreword.
Here's an olive branch... hippie.
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Re: Splitting S&P - Poll [Re: daimyo]
#4752785 - 10/04/05 01:22 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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If interesting discussion takes place in both forums, then so be it. If, however, there is not a noticeable increase in quality of discussion(and to a lesser extent, increased participation), then I feel it will all have been for nothing, and the forums should merge back.
And if the forums were to merge back, then we're back to square one and back to the same old issues. Honestly, even if there is a decrease in quality of discussion as well as participation, I'll bet you that it wouldn't be percieved to be a problem serious enough to warrant the re-incorporation of S&P. This assumption is based on the predication that such issues, if they were ever to arise, simply don't outweigh the old issues.
Perhaps all we're really doing here, is trading old challenges/issues for a new set. This is akin to taking a water-blanket, and pushing down on a pocket of water, which then simultaneously causes other pockets of water to rise.
Certainly, it is no new and profound realization that there will always be some issues/problems in whatever way, shape or form, so I'll digress.
I also see that some people still think this is really about seperating philosophy from spirituality. And as others have mentioned, this is a dichotomization that can take place to a certain degree, but not in entirety. To fully dichotimize all P from all S simply isn't going to happen.
But, that isn't what this is about. This is about a dichotomy which is actually a more tangible accomplishment, the division between the "Prickles" and the "Goo", as Alan Watts phrased. That, is what this is about.
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Which is why I believe every attempt should be made to keep S&P together, before segregating this community.
I don't see a clear enough reason yet, aside from popular opinion... there are ways to make it work without a spit of community.
Wish I could change my vote.
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Re: Splitting S&P - Poll [Re: Rose]
#4752820 - 10/04/05 01:36 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm in favor of splitting the forum... I've grown a bit tired of seeing all these people whine and moan about having their beliefs and egos subject to scrutiny and cross-examination. I'd rather let them all have their own little heaven the Shroomery, and vice versa for the other crowd.
Like it or not, S&P will be a topic in both forums, albeit in different ways.
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Rose
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Yeah... I guess... but this way, I see one forum ultimately being absorbed by the other... sure, I'll wait it out, and see what happens, but I think The Shroomery could do something better, and more specific (than what's been presented so far). S&P is a HUGE part of the mushroom experience, after all.
I REALLY don't want to see this, "Us vs. them" thing to continue after the split, since it is why there's gonna' be a split, in the first place.
Segragation is the ONLY reason I currently see, for both forums to exist.
We can do better than that.
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Edited by Rose (10/04/05 01:45 AM)
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Re: Splitting S&P - Poll [Re: Rose]
#4752832 - 10/04/05 01:45 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I REALLY don't want to see this become us vs. them.
-=Thunder & lightning claps in the background=-
It's too late...
It has already begun.
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Rose
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And it CAN end.
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Re: Splitting S&P - Poll [Re: Rose]
#4752852 - 10/04/05 01:54 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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In theory, it can end, and of course, in the ultimate sense it does.
But in the meangtime, I don't think it ever really ends.
It's not the people here - it's the ideas & concepts that will always clash.
This is basically why it is an eternal conflict, so to speak.
I'm all eyes and ears if you have a serious proposal for a cure.
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Rose
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Well, I mean there CAN be a forum about S&P with less drama than we've recently seen in here (drama which was the fulcrum for the split) while still, allowing for open debate.
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Re: Splitting S&P - Poll [Re: Rose]
#4752862 - 10/04/05 02:01 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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The closest solution I can think of that may appease you and whoever else is in your boat, in addition to all the other people in favor of the split, is to leave this forum as is, with remaining rules [or slightly modified], but to have two sub-forums within this forum.
Philosophy and Rationalism
Spirituality and Mysticism
So in essence, both S and P would have their own branch, so to speak, and both would have the rules that've already been described and assigned to each.
Something like that, ja?
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Rose
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
That's so crazy it just might work.
Keep S&P WHILE running the experiment?
I LOVE IT!
I gotta' sit on that for a while.
You just blew my MIND.
It certainly wouldn't JUST cater to Swami's special needs. It serves a PURPOSE.
Instead of TOO MANY bans, S&P Mods could just move threads to the proper forum whenever shit happens... and avoid the spotlight!
WAY LESS DRAMA and SUBJECTIVITY.
BRILLIANT!
You get 5 shrooms for THAT!
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Edited by Rose (10/04/05 03:13 AM)
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Re: Splitting S&P - Poll [Re: Rose]
#4752889 - 10/04/05 02:23 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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But the old problems/issues of the S&P forum would still need to be addressed.
Or who knows, maybe all that could dissipate in the presence of two subforums - providing that the nature of P&R and S&M are made explicit by the staff of this site.
But still, there will be the noobs. So, Cervantes, pretend that I am a noob, and I've just stumbled into this forum, with those two sub-forums installed.
How would you go about selling this concept to me, so as to guide me to the proper forum?
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Re: Splitting S&P - Poll [Re: Rose]
#4752893 - 10/04/05 02:25 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Aw shucks, didn't see your ninja edits, hehe. Thanks.
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Rose
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Yeah man, let's check this idea for loopholes, it sounds too good to be true.
Swami would have a place, fluffy kittens would too! The Main forum would still be the main hub and if anyone got too defensive, or a topic became too hot, it could be moved... easy as pie.
Bans and drama would reduce because...
People who want a SPECIFIC experience could post in the proper subforum.
Mods would get LESS PUBLIC CRITICISM FOR BIAS.
Just convince the community to make good use of the Notify Mod button, and you've solved 90% of S&P's problems.
Am I missing something?
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Rose
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Quote:
SkorpivoMusterion said:
But still, there will be the noobs. So, Cervantes, pretend that I am a noob, and I've just stumbled into this forum, with those two sub-forums installed.
How would you go about selling this concept to me, so as to guide me to the proper forum?
Hey, that's MY question... and here's my answer... in the FORM of a question. 
Call the subforums, "Heaven and Hell"?
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Paradigm said:
I think Sclorch put it best:
Heaven - no question marks
Hell - no whining
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Reason for moving:
YOU AND YOUR THREAD HAVE BEEN PROMOTED TO HEAVEN... HERE'S YOUR WINGS, HARP, and HALO!
Quote:
Reason for moving:
YOU AND YOUR THREAD CAN GO TO HELL!
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Edited by Rose (10/04/05 02:48 AM)
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Re: Splitting S&P - Poll [Re: Rose]
#4752921 - 10/04/05 02:57 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Hell Rules:
1. There are NO FLAMES in Hell!
Quote:
You have been perma-banned from Heaven:
Reason:
No Trolls Allowed.
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Edited by Rose (10/04/05 03:12 AM)
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Re: Splitting S&P - Poll [Re: Rose]
#4753136 - 10/04/05 07:29 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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And the S&P must be Purgatory, .
It's really the "S&P" part that I was trying to figure out. In other words, what [different] function[s] will it serve, now that the two subforums would be branched out?
This is basically what I see happening.
People who want rational discussion and formal debate will go to P&R.
People who do not want any debate whatsoever at all, only sharing and support will go to S&M.
The S&P forum will be for those who don't really want to have a formal debate and discussion, nor are they looking for some support or experiences of the mystic order.
This "hub" would serve the 18% [and of course, more] of the populace that voted in favor of keeping the S&P as is, and would function as a place for light-hearted discussions involving personal matters/every-day-type things, etc., all related to generalized S&P-chat.
"I helped the disabled children yesterday, and..."
"My dog died yesterday, I.."
General things like that.
Any thread that is more rooted in serious-discussion and formal debate will be sent to the P&R, and any thread that is geared towards seeking affirmation and sharing, will belong in the S&M forum.
The descriptions & purpose of the subforums, would have to be made explicit, so that anybody with common sense and attention to the forum, should know where to go for what they want to talk about.
That's what I see happening in this scenario.
If the staff does split the S&P into P&R and S&M, and for some reason it really doesn't work out in the course of 90 days, then I think they should at least give the two-subforums-in-S&P plan a try-out.
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"What is the difference between the P forum and the S forum?"
i don't see why everyone is having such a hard time with this...
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Re: Splitting S&P - Poll [Re: dr0mni]
#4753425 - 10/04/05 09:32 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Brilliant clarification!  j/k
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