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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16615348 - 07/30/12 08:03 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

its interesting he uses vitamin C

i would very much like to know if the vitamin C tablets he uses contain citric acid.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Bluemookie]
    #16615349 - 07/30/12 08:03 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i like to add a bit of lime to my chopped of mushroom and let it sit for 5 minutes and then make a tea out of that, i also add a tea bag if Camomile tea to that, it really tastes good and the Camomile helps reduce the anxiety of the come up and is relaxing throughout the length of the trip.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: floydfan37]
    #16615768 - 07/30/12 10:17 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I dont know if ive contributed to this experiment yet, but i soaked ground up dried 2.0 gs of some mushroom (i dont know the species but they looked like different kinds in one bad, some were cubes but some were likely other types) but they were from a reliable source anyway, well i did the 2.0 gs ground up and soaked in squeezed lemon juice for 15 minutes (stirred it every 5 mintues), downed that an had a nice trip, not strong visually but i felt the body high. I dont think it made the trip stronger but definitely quicker, however it tasted like straight puke. The taste kinda rly messed with me, also had squeezed limes in the juice so it wasnt tasty, wouldnt try again because unless i did it wrong i dont really dont think it potentiated anything.

Btw i apologize for any errors in this post, im typin on my phone >.>

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Cactilove]
    #16617461 - 07/30/12 04:14 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Cactilove said:
some people are hard heads, Id be pissed if  I had to spend that much to feel a good effect.



Good thing I don't have to pay anything.:grin:  When you have pounds of dried mushrooms sitting around, dosage amounts really don't mean anything. :shrug:  Plus....my friends love me. :lol:


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: k00laid]
    #16617470 - 07/30/12 04:16 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

:ahahaha:
I was talking about having to buy 7 grams of mushrooms and not feeling much, not about buying lemons!!!!!


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Cactilove]
    #16619932 - 07/31/12 12:08 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

oh

it only costs me maybe 5 bucks or less per dry ounce.

not including time and labor, of course.


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Re: The Lemon Experience... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: Underhillmaster] * 3
    #18400504 - 06/10/13 11:35 PM (11 years, 18 days ago)

Hi all,
Firstly, I'm new to this forum but have lurked for awhile now.
Secondly, I know this thread is old but I would still like to add my input to the discussion.

I'm finished reading the entire thread regarding this topic and I must say, it has been a frustrating experience reading some of the naive and closed minded replies and the completely disorganised experiment process. I am in no way a scientist but have a degree in psychology and understand the effects of placebo and principles of the scientific process. So here is my 2 cents worth for what it's worth.

1. If you have not experienced something then you can not claim to know whether it works or doesn't work. IMO it is like claiming electricity does not exist because you can not see it. We all know it exists because when you plug an appliance into your socket it begins to work or if you touch a live wire you get a shock.
So for all you people that claim it doesn’t work and have not tried it then, either try it yourself using the proper method or don’t make claim that it can’t, won’t, doesn’t work because unless you’ve attempted the procedure all you can do is “assume” or make wild accusations or assumptions based on your own untested opinions. If you are unwilling to try it (don’t know why you would be) then it’s probably best you don’t make claim to it not working or visa-versa.

2. I have experience in the use of psilocybin containing mushrooms. I do not use them as recreational fun rather, I use them for the journey they create in one's mind to assist in a possible understanding of one self and the connection with life in general. I have eaten them raw, dry, in tea and in freshly squeezed lemon juice (shot glass quantity) with powdered material aswell as powdered into water.

3. It is my understanding that psilocybin is inactive and the active chemical which produces the experience is psilocin. Psilocybin is relatively stable whilst psilocin is unstable when exposed to oxygen but is stable in an acidic environment. Also, an acidic solution is better for extracting and converting the psilocybin to psilocin than other liquids. Something along those lines. So when you ingest the mushroom content your stomach acid begins the process of extracting the psilocybin from the raw material and converting it to the active compound psilocin which is then absorbed into the body.

4. The lemon juice being an acid begins this process before ingestion and also assists in stabilizing the psilocin in the acidic solution. Grinding the mushroom material into a powder form helps to speed this process up and also helps the body to process more of the active ingredients before leaving the stomach and passing through the intestines and thus discarded in the digestion process. Therefore, a greater percentage of the active ingredient is utilized in the body rather than being excreted.

5. There is no scientific method to the experiment because there is no control over the dose, the ingredients used (lemon, orange, absorbic acid, cranberry, grapefruit etc), the setting, the strength of material used, the process and so on. From what I've read, everyone appears to be doing the "experiment" in a different way. For example: Some use more lemon juice than others, some use fresh and others use processed, some mix and drink straight away, some leave to soak for 5, 10, 15 minutes etc, some use different juices, some use other substances with their mushrooms and the list goes on. The experimental process that I've witnessed whilst reading is like "hearsay" because it is inconsistent and flawed. However, this doesn't prove it works or doesn't work it just means the results can not be relied upon or used as absolute evidence of causation or correlation between lemon juice and psilocybin/psilocin.

6. Another issue is tolerance. Some people have tried it only a day or two after already dosing which in theory will decrease the effect due to tolerance. Others have not ingested mushrooms for some time and others are using completely different substances to test the theory. Why would you use a different substance when the whole theory is based around psilocybin/psilocin? What does that prove other than inappropriate results that do not relate to the theory?

7. It is my opinion that there is some type of correlation or interaction based upon my own experience.
I have tried the lemon method with a shot of lemon juice and powdered dry shrooms however, when I tried it I was completely unaware of the alleged claims of increased strength etc. I used the lemon method purely to mask the taste and had not read or heard about any such theory.

8. My belief is this:
a) Powdering the mushrooms increases surface area and makes it easier and quicker for the body to break down the ingested material.
b) Soaking the powdered material in the lemon juice does three things.
1. Begins extraction of the active component
2. Provides a stable environment for the psilocin
3. Creates a faster acting method of delivery (psilocin containing liquid)
c) This in turn reduces the time it takes for the psilocin to react in the body and thus, onset of symptoms is approximately halved.
d) More of the active ingredient is being extracted and used by the body compared to some other methods of ingestion. The experience feels more intense due to the quicker onset and possible higher quantity of useable psilocin made available from the same quantity of ingredients (less is wasted through digestion)
e) Because the effects of the psilocin are brought on quicker, this may cause the person to feel as though the affects are stronger because they are used to experiencing a slow increase in strength over a period of an hour or more.
f) The effects may appear to be shorter in duration but, this may be due to the quicker onset which would usually take an hour or more to reach peak strength. So if you added the extra hour on then, the length of trip would basically be the same.
g) The effects fade off quicker at the end because all or most of the material has been digested and therefore, leaving no active ingredients to linger. Whereas, if you had simply eaten the raw material (dry or wet) it may be possible for traces of the active ingredient to still be in the stomach and therefore, slight fluctuation of effects may still be experienced.

9. For an experiment to work the participant must not know what the expected outcome is going to be otherwise the “placebo” affect may hinder the results. All one needs to tell the participant is that Lemon juice is being used to mask the flavour of the mushroom.

For this experiment to work the following details need to be considered.
a) Participants must not know the expected outcome.
b) The material used must be of same potency in every trial
c) The method of ingestion must be the same for every trial
d) The same ingredients must be used for the test subjects (fresh lemon juice, powdered mushrooms)
e) The mixture must be allowed to soak in the juice for the same amount of time (ie. 15 minutes)
f) Each participant needs to be tested to obtain the correct dose without lemon juice as everyone has different tolerance to psilocin.
g) The environment needs to be the same for each participant
h) The contents of the stomach must be the same (ie. Fasting for ? period of time)
i) Double blind study
j) Control groups
k) And the list goes on.
In order for the results to be reliable and valid, the experiment must be conducted in the same way every time and the method and results must be able to be reproduced by other experimenters or it will be classed as invalid.

10. If you want to perform the experiment online through the forums to acquire a rough conclusion of results then everyone who attempts it needs to do the exact same method which I think should be something as follows.
a) Use you normal dose for the experiment
b) Use powdered dry mushrooms with fresh lemon juice of a shot glass quantity.
c) Do not refrigerate as this has been suspected to impair the results.
d) Let the solution sit for 15 minutes in room temperature.
e) If giving to a friend then tell them you are using the lemon juice to mask the taste of the mushroom. Do not suggest they will get a stronger or more intense trip.
f) Keep the environment as similar as possible (in the peace and quiet of your home or somewhere in nature) not at concerts, clubs etc because that can drastically affect your experience due to the external stimulation.
g) Don’t try to analyse your experience while under the influence. Just try enjoy your experience as you normally would.
h) Don’t use other substances whilst testing the theory
i) Wait at least 2 weeks between trips to avoid tolerance problems

You get the idea anyway. Everyone needs to use the same ingredients (everyone has access to fresh lemons) and the same quantity of lemon juice. It’s also best to use a mushroom that you have a reasonably good idea of its strength.

Anyway, that’s my thoughts. I do believe it does make a difference but I don’t believe it increases potency. I believe it utilises more of the active ingredient which increases the strength but not potency. I also believe the quicker onset gives the perception of a more intense trip but not necessarily a placebo affect. Although I do agree that some people who have tried it are experiencing both a placebo affect and the actual affect. However, those who have not tried it and are claiming its all placebo have no justification for their assumptions because they are only guessing. So rather than making wild assumptions just give it a go and see for yourself. If you decide that you don’t want to then don’t bother arguing its placebo without evidence.

Cheers, hope you can be bothered to take to time to read my thoughts.
Take care and be safe!


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Re: The Lemon Experience... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: MrRustic]
    #18401671 - 06/11/13 06:39 AM (11 years, 18 days ago)

Lemon teking works.  4 grams blended to cocaine powder consistently, thrown in a cup of 2 freshly squeezed organic lemon juice.  Stirring every 10 minutes letting it sit in the mix for an hour.  Within 5 minutes I was fetal position 20 minutes I peaked.  Shorter trip but defiantly stronger.


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Re: The Lemon Experience... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #18401756 - 06/11/13 07:14 AM (11 years, 18 days ago)

I prefer the lemon method because there are no chunks, no chewing dried up shrooms just a quick shot of lemon juice and not long to wait. I like the quick onset and I like the feel of the journey.
The quicker you get there, the sooner you can start your journey.


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Re: The Lemon Experience... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: MrRustic]
    #18424525 - 06/15/13 07:05 PM (11 years, 14 days ago)

so my first time trying lemon tek is going to be i nabout 10 mins
i have freshly squezzed 2 lemons and got about 2 shot glasses worth of lemon juice in a cup and i have grounded up 2.5 grams of psilocybin Warera var subzoids lol and have them in the cup now and mixing with a straw evey minit or so :smile:

normaly 2 grams does pre shit all for me just brighter colors etc no CEV or OEV so will tell you how this goes soon :smile:)

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Re: The Lemon Experience... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: Snorkchris]
    #18424757 - 06/15/13 08:06 PM (11 years, 14 days ago)

dissapointing result non of the less, its been about 40 mins and nothing im convinced this is all i will get :P so nothing haha ohwell i might try 3.5g of subs oneday but in the mean time the lemon tek with 2g of thos mushrooms dont seem to work :P im blaming the shrooms not the lemon aswell lol

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Re: The Lemon Experience... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: Snorkchris]
    #18424761 - 06/15/13 08:07 PM (11 years, 14 days ago)

I have heard that fresh shrooms can be placed into a bottle of lemon or lime juice then frozen, (freezing causes the cell walls to break down which I believe would be the same as powdering)once ready to partake you just have to thaw/shake (to break down all solids) then drink, is this an easy and safe way to store said yummy goodness as I am new to the world of natural hallucinogenics and I am a little wary of the way some people say that mould can grow on dried shrooms, I live in a very tropical environment and it is very hard to keep said beauties dry and crisp. My second ever flush is pinning as I write this and any info on this method of storage would greatly benefit me and my journey.
Thanks all.

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Re: The Lemon Experience... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: Snorkchris]
    #18424769 - 06/15/13 08:09 PM (11 years, 14 days ago)

I tried this a couple years ago for the first time and haven't taken shrooms a different way since. 

It is absolutely the best method of taking shrooms I've ever tried.  The comeup is quicker and the trip is stronger. 

I've tripped off doses as small as .5g using lemon tek, and never really have to go beyond 2g.  Tho I have tried up to 3g this way

I've tried with and without lemons, with great effects either way.  I think the real key is ingesting the shrooms in powder(or close enough to powder) form.  It obviously gets absorbed into your system more quickly this way and it makes sense that you would have a stronger/slightly shorter experience

I def approve of this method

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Re: The Lemon Experience... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: Melkor]
    #18428045 - 06/16/13 02:35 PM (11 years, 13 days ago)

So I had 2 gram lemon tek and then ate one small mushroom prob about .5 gram 1 hr later
Then after 2 hr to 2 1/2 hrs hours later it finally hit me but it slowly came on and slowly went off no real peak? So I'm confused about people saying it hits u fast cause it hit me so fkn late I thought it didn't work lol :p

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Re: The Lemon Experience... [now a community experiment - please contribute] [Re: Snorkchris]
    #18428085 - 06/16/13 02:46 PM (11 years, 13 days ago)

Ate 3.5 grams of some shrooms once. Didn't feel like an eighth at all. Ate 1.75 grams lemon tek'd of the same batch a week later and it felt like an eighth.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: StickyWater]
    #18429066 - 06/16/13 06:27 PM (11 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

StickyWater said:
Would the acid in the cranberry juice not be simply acting as a catalyst speeding up the rate at which the psilocybin is absorbed into the bloodstream? How long did your trip last? Did you notice any difference in length between cranberry juice and lemon juice?

Sorry if I missed those details in your original post, but I'm tempted to think that you merely found a way to get an all at once rush from your mushies, rather than the steady climb people usualy experience...

I guess it's lke the Aquavite of mushrooms  :laugh:
(drink it a little too fast and you'll see what I'm talking about)




This is a surprisingly important distinction for substance use. For the same reason that heroin is only active as morphine that is turbo-shot through the blood brain barrier...nifty idea for a hallucinogen, huh? Maybe citrus is just simple enough to work.




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Re: I may have discovered something... *DELETED* [Re: numonkei]
    #18559933 - 07/14/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: chums of chance]
    #18559972 - 07/14/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 11 months ago)

It needs to be in real fresh squeezed lemon juice for 1 hour


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: The Doobie Dude] * 1
    #18560198 - 07/15/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

[[citation needed]]

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: chums of chance]
    #18561130 - 07/15/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 11 months ago)

Fuck it, eaten about 2g of Penis envy, but my tolerance is just too high, then came across this, 13:08 took a shot of lemon juice with about quarter gram of the shroom just to try, feeling quite nice, a noticeable difference actually! Gunna take half a g in a shot and will update later,
btw 15:39 now

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