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laotzo
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: owner]
#11308177 - 10/23/09 07:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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perhaps try the 2 grams lemon tek and then a gram normally ....i think the sudden drop off at the end is most likely simply an effect of "compressing" the trip since one starts off with more psilocin than psilocybin.
taking a gram "normally" would let you have a bit of a delayed boost to the trip that would taper off normally.
personally, i love a quick end, as by the time its over, i am usually ready for it to be done by an hour or more.
as i get older i like to trip hard but not as long...thus shrooms instead of LSD ...the exception being some PE and B+ mixed in dose..I still hadn't peaked at 6 hours on 3 g....good lord.  
anyway good luck
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jared11
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: XUL]
#11308197 - 10/23/09 07:15 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I will give this a try in the near, near future
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Mr.Al
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Psiledehysp]
#11308277 - 10/23/09 07:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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It might be interesting to potentiate the lemon/lime tek with some syrian rue...
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danceparty
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Mr.Al]
#11320246 - 10/25/09 06:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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does everyone here strain their shrooms out before drinking the lemon? just wondering if theres a difference
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BeefWatson
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: danceparty]
#11320434 - 10/25/09 07:02 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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danceparty said: does everyone here strain their shrooms out before drinking the lemon? just wondering if theres a difference
leave it
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AquaKet
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: BeefWatson]
#11320716 - 10/25/09 07:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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BeefWatson said:
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danceparty said: does everyone here strain their shrooms out before drinking the lemon? just wondering if theres a difference
leave it
definitely leave it a lot of the actives break down in the lemon juice but im sure not all just leave it, let the broken down actives hit you strongly the rest of it in the shrooms will come quickly after
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FlyingMonk
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: AquaKet]
#11364237 - 11/01/09 05:43 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay. I was wondering if anyone has found a way to make the lemon juice. And then add it to something so that it can be saved. Like maybe chocolate or something along those lines. So you can make a whole bunch and save it and take it with you. Or maybe give to a bunch of friends at the bar. I like dosing all my friends at the bar.
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americantradition
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: FlyingMonk]
#11366170 - 11/01/09 10:46 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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i hear you can soak it in spores, then smoke them brah...hahah sike.
i was thinking the same thing as the flying monk, anyone ever tried making lemon cookies or anything or would that just defeat the purpose. does it just hit you quiker and harder because its already a liquid and is less to break down in your body. i was wondering if there is a way to store them after mixing them with the juice, and if so, how long will they last...i.e. for travel and such...
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thefrog91
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Re: MAOI + Lemon Tek + mushrooms = ? [Re: thefrog91]
#11383699 - 11/04/09 12:49 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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thefrog91 said: Does anyone have any experience combining the lemon tek method with 3g or so of Syrian Rue or another MAOI? I understand that this basic concept is the idea behind "gummihuasca", but how would the trip be affected with a stronger MAOI? It's to my understanding that the lemon tek causes a trip to be more intense but shorter, and that MAO inhibition intensifies and lengthens a trip. Would the two combined be an effective and, most importantly, safe way to produce a longer, stronger trip than normal?
Well, a friend and I did exactly this recently. I'll spare everyone a full trip report, but suffice to say that this combination resulted in a stronger experience than I ever would have thought. I had tried 2g dried shrooms soaked in lemon juice before, and it brought me to a pleasant ++ level. My social and locomotive abilities were (more or less) intact, and the trip never seemed overwhelming at any point.
A few weeks after that, the same friend and I parachuted 3g syrian rue about 45 minutes before drinking the lemon juice-cubensis slush. By the time we had walked fifteen minutes to find a place to smoke a bowl, we were already at a +. The next three hours were spent with our brains in hyperspace. Movement was all but impossible - I found that I couldn't sit up for more than a few minutes at a time - and articulation was sparse. At one point, I turned a light on for a moment to find my hat, and it stayed on for half an hour before my friend said "dude... why is the light on?", and then it would stayed on for another half an hour before one of us thought to turn it off. CEVs were beautiful, totally 3D and immersive, and OEVs were strong as well. At one point, I remember bursting out in laughter, saying "the walls are just moving so much!"
So in summary, the lemon tek will knock your trip up a notch, but adding syrian rue to the equation will blast you out of this world.
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shroom239
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Re: MAOI + Lemon Tek + mushrooms = ? [Re: thefrog91]
#11383904 - 11/04/09 01:19 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is one hell of an idea, I am going to have to try this out sometime.
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all_for_war
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Re: MAOI + Lemon Tek + mushrooms = ? [Re: shroom239]
#11384620 - 11/04/09 02:43 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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if lemon experience means www.lemonparty.org/ your pretty weird
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mufasa
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Re: MAOI + Lemon Tek + mushrooms = ? [Re: all_for_war]
#11522948 - 11/24/09 10:31 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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i can't wait to try this. thanks for the great ideas.
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sandman_130
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Re: MAOI + Lemon Tek + mushrooms = ? [Re: thefrog91]
#11522979 - 11/24/09 10:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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thefrog91 said:
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thefrog91 said: Does anyone have any experience combining the lemon tek method with 3g or so of Syrian Rue or another MAOI? I understand that this basic concept is the idea behind "gummihuasca", but how would the trip be affected with a stronger MAOI? It's to my understanding that the lemon tek causes a trip to be more intense but shorter, and that MAO inhibition intensifies and lengthens a trip. Would the two combined be an effective and, most importantly, safe way to produce a longer, stronger trip than normal?
Well, a friend and I did exactly this recently. I'll spare everyone a full trip report, but suffice to say that this combination resulted in a stronger experience than I ever would have thought. I had tried 2g dried shrooms soaked in lemon juice before, and it brought me to a pleasant ++ level. My social and locomotive abilities were (more or less) intact, and the trip never seemed overwhelming at any point.
A few weeks after that, the same friend and I parachuted 3g syrian rue about 45 minutes before drinking the lemon juice-cubensis slush. By the time we had walked fifteen minutes to find a place to smoke a bowl, we were already at a +. The next three hours were spent with our brains in hyperspace. Movement was all but impossible - I found that I couldn't sit up for more than a few minutes at a time - and articulation was sparse. At one point, I turned a light on for a moment to find my hat, and it stayed on for half an hour before my friend said "dude... why is the light on?", and then it would stayed on for another half an hour before one of us thought to turn it off. CEVs were beautiful, totally 3D and immersive, and OEVs were strong as well. At one point, I remember bursting out in laughter, saying "the walls are just moving so much!"
So in summary, the lemon tek will knock your trip up a notch, but adding syrian rue to the equation will blast you out of this world.
Did you have any nausea? The only way I can ingest rue is by steeping in a small amount of water and straining. I then mix that with mush/lemon tea. Doesn't seem as harsh as straight rue.
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danielx
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: waffles123]
#11523563 - 11/25/09 12:08 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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waffles123 said: Would the heat from one of these food processors' blades (magic bullet) denature the psilocybin? Yesterday two friends used a food processor to grind up 1.7grams each and put it into a shot glass filled with lemon juice. They let their solutions sit (stirring and all) for an hour before drinking, and didn't feel anything at all. Not even weakened effects. I know their shrooms were good because I've eaten the same ones a few weeks ago and they were quite strong.

i somehow doubt it created enough heat to ruin the chemical, it shouldn't have taken longer then a couple of seconds to blend the shrooms.
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psilotek
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: danielx]
#11524138 - 11/25/09 04:05 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm going to check and see if there is an enzyme that resides in lemon or lime as well as cranberry to see if possibly that could be the cause for the intensified effects. Enzymes break things down so possibly an enzyme is breaking down psilocybin into psilocin which is what the enzymes in your stomach are doing(I think it's metabolical? not sure) but if so then that would conclude that what is happening is you are metabolizing the chemicals before they reach digestion, which prevents any psilocybin being absorbed by the body and allowing the stronger psilocin to be more prominent. Just a theory. If anyone wants to take me up on this please help me research. I found that if you want pronounced effects, don't sleep or eat a full meal for 24 hours and throw back a few beers. I had a rather strong experience on that a few nights ago. It was as if someone opened up my skull and crammed a lifetime of thoughts and images through a funnel into my head.
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jimbotron
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: psilotek]
#11524172 - 11/25/09 04:36 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well you're talking about protonating the tryptamine oxygen and lemon juice has a hell of a lot of protons. Dephosphorylation usually requires an enzyme because at physiological pH there isn't enough protons for this to happen often, but with excess [H+] it should happen easily. I think it's just the acidity that hydrolyzes psilocybin, not a stomach enzyme; normally if you're eating shrooms on an empty stomach it takes a while for your stomach to secrete all that acid and so it takes longer to hit.
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: jimbotron] 1
#11526047 - 11/25/09 12:37 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just did the lemontek last night with mt brother. we split half eighth of PE and let them soak for about 45 min. Comeup was longer than I expected, about 50 min. Once I felt the effects and my feet tingle it was about 3 min until i was faced. If i would of been standing at the time in hit me i would of face planted onto my kitchen floor. Also my mom got woken up by our music and came downstairs asking why we were awake at 3am. It was an interesting convo to say the least.
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danielx
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: jimbotron]
#11526136 - 11/25/09 12:54 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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jimbotron said: normally if you're eating shrooms on an empty stomach it takes a while for your stomach to secrete all that acid and so it takes longer to hit.
that doesn't make any sense, perhaps you misspoke? Why would an empty stomach mean longer take off time? I think its quite the opposite from what ive experienced.
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jimbotron
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: danielx]
#11526929 - 11/25/09 03:13 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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danielx said:
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jimbotron said: normally if you're eating shrooms on an empty stomach it takes a while for your stomach to secrete all that acid and so it takes longer to hit.
that doesn't make any sense, perhaps you misspoke? Why would an empty stomach mean longer take off time? I think its quite the opposite from what ive experienced.
I meant eating them plain on an empty stomach takes longer than lemon tek. Poor wording.
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batheinthefountain
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: jimbotron]
#11544570 - 11/28/09 05:51 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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so i had an idea today while i was tripping:
if psilocybin and LSD are so much the "same" in their structure, would lemon teking the lsd also make in stronger?
i don't know if thats even possible, i never had acid... might be a dumb noob question
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