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perfectsphere

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Re: I may have discovered something... [now a community experiment - please contribute] *DELETED* [Re: requiem99]
#4986069 - 11/27/05 11:58 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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haysanatar
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: perfectsphere]
#4986420 - 11/27/05 02:04 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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hitchhikers guide to the galaxy knew it all along.. think about it.. what did they put in the thinking hat to make whats his face.. better.. lemons.. yeah.. and we all know that movie was made for drugs.. by drugs.. ps I plan on doin 2 grams not ground but finely cut in lemon juice tonight to see if works.. and I aint a light tripper a small dose for me is.. 5grams so.. we'll see
-------------------- There is no difference in principle between sharpening perception with an external instrument, such as a microscope, and sharpening it with an internal instrument, such as one of these...drugs. If they are an affront to the dignity of the mind, the microscope is an affront to the dignity of the eye and the telephone to the dignity of the ear. Strictly speaking, these drugs do not impart wisdom at all, any more than the microscope alone gives knowledge. They provide the raw materials of wisdom, and are useful to the extent that the individual can integrate what they reveal into the whole pattern of his behavior and the whole system of his knowledge
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Bamaman
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Bamaman]
#4988955 - 11/28/05 07:38 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have now tried this acidic method 4 times; 1g the 1st time, 3g the 2nd time, 6g the 3rd time, and 7g night before last. Each time I used fresh lemon/limes on a empty stomach and was stoned before during and after.
IMHO...
+'s
Stronger visuals(incl. CEV's), definitely. Shorter trip, a little. Faster comedown, definitely. Less nausea, definitely. Less anxiety, definitely. _________ _________
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Shorter trip, a little. Weaker mental tripping, definitely. Weaker euphoric waves, definitely. ________ ________
I feel there is definitely something to be gained from ingestion w/highly acidic juices. It all depends on what you want out of your trip and I suppose the duration, time and place you want to take them.
I felt as if the acidic ingestion method left me much more socially capable than just straight chewing. Better mental focus and less anxiety were probably to two most noticeable reasons for this.
I will say that even though the visuals seemed dramatically increased, the mental trip was far short of what I would have normally expected to accompany it. Except for...the bathroom.
As I am sure many of you know, and I have even seen a thread or 3 on the subject here, using the bathroom(#1or2), can be an intense moment in ones normal shroom trip. I am assuming the reason for this is the bright lights which are often in bathrooms, combined with the straining of bladder and bowell muscles, and blood rushing to the head.
While performing either #1 or #2 in the bathroom the already juice enhanced visuals doubled and the mental trip went off the charts. I thought I may faint at one point. It was an awesome ride, unfortunately it wasn't in the location of choice... 
I do relish the mental aspect of my trips more than the visual, and extra anxiety doesn't bother me in a comfortable setting so I was dissappointed in the lack of mental tripping.
The other dissapointing thing was at one moment you were kinda' feeling them come on, then suddenly your hit with just about peak strength. Eating them without juice gets me off in a slow build up of effects.... little waves roll over me as it increases and I have always loved the feeling of it coming on. This feeling seems virtually non-exesitent with the juice method.
Anyway, thats some of my thoughts on the juice...hope it helps.
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Psiledehysp
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Bamaman]
#4989514 - 11/28/05 12:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=224669
Lol, "Don't believe everything you read at the shroomery."
-------------------- Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. - Carl Gustav Jung
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Asante
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Psiledehysp]
#4990018 - 11/28/05 02:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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That bluelight thread is interesting, because if you combine it with our thread here a pattern becomes visible.
1..If there is a sensational claim, there is a humongous force from the drug culture to tear it to shreds. Deny it is real, ridicule and disqualify the people who claim it is and deny all observations as unscientific. You saw it on blue, you saw it on the early pages here.
Are we that cynical? Are we, the psychedelic explorers, that resistant to change and sceptic?
2..Judgemental. Everybody is judging, but *very* few actually bother to get off their asses and confirm or deny the findings from personal experience.
What ever happened to the spirit of invention?
3..Under The Rug. The majority who tried it even at bluelight report it actually does work, (check their thread: its true ^_^) but their findings are ignored as the discussion is kept academic.
4..Peg It Down. People feel an irresistible need to find a simple explanation as they can't stand being in the dark. So the whole dsiscussion is steered into the direction of "more efficient extraction". Whiterasta gave an alternate explanation but was ignored in favor of the simpler model.
You see it here as well as on bluelight: i don't mean specific people but the psychedelic subculture as a whole reacts downright autistic to something which may rock their world beyond their comfort zone.
I mean: with a claim of 2-5x potency increase (or a super easy psilocybin extraction in another thread) you would expect people to jump all over it in one squirming pile of berserkly experimenting hippies 
But no. Most trippers do not snap out of posting mode and take it into the real world of their own trips. They don't even try.
Fucked up. What ever happened to an open mind?
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Psiledehysp
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Asante]
#4990304 - 11/28/05 03:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont know what happend to opened minds, Wiccan, but when I read what you have just posted I know I`m in the right place .
Yes forget actually trying it, if science doesnt have the answer than who cares. Do you have to understand everything to experience it?
-------------------- Who looks outside, dreams; who looks inside, awakes. - Carl Gustav Jung
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requiem99
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Psiledehysp]
#4993153 - 11/29/05 06:00 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is a thread over at Somethingawful about this too, with tons of ridicule, rejection, and loud cries of "bullshit" from people who won't even try it themselves. Makes me sick.
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demiu5
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Psiledehysp]
#4993443 - 11/29/05 09:45 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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So I guess we're the crazy ones then?
I will continue to try same dosages, one without any fresh lemon, and then same dose with fresh squeezed lemon; so will my friends that trip with me. We'll make our own decisions.
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ladysalvia
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: demiu5]
#4993740 - 11/29/05 11:23 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey everyone! I've done shrooms 3 times so far and last night was by far the most intense and fun trip I've had.
The first time I did 3.5g. I just ate them plain and washed down with a coke. It took about an hour before I started feeling anything, and I only got minor visuals. It was still a good time though. The trip lasted about 6 hours and I still felt a slight body high the next morning.
The second time I did 1.2g. I ground them up with a coffee grinder and ate them with a PB&J sandwich. yummy! Onset was a bit quicker this time at about 40 minutes. I got less visuals, but the body high was more intense than the first experience. I was back to baseline in 4 hours.
Third time! I ground up 2g and put them in a shot glass. I then peeled an orange and squeezed the juice into the glass and let it sit for 30 minutes. Then I hammered it down and chased it with a coke ! Tasted nasty, but it was over quick and not too bad.
# What liquid are you using? - Orange Juice . # How much liquid did you drink the powder with? (oz) - about 3oz . # Time to "first alert" (aka, "whoa, something's definitely going to happen") - 15 minutes . # Time to onset of visual disturbance - 45 minutes . # Time to peak (rough estimate) - 90 minutes . # Time to first sign of diminishing effects - approx 180 minutes. I ate another orange and it kicked back in for about 15-20 minutes. . # Time to baseline (indiscernable effects) - Tried to sleep after 4 hours, took 2 more hours to fall asleep, followed by crazy dreams and a lot of waking up.
I will use this method from now on as it was a lot more enjoyable. I'll try lemon juice next time though.
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wbread
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I've done mushrooms quite a few times over the past 5 years, and quite frankly, the experiance seemed to loose it's magic. I'd get plenty high, but i wasn't blown away like i used to be. I chalked this up to becoming accoustomed to the experiance. I typicaly take about 4-5 grams (ground up as much as possible in water or on a bread with jam) when i eat shrooms, and usually my own batch, so the potency is roughly constant. After reading this post, i tried taking lemon juice extract ("real lemon" brand, the one in the plastic lemon) with my shrooms. I had 4 grams, and i couldnt get them to powder so i ground them up as much as possible and in the process of eating them, had about 3 or 4 shots of the lemon juice. I'm not sure about specifics, but the trip definatly comeon quicker then before, and i felt it was stronger - ie, i got the magic back, and was able to concentrate on and focus on ideas and visuals more then the previous few times i tripped. While this could be placebo, i doubt it because i was pretty skeptical, and sort of did it as a fluke, and wasnt really paying a huge amount of attention to any changes from my normal experiances (untill i was sober). Additionally, i would attribute these effects to the acidity, because i noticed on the bottle of lemon juice that it said "not a significant source of vit. C" among other things, which suprised me, because lemons are good for vit C. Also, i recall doing shrooms another time, and we ground them up and put them in V8 juice (also acidic), and while i didnt notice too much of a difference, my friends, also experianced, comented on how much faster the trip hit them, and seemed to enjoy themselves. So, i'm definatly going to do this again, but thats just my 2 cents.
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haysanatar
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: wbread]
#4994181 - 11/29/05 01:12 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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ight yall I have to trip reports Ight I don't know exactly how many times I've tripped but its over 20 and they are almost all over 5 grams cause thats how I roll.. ight so I tried .5 grams in 1/3 cup of lemon juice too see if it worked.. and it deffinately did.. I got about a 2.5 gram trip rollin out tons of pixels but not much movement kind athing goin and it was just.. you suddenly trippin.. than your suddenly not the next night I decided why not try 2 grams I should atleast get something.. and I did.. it tripped like 2 grams but shorter drew some kick ass stuff though so.. yeah it works forsure and I hope to have another trip report this weekend
-------------------- There is no difference in principle between sharpening perception with an external instrument, such as a microscope, and sharpening it with an internal instrument, such as one of these...drugs. If they are an affront to the dignity of the mind, the microscope is an affront to the dignity of the eye and the telephone to the dignity of the ear. Strictly speaking, these drugs do not impart wisdom at all, any more than the microscope alone gives knowledge. They provide the raw materials of wisdom, and are useful to the extent that the individual can integrate what they reveal into the whole pattern of his behavior and the whole system of his knowledge
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: haysanatar]
#4994286 - 11/29/05 01:34 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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just gonna throw someethings out I noticed the last 2 nights I didn't have stomach trouble.. at all I usually puke didn't even feel like I needed to I deffinately got more.. pixels or pink flecks than usual less.. stuff moving waving stuff more creative less.. mentally retarded
-------------------- There is no difference in principle between sharpening perception with an external instrument, such as a microscope, and sharpening it with an internal instrument, such as one of these...drugs. If they are an affront to the dignity of the mind, the microscope is an affront to the dignity of the eye and the telephone to the dignity of the ear. Strictly speaking, these drugs do not impart wisdom at all, any more than the microscope alone gives knowledge. They provide the raw materials of wisdom, and are useful to the extent that the individual can integrate what they reveal into the whole pattern of his behavior and the whole system of his knowledge
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Asante
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: haysanatar]
#4995910 - 11/29/05 07:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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*cuts off a bit of leaf and merrily carries it to the nest*
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5.2.2.1 Tea
The Pink One's Kick Ass Tea Recipe
Potential advantages of tea: the biggest advantage of using tea is that is can greatly reduce possible stomach upset. Tea also masks the taste (Some people find the taste of shrooms to be unpleasant).
Potential disadvantages of tea (or advantage depending on your perspective): Psychedelic effects may occur more rapidly (according to posts on The Shroomery).
Miquels Decoction
You can eliminate 80% of smell, taste and other byproducts in the mushroom flesh by making a crude 'decoction' with citric acid or lemon juice. Making a decoction instead of a boiled tea is a preferred way for 4 reasons.
1. Maintains maximum psilocybin which is slowly broken down by high heat. 2. Extracts mostly the psilocybin and not much of whatever other chemicals may be in the shrooms that cause nausea. 3. Reduces unpleasant flavor. 4. Hits the system faster. For CH releif could this possibly simulate the effects of a higher dose (because it hits the stomach in a readily available form all at once rather than being slowly digested from the mushroom tissue)
To make a decoction using mushrooms and C
Take your dose and grind it into a powder in a coffee grinder. This maximizes the available surface area of the shrooms and speeds the process.
Heat 3/4 cup water *almost* to boiling and let sit for 5 minutes. Dump in mushroom powder and add 1/2 tsp of powdered vitamin C or squeeze in 1/2 of a Lime or Lemon. Stir for a little while and let sit for 5 minutes Strain the mix thru a fine mesh or a cheese-cloth - strain it twice if necessary till you have a mostly chunk free liquid.
The C separates the psilocybin from the mushroom tissue rapidly (if it's ground up) - dont leave it sitting a long time or you will get more of the other stuff you don't want into the decoction.
Ideally you want to have as little carrier liquid as possible for the now extracted psilocybin. (like 1/3 of a cup or so) When added to a strong flavored juice the taste and smell of the mushrooms(for me this is a nausea trigger)is absent, ... perhaps a very slight metallic aftrtaste.
If you have as little carrier liquid as possible - you have already done the work that normally takes your stomach 20 minutes to 1 hour to accomplish. The juice is more rapidly absorbed ... getting CH stopping molecules in greater numbers to the brain, with no time or energy spent on digestion. Instead of the 1gm dose entering the system spread over the course of 1 or 2 hours of digestion (which halts as you start to trip) .... it all goes in directly, spread over 20 minutes. The net time at your 'peak' is shorter too
It seems that if there is truly a "shock" effect that resets the hypothalimus, the effect many are seeking by taking larger doses, you can get the most BANG per Gram by taking a strong decoction on a lightly full stomach .... like 2 hrs after eating a moderate meal.
Source: CLUSTERBUSTERS - Hallucinogenic Treatment Of Neuro-Vascular Headaches FAQ
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Looks like we reinvented the wheel, and are doing a damn good job reinventing it!
A small volume of Lemon Juice/Citric Acid/Ascorbic Acid causing a faster, fortified effect which gets a bigger bang per gram is precisely what we're doing in both our shotglass-of-lemonjuice experiment as my experiment with 1 fl oz of 5% ascorbic acid.
The faster effect of shorter duration, potentiation of the drug effects, masking the taste and reduction of nausea - it's all there!
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kingfish4200
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Asante]
#4996647 - 11/29/05 10:24 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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GOD DAMN!! THANK YOU!! I get vasculer headaces all the damn time! Now I have a medical reason to eat mushrooms! ...lol...YES!!
-------------------- "The answer is never the answer. What's really interesting is the mystery. If you seek the mystery instead of the answer, you'll always be seeking. I've never seen anybody really find the answer-- they think they have, so they stop thinking. But the job is to seek mystery, evoke mystery, plant a garden in which strange plants grow and mysteries bloom. The need for mystery is greater than the need for an answer." -- Ken Kesey
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Asante
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: kingfish4200]
#4998570 - 11/30/05 01:34 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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The thread until now in convenient PDF form for quick reference. Well, quick.. its 191 pages
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Herbus
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Asante]
#4998610 - 11/30/05 01:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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My preferred new method is incredibly easy and even more incredibly effective. Take a shot glass, or regular glass, and add about a 1 gram (or more, you're own personal preference) ground up dried mushrooms. Mix in enough lemon juice so that the dried material becomes suspended. Then dilute the lemon juice a lil' bit with some water. Let the solution sit for about 15-20 mins and then gulp in one swig (easy). About 15-20 minutes later, or in one occasion, about ten minutes (empty stomach) you'll start feeling some incredibly quick-rising effects. It comes on damn quick and once it starts, it reaches the peak within a real short duration.
I find these low-dose ingestions great for any occasion!
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Edited by Herbus (11/30/05 01:53 PM)
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DyeGreen
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Herbus]
#5000863 - 11/30/05 11:03 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have an 8th, me and 2 friends are heading to an Ekoostik Hookah show in Ann Arbor this weekend... I personally find tripping and concerts really hard to handle on a whole bag, but if we split this bag between 3 people and all did the lemon trick, do you figure it would end up being about like doing half an 8th? (which would be fantastic).
I guess i'm kinda worried we'll A: get nothing off it or B: If this actually does work, trip balls and have to leave the show haha.
(side note... do you have a tricks on making it through concerts? it's always just soooo intense.)
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Psiledehysp
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: DyeGreen]
#5001372 - 12/01/05 04:21 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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As people stated in this thread, potentiation could be 5x or none - so there isn`t really saying if it`ll be like half eight, like 1/3 of 8th or like 5g... Probably somewhere around 1/16 - 1/8 but who knows.
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Asante
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: DyeGreen]
#5001405 - 12/01/05 05:55 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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If you respond like me and my friends then 1-2 shotglasses of lemon juice will probably give a potentiation of 2-3x meaning that 1/8 split in threes w/ lemon will probably feel like 2/3 of an eighth (the regular amnount our members take) to 1/8 oz each.
Over here in Holland we see a consistent 2-3x potentiation, at least me & m,yu friends estimate it to be that much.
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DyeGreen
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Asante]
#5002523 - 12/01/05 01:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks for the responces... And the general word seems to be about a trip lasting 3 hours that ends pretty suddenly and starts suddenly as well aye? (I happen to enjoy the long come down, er 'afterglow' after a trip). Just trying to pace out the day so we don't peak during the actual show (i'd have to leave, i'm sure. haha
I'll report what happens on Sunday!
Edited by DyeGreen (12/01/05 03:59 PM)
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