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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Demotriton]
    #4952916 - 11/18/05 06:37 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

hey demotrition... thanks for responding to me.. i think im gonna wait till tommorrow night myself i have my baby tonight .. could u let me know your results so i can try tommorrow and i will let you know

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: tony8404]
    #4953230 - 11/18/05 07:49 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Please help me out.

Me and buddy (he's not going to do it) are chillin here watching Phish: IT. :smile:

I have about an 8th, a bit less. I have absolutely no way to measure anything, and I have some "ReaLemon 100% lemon juice" made from concentrate. Says "Water, concentrated lemon juice, sodium benzoate sodium metabisulfire and sodium sulfite (preservatives) and lemon oil". 

First of all, will that stuff work? How much should I take, a shot? Should I warm it?

Second question, how exaclty do a grind up shrooms, no coffee maker here, can I just use a bowl and a spoon or somthing into a paste?

Biggest question... how much to take? I'm pretty sure they're cubes, dried, and there are a few small caps in the bag about the size of a dime? would one of those do?

Quick responces would be great, cause it's est time here and i wanna try it tonight! And about how long could I expect it to last? I'd prolly wanna do about the equal to doing like half an 8th.

Thanks so much

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: DyeGreen]
    #4953438 - 11/18/05 08:35 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

allright dude.. take a baggy and put your shrooms in it and smash em up till they turn to powder .. then take a piece of paper and pour out the shroom dust and make two even piles.. once thats done take two small glasses and pour and even amount of that juice .. then put a pile of dust in each let it sit for 15 minutes and take it like a shot

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: tony8404]
    #4953908 - 11/18/05 10:27 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i got an idea. perhaps a dangerous one.
at bulk barn you can buy asorbic acid in powder form.....
you know, vitamin c?

hmmmm.
perhaps a concentrated bath of the old vitamin c and water, perhaps slightly selenic to aid in body absorbtion.

vitamin C in powdered form is quite acidic and sour.

that ought to do the trick.

to say the least, vitman C is essential for humans, fruit bats and a few others (most animals can synthesize their own) and consuming crazy ammounts of it will actually clear the plaque from your arteries and aid in flushing out all those nasty pollutants.

someone could get some asorbic acid for the experement, and keep it for their health.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4954025 - 11/18/05 10:51 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Do you think this would work with fresh mushrooms?

Maybe mash them into a paste then add the lemon juice?

It seems that the only real necessity is for the mushrooms to have greatly increased surface area, in order for the lemon juice to dissolve it.

Just a thought.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: MrClam]
    #4955185 - 11/19/05 09:39 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

So I didnt end up doing it last night but I plan to soon.

Now that I have some time, how long should I let my powder sit inside my lemon juice? Can I just leave it out or put it in the fridge?

I'll report on it as soon as I do it, possibly tonight.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: DyeGreen]
    #4955262 - 11/19/05 10:01 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

15 minutes should be fine. DO NOT use the fridge, some reports of failure included fridge. Cold temperature possibly slows down molecules and takes away from rapid absorbtion - so room temperature or *slightly* warm should be best. good luck.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: tony8404]
    #4955925 - 11/19/05 01:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Heres an answer to your question tony8404.

I tried the lemon method last night with what ended up being a little less than 1.5 grams. I fasted for 7 hours prior let the powered dried shrooms soak in the juice of real lemons for 20mins but 15 should be good. I filtered out the shroom dust, drank, then ate the shroom powder.

Overall I got about double the effects I normally would get from 1.5 grams, Wish I would have taken more, as my usually dose is 4 grams.

If I were you tony8404 I would take half of what I normally take with the lemon juice.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Demotriton]
    #4956376 - 11/19/05 03:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

:rocket: ascorbic acid
:rocket:

im gonna try it soon, i invite others to do so also.
ascorbic acid is the acid in cranberry juice and is greater in lemon juice.

im wondering what will happen if one were to simply put dried mushroom powder, a teaspoon of ascorbic acid powder and a pinch of salt (for electrolytes) into luke warm water and let it sit for 15 min or so then slammed it.

i remind you ascorbic acid is available at bulk barn.  or any bulk shop.  its pure vitamin C

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4957090 - 11/19/05 06:34 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Ya know I could have sworm I heard that Vit. C will kill a trip!

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: DyeGreen]
    #4957271 - 11/19/05 07:24 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i heard it intensifies


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: MrClam]
    #4957397 - 11/19/05 07:54 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i'l give it a go

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: PyroCin]
    #4958729 - 11/20/05 02:09 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Hehe, I know its a lot to read, but read the whole thread. Wiccan-Seeker, the mod who stickied this experiment of mine, tried with abscorbic acid and had very comparable results to lemon. Not enough research has been done yet to see if one is better than the other. Its the acidity doing the major trick here, not the vitamin c btw.


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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
    #4960574 - 11/20/05 04:04 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Hey UnderhillMaster! Your post gave me some food for thought and I began investigating about this as well.  :thumbup: Apparently incubaby_421  has tried Black Currant Juice, as a MAOI and he confirms the improved strength.

I'm only speculating here now. Maybe lemon/lime or ascorbic acid have got a different property, whatever the strongest of those is, which can ALSO be combined with Black Currant Juice as an added multiplier of the potency.

Anyway, this seems to be a great experiment!  You opened the Pandora's box! :shocked: :thumbup:

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: infinitedot]
    #4960678 - 11/20/05 04:44 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

demotrition. i am about to put just about 2 grams with lemon juice.. just not sure how much juice to use.?

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: tony8404]
    #4960684 - 11/20/05 04:47 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

how much lemon juice do u need to use
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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: tony8404]
    #4960799 - 11/20/05 05:19 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You guys really should try powdering up the shrooms, throw them in a tall glass of grapefruit juice, then chug it down. I've found grapefruit juice to work very well.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: PIPBoy2000]
    #4961884 - 11/20/05 09:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

grapefruit juice has aspects that significantly increse bioavailabilty of opoids also.

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
    #4962156 - 11/20/05 10:37 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

VVV see below

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Re: I may have discovered something... [Re: Underhillmaster]
    #4962160 - 11/20/05 10:37 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan-Seeker, the mod who stickied this experiment of mine, tried with abscorbic acid and had very comparable results to lemon.




I used a fluid ounce (30ml) of 5% vitamin C in water and got a whopping 4-5x potentiation, and I used 25ml of supermarket lemon juice



and got 2-3x potentiation.

But now things will get weird, very weird.
Yeserday I took my (empty stomach) morning coffee and mixed in the brewed coffee a heaping tablespoon of ascorbic acid (3-5gr) to see if potentiation by organic acids was perhaps universal.
Now this cup, taken on an empty stomach without milk) contained approximately 200 mg caffeine an amount I know thoroughly. Could it be potentiated?

And it was. My morning mug was quite stimulating, I got a chest-pressure and had a vomit bucket sitting next to the desk because I was so nauseous from the caffeine overstimulation.

I aborted it with 200mg Lithium carbonate (Lithium knocks stimulants flat, I have a few tabs lying around for cases like this) and within 45 minutes the chest-presure and nausea subsided *exactly as it would if they were overstimulation side effects* in very drastic relief. (pharmacologcal confirmation)

So kids: the acid hypothesis holds true and this is BIGGER than Psilocybin alone. Fruit acids (lemon/cranberry juice and 5% ascorbic acid)

This might mean that another herbal people try to conserve, poppyhead tea, may be potently (perhaps dangerously) enhanced by adding a heaping teaspoon to the tea. Probably one of the next experiments would be ascorbic/lemon taken with MDMA. do not try this at home kids!

So it goes further than Psilocybin and it alters the properties of BREWED coffee, meaning if added AFTER extraction.
I banged out 15 kilobytes of .txt before stimulant sickness overcame me.

I was reminded of how mineral supplements are best absorbed if they are bound to organic acids (for instance Zinc citrate vs the ZnCl2 formed from ZnO in the stomach) and how this somehow bypasses stomach acidity according to some study) which is the reason these are incorporated into mineral supplements.

The most common supplement acids are gluconic acid and citric acid, which are analogous to ascorbic acid and lemon juice respectively.

We are definately on to something big here.


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