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brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy
    #4707973 - 09/25/05 02:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

brain?wash?ing
n.
1.Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs.
2.The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation.
3.Inducing a person to modify his or her beliefs, attitudes, or behavior by conditioning through various forms of pressure or torture.

A self-fulfilling prophecy is a prediction that, in being made, actually causes itself to become true.

I'm thinking that just talking about and acknowledging brain-washing...makes it even more likely for it to happen.
Or it could just be an inevitable process of the human experience.

Are there really such things as "sheep" and "wolves" or is everyone a "sheep"?


Can anyone ever be a completely "free-thinker"?


Edited by MJF (09/25/05 11:19 AM)


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: MJF]
    #4708717 - 09/25/05 08:18 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

every time we latch onto something, we partly slip into a brainwashed state (sleep) we need to be open to all things to avoid being latched or locked or hooked.


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4708795 - 09/25/05 09:28 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

brainwashing is a poor word for it... i prefer to call it indoctrination... all churches do it to some degree, as do military units, police units, schools, prisons, civic organisations, the list is long... indoctrination is accomplished through peer pressure, food and sleep deprivation, and the use of reward systems

you know you are being indoctrinated when the people around you and the people in authority over you require that you believe certain things and behave according to a rigidly prescribed code... they will do what they can to convince to willingly accept their package of beliefs and behaviors, and they will punish you if you cannot be convinced... often they will seek to restrict your movements, either by physically restraining you or by telling you places and situations to avoid...

a person who is indoctrinated at a young and impressionable age will often retain the package of beliefs and behaviors throughout adulthood, and will be a willing participant in the indoctrination of others...


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #4708807 - 09/25/05 09:33 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Pretty much a general discription of the human race.  :frown:


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #4708811 - 09/25/05 09:36 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

instead of saying 'they' you should say 'we' all of those things that you say indoctrinate are actually made up of us and are us.

a lot of times i feel very disconnected from some of those institutions...especially the police and government. those two entities seem like a 'they' to me but that's just because i don't know any of them. in reality the police officer and politician that are prescribing these codes are just as normal human beings that are also in the process, being indoctrinated.


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: MJF]
    #4708812 - 09/25/05 09:37 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: Icelander]
    #4708816 - 09/25/05 09:38 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

true... were all indoctrinated to some degree... a good example is waiting on line... we are all taught to line up in a straight line behind one another and not to cut the line... people who cut the line face immediate punishment from everyone in the line, and are denied service at the front of the line... the reward for waiting in line comes when you reach the front... leaving the line requires an arrangement with the others in line to hold your place for you when you get back... we all follow these rules without even thinking, and participate in the enforcement of them... when we visit other places where there are no lines, we're appalled at the chaos we perceive and will often try to make the mob conform in some fashion...


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: MJF]
    #4708818 - 09/25/05 09:39 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I like my Brain clean!
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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: Gomp]
    #4708825 - 09/25/05 09:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

the more indoctrinated you are, the happier you will be, it would seem...


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: Gomp]
    #4708826 - 09/25/05 09:45 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

what happens when a certain group indoctrinates their code more efficiently than a seemingly smarter group that is unable to indoctrinate as well? it's like the people that are indoctrinated by the 'dumb' code are just too dumb to ever see that there is a 'better' code....or the people with the 'better' code are just too dumb to find a way to bring the dumber masses on board. so in the end....do to ignorance, we have a code that is less helpful and more controlling than what could be...if only we weren't so stupid.


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: MJF]
    #4708828 - 09/25/05 09:47 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

to the indoctrinated, no code is better than the one they own...


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #4708831 - 09/25/05 09:51 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

so are you saying that, objectively, there is no better code? we are all biased towards some code?


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: MJF]
    #4708859 - 09/25/05 10:06 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

we are all biased toward our own code... every other code is inferior...
we all follow the code we think is best...


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: Gomp]
    #4708989 - 09/25/05 10:50 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Note to self: SHUT THE FUCK UP! :smile:



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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: Gomp]
    #4709004 - 09/25/05 11:02 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

so am i decoding your decoding? or did your decoding become encoded for me to decode?

where does the code come from if we are doing nothing but decoding it?


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: MJF]
    #4709014 - 09/25/05 11:07 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

words...


:smile:


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: Gomp]
    #4709029 - 09/25/05 11:13 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

are words attached to non-verbal communication in our heads? i mean how did we think before we had words?

maybe it's not words..but emotion...and the..." Real, unreality's in Unreal, reality's.." (Gomp).


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: MJF]
    #4709062 - 09/25/05 11:30 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

symbols.. :wink:


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: Gomp]
    #4709138 - 09/25/05 11:52 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

symbols didn't become symbols until we attached them to a certain feeling, event, or thing...

isn't that encoding? or are we trying to decode our encoding reality?


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Re: brain-washing and self-fulfilling prophecy [Re: MJF]
    #4709163 - 09/25/05 11:58 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

ok, my bad..


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