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Time master
    #4707220 - 09/24/05 11:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The mythical concept I created my first time on mushrooms. I had tooken enough liberty caps and cyans. That I had taken maximum dose.

I realized I would forget the secrets of time. Trying too write them down. That I would forget. That I was learning the secret symbols of life but in that I would ultimately forget. The first Buddha appeared in the forest with rain under the Bodhisattva, he played the role of harmony maker. Zen was the sound of harmony. So I wrote Zen down.
I seen this woodlouse run past the floor. The woodlouse represented the motion of time and harmony.

I was passing through the gates of time. I learned a word shizang. This word held harmony and magic. I wrote down more magic symbols, such as Tn, Ze, Se. Basically I am God.

I ran down into the forest. It was raining and cold. I kept posing my body in dualities.
I kept chanting 5 words of magic. I can only remember such words as Ninout, Shizang. The others are forgotten.
I learned of the Sands of time. The Sands of time is where the Time master would live. That I was an ancient figure. The Sands of time are lucid but stuck.

I found the mushroom and its shape hold the secrets of time and represent full structure harmony. That everything would become lost in the Sands of time.
That I just lived time too see harmony.


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Re: Time master [Re: Luke]
    #4707300 - 09/24/05 11:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like you learned a hella of a lot during that trip. Keep up the good posts.


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Re: Time master [Re: Luke]
    #4708729 - 09/25/05 08:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

nice report buddy!

through body and mushroom and nature and other beautiful but limited things the unlimited still can get through if you keep orienting towards it.

intuitively, the meaningless chants, which encapsualted the particularities of your experiences at that time, acted as rudders orienting your consciousness to cruise in step with something greater.


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Re: Time master [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4711347 - 09/25/05 09:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

try as you might to retain those symbols and sounds, and even though you may remember the symbol, you will always forget its meaning. Can you still capture the emotion and thought you experianced that day each time you say "shizang"? or does it seem to slip further and further away until the symbol only represents lost knowledge and not the knowledge itself...

to find that knowledge you must transcend symbols, for they shift like the sands of time, and the true meaning is the wind that blows them, this way and that, directing them into new meaning that is so different from the shape of the wind itself.

Ideas only complicate things, words even worse so, but thought is pure and empty and FULL...


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4712836 - 09/26/05 04:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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dr0mni said:
try as you might to retain those symbols and sounds, and even though you may remember the symbol, you will always forget its meaning. Can you still capture the emotion and thought you experianced that day each time you say "shizang"? or does it seem to slip further and further away until the symbol only represents lost knowledge and not the knowledge itself...

to find that knowledge you must transcend symbols, for they shift like the sands of time, and the true meaning is the wind that blows them, this way and that, directing them into new meaning that is so different from the shape of the wind itself.

Ideas only complicate things, words even worse so, but thought is pure and empty and FULL...




Lost knowledge is the state of total liberation.


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4712838 - 09/26/05 04:33 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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dr0mni said:
try as you might to retain those symbols and sounds, and even though you may remember the symbol, you will always forget its meaning. Can you still capture the emotion and thought you experianced that day each time you say "shizang"? or does it seem to slip further and further away until the symbol only represents lost knowledge and not the knowledge itself...

to find that knowledge you must transcend symbols, for they shift like the sands of time, and the true meaning is the wind that blows them, this way and that, directing them into new meaning that is so different from the shape of the wind itself.

Ideas only complicate things, words even worse so, but thought is pure and empty and FULL...




Its the fact we can not escape time. We have no freedom of will. We are in a dream.


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Re: Time master [Re: Luke]
    #4712844 - 09/26/05 04:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

It is true that the rituals/symbols are meangingless. The only symbol is the psychoactive itself. It creates meaninglessness.

I forgot the symbol of cannabis and magic mushrooms had together. They together represent the Earth which the Time master walks on. I keep shifting on foot together. Balancing eternity on my foot step.

New magic symbols come.
The new magic ive been in with is the slug. Which is datura.

The weed and mushroom repesent the fast element which is shizang. That is the woodlouse.


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Re: Time master [Re: Luke]
    #4713537 - 09/26/05 12:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

"Lost knowledge is the state of total liberation. Its the fact we can not escape time. We have no freedom of will. We are in a dream."

Perhaps that knowledge was never meant to be understood in it's true, raw form.

"It is true that the rituals/symbols are meangingless. The only symbol is the psychoactive itself. It creates meaninglessness.
I forgot the symbol of cannabis and magic mushrooms had together. They together represent the Earth which the Time master walks on. I keep shifting on foot together. Balancing eternity on my foot step.
New magic symbols come.
The new magic ive been in with is the slug. Which is datura.
The weed and mushroom repesent the fast element which is shizang. That is the woodlouse."

I'm telling you, drugs are only a crutch. You will never be able to truly trancend material ignorance if you rely on material things in order to trancend. Mind over matter is the secret. Change your mind with your will, not drugs... the buddha nature is already inside of you. Naked, in the forest alone, you have all you need to reach enlightenment!


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4713818 - 09/26/05 01:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm telling you, drugs are only a crutch. You will never be able to truly trancend material ignorance if you rely on material things in order to trancend. Mind over matter is the secret. Change your mind with your will, not drugs...




:eek: :thumbup:

Sounds crazy, but it just might work!


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4716391 - 09/26/05 09:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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dr0mni said:
"Lost knowledge is the state of total liberation. Its the fact we can not escape time. We have no freedom of will. We are in a dream."

Perhaps that knowledge was never meant to be understood in it's true, raw form.

"It is true that the rituals/symbols are meangingless. The only symbol is the psychoactive itself. It creates meaninglessness.
I forgot the symbol of cannabis and magic mushrooms had together. They together represent the Earth which the Time master walks on. I keep shifting on foot together. Balancing eternity on my foot step.
New magic symbols come.
The new magic ive been in with is the slug. Which is datura.
The weed and mushroom repesent the fast element which is shizang. That is the woodlouse."

I'm telling you, drugs are only a crutch. You will never be able to truly trancend material ignorance if you rely on material things in order to trancend. Mind over matter is the secret. Change your mind with your will, not drugs... the buddha nature is already inside of you. Naked, in the forest alone, you have all you need to reach enlightenment!




Without the drugs you would not know of it. Its titled the "drug issue" in Maya. Its a debatable issue.

Such things as reality tunnels or reality frames would be unknown without these tools that expand our perception to new doors of perception.

Being anti-drug or saying drugs cause ignorance is just more of a hinderance in the drug issue. The drug issue is a personal choice for every sentient being.

Because drugs can and will open the doors of perception.
You will find the nature of consciousness in everything and this is what Zen is all about.


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4716455 - 09/26/05 09:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm telling you, drugs are only a crutch. You will never be able to truly trancend material ignorance if you rely on material things in order to trancend. Mind over matter is the secret. Change your mind with your will, not drugs... the buddha nature is already inside of you. Naked, in the forest alone, you have all you need to reach enlightenment!




Ha. Prove that ^^^ statement! Drugs are not a crutch, they are a tool. Have you trancended material ignorance? If so please supply some evidence. While I believe that the secret is inside you, it is also manifested everywhere. One thing, with nothing to transend. But I'll tell you right now I don't know with any certainty WTF I'm talking about. It do seem that lots of gurus and followers are saying enlightenment and it don't seem that way. On the other hand one of the only people I might be tempted to give that title to is on the psychedelic shamanic path. :heart: So it's a great speach but I have heard it before.


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4716503 - 09/26/05 09:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I back Icelander on this one. Certain drug experiences can provide insight giving one a serious head start down the path. Of course, the intent must be there. A psychedelic experience is just as valid a spiritual experience as a three day vision quest with fasting and meditation. I would however suggest that persons with emotional difficulties avoid drugs and stick with the more labor intensive methods of spiritual experience like meditation.


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Re: Time master [Re: Luke]
    #4716514 - 09/26/05 09:32 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't deny the inspirational power of the psychedelic experiance. Trust me, I've learned an incredible amount from shrooms, and I'm not saying that no one should ever use drugs. But you must realize that DMT is produced naturally in our brains. It's already inside of us! There is no need, beyond initial inspiration, for us to look to outside sources of psychedelia. We can discover those things you mentioned without ever putting a foreign substance in our bodies.

I've experianced things while meditating sober that border on the kind of bizarreness I've experianced on shrooms. Border between my body and surrounding space disappearing and/or morphing. Energy being focused into my crown chakra to the point of such intensity that I had to jump up and stop meditating it was so powerful! When I am done meditating my vision is slightly distorted for a short while afterwards. The only difference is that without drugs I had to WORK to acheive those states. It wasn't handed to me in a fungal biomass. I didn't smoke it out of a pipe. I created it with pure thought and nothing else! When I used shrooms frequently I never had to put any effort into my search for spirit. All I had to do was endure the disgusting taste of the fungus and wait a few hours. But now I feel that when I acheive those states that I've actually EARNED it.

Drug use IS a personal choice, and I still plan on using psychedelics for spiritual purposes, but sparingly. Shrooms, peyote, Ayahuasca, are all very powerful and useful tools when used properly, but all they really do is show us something that we've always had inside us, that's always been right in front of our faces. But they don't let us grasp it after we come down.

Drugs can be used properly in the search for God, but they are not an expressway to enlightenment like they seem at first to be. And to treat them as such only keeps us from moving forward on our path.

Just as a test, why don't you try being sober for a while? God will still be there when you come down. And the shrooms will still be growing in the fields (and in the closets of shroomerites, lol!) if you happen to change your mind.


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Re: Time master [Re: Icelander]
    #4716535 - 09/26/05 09:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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While I believe that the secret is inside you, it is also manifested everywhere. One thing, with nothing to transend




transcendence, the ultimate illusion :thumbup:


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4716555 - 09/26/05 09:41 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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But now I feel that when I acheive those states that I've actually EARNED it.




I don't mean to be difficult :wink:, because I don't totally disagree with you, but what makes you think your above statement is anything more than an elaborate ego trip?

The actual trip on psychedelics doesn't feel like enlightenment to me anymore. In fact it feels like the opposite often. The changes come from the surrendering control. Egoic cultural programming. Then down the line, days and weeks and months little changes that I have to work on without the psychedelics. But maybe that's just one experience among many on the psychedelic path.


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4716579 - 09/26/05 09:46 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

oh, and I never claim to be enlighted, or to have trancended anything. I rarely trust anyone who does.

My evidence is in personal experiance. I can tell you all about it, but would you believe me if I did?


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4716606 - 09/26/05 09:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, if you can use psychedelics we effort then you will be a lot closer, but they certainly aren't "the way"

I believe that the eight fold path is one of the best to follow:
Perfect View
perfect thought
perfect speech
perfect action
perfect work
perfect concentration
perfect mindfulness
and perfect effort.

When I smoke weed, I can't be mindful. I can't concentrate as perfectly as I could. When I eat psychedelics, I don't need effort.

and even though I may feel the wisdom and universal love, without the mindfulness, concentration, and effort, I slowly veer off of the eight-fold path.

I've surrendered to shrooms. I've lost my mind. I've flowed with the moment. And now I don't need to anymore. I've learned what I needed and am moving on. I've taken those lessons, learned how to integrate them into my life, and I don't need a constant trippy reminder of how to be a good person. I already know...


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4716613 - 09/26/05 09:55 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

why diddle around in algebra when you could be moving on to calculus?


Edited by dr0mni (09/26/05 09:55 PM)


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4716621 - 09/26/05 09:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

A spiritual experienced cannot be earned. To say one "earned" it implies ownership. A spiritual experience is a gift...not a form of currency or reward. There are no qualifications for having one. They are granted to anyone with no restriction. To think that it is only the elite, who meditate or read scriptures, that can have them is naive.


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Re: Time master [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4717386 - 09/27/05 12:07 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

you misunderstand me, Hue.

A farmer may plant his crops in fertile ground. If he works hard to care for his crops he will reap a bigger harvest than one who simply lets his crops grow without maintainence. The fertility of the ground is a gift, but the fruits of the labor are EARNED. The family of the mindful farmer is the one that eats well each night and lives in health.

Psychedelics are a gift, being conscious is a gift, but it is a lot easier to squander these gifts than it is to nurture them. A spiritual experiance means nothing if you don't cultivate it and let it grow. How many of us have felt that first burst of psychedelic inspiration only to fall back into complacency and our old habits?

"To think that it is only the elite, who meditate or read scriptures, that can have them is naive."

To think that it is the undirected, who leaves everything to chance and "goes with the flow", that can have anything except fleeting moments of clarity is also naive.

Psychedelics are like spiritual training wheels. They are useful, and kick start many down their own proper path. When used correctly they have many rewards. But to think that you can't ride without them is ridiculous.

Why do you cling to them so much? Why are you guys getting so defensive?

Psychedelics offer a kind of security, i know. If you need to have some insight you can always eat some... but if you give them up you might actually have to *gasp* ...try!


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4717695 - 09/27/05 12:58 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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don't need a constant trippy reminder of how to be a good person. I already know...




I didn't know that psychedelics reminded you of how to be a good person. I didn't know that was the goal of using them. It's not for me.


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4717705 - 09/27/05 01:00 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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believe that the eight fold path is one of the best to follow:
Perfect View
perfect thought
perfect speech
perfect action
perfect work
perfect concentration
perfect mindfulness
and perfect effort.




Too difficult to be "perfect" or even to strive after it. But good luck with all that. :wink:


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Re: Time master [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4718451 - 09/27/05 03:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
I back Icelander on this one. Certain drug experiences can provide insight giving one a serious head start down the path. Of course, the intent must be there. A psychedelic experience is just as valid a spiritual experience as a three day vision quest with fasting and meditation. I would however suggest that persons with emotional difficulties avoid drugs and stick with the more labor intensive methods of spiritual experience like meditation.




This is true, ignorance wants the drugs slienced. Just as gnosis by the western mind.


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4718467 - 09/27/05 03:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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dr0mni said:
yeah, if you can use psychedelics we effort then you will be a lot closer, but they certainly aren't "the way"

I believe that the eight fold path is one of the best to follow:
Perfect View
perfect thought
perfect speech
perfect action
perfect work
perfect concentration
perfect mindfulness
and perfect effort.

When I smoke weed, I can't be mindful. I can't concentrate as perfectly as I could. When I eat psychedelics, I don't need effort.

and even though I may feel the wisdom and universal love, without the mindfulness, concentration, and effort, I slowly veer off of the eight-fold path.

I've surrendered to shrooms. I've lost my mind. I've flowed with the moment. And now I don't need to anymore. I've learned what I needed and am moving on. I've taken those lessons, learned how to integrate them into my life, and I don't need a constant trippy reminder of how to be a good person. I already know...




You know mindfulness is Maya and so is effort. Nothing can be perfect.
The natural is truth.

Weed is a very hard tool too crack. Meaning learning how too transcend with it. Thats why it takes years of smoking.


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Re: Time master [Re: Luke]
    #4718815 - 09/27/05 09:20 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I've always said (maybe not on this forum, but in real life) that the psychedelic spirituality was just as valid as any "legitimate" religion. A spiritual experiance is a spiritual experiance no matter what the context. I'll say it again, I don't deny the power.

"Perfect" is only a translation of some ancient word. Sometimes the word "Right" is used instead. Try not to confuse it with western ideas of right/wrong, or correct/incorrect. The meaning is a little tricky to grasp...

"The natural is truth"

Yes, so what state of mind is natural to our existance? When we get high or trip, we always come down. We can take as many or as much of whatever drug we want but no matter what, we always come back to sobriety when the drugs run out. Sobriety is natural, and so is occasional drug use. But it is also natural for the drug high to end, and for us to move on. Shrooms grow only a for a few months out of the year for a reason.

Yes, drugs are tools. Just like antibiotics. When you have an infection that your body can't fight off naturally, you take an antibiotic for as long as is neccessary. If you stop taking them too early, the infection may come back. If you keep taking them after the infection is over, uneccessarily, then it prevents your body from fighting infections that it could easily take care of itself. After too much of this, your immune system is weakened because it isn't getting the "exercise" that it needs, and you must rely on antibiotics in order to fight infections which your body should be able to deal with on its own. Taking too many antibiotics also causes "super bugs" or antibiotic-resistant bacteria to develop. And almost nothing can stop those fuckers.

Moral of the story? Only take the medicine when it is needed, and give it up when it becomes uneccessary.

oh, and I spent 3-4 years smoking weed almost daily. All it did was make me complacent. Weed is like a philips-head screwdriver in a clown costume. It is a tool, and it's fun as hell, but its uses are extremely limited. More of a toy than a tool.


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psychedelics: Spiritual Tool, or Spiritual Crutch? [Re: dr0mni]
    #4718820 - 09/27/05 09:23 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

oh, and I know we've all heard this story before, but I'll post it back up so we can all read it ONE MORE TIME! lol...

This was the beginning of Alpert's devotion to Maharaj-ji and the point of departure
for his transformation into Ram Dass. It provoked a catharsis in which Alpert's
rational, thinking mind (his primary defensive tool) was temporarily paralyzed,
flooding him with the kinds of buried feelings that signal a return of going on
being. But it was not the end of Maharaj-ji's teachings. Still preoccupied with his
experiences with LSD, Ram Dass resolved one evening to speak to his guru about this
drug. The next morning Maharaj-ji called for him and immediately demanded the
"medicine." At first unsure of what Maharaj-ji might mean (he was unused to thinking
of the drug as medicine, even though he was carrying it in pill form), Ram Dass soon
realized what was being asked of him and he ran to his car to fetch the drug.
Maharaj-ji held out his hand, demanded 3 of the pills, popped them in his mouth, and
continued on with his day. Nothing seemed to happen to him.

Ram Dass was amazed. Nothing had happened. For Ram Dass at the time, this was the
ultimate demonstration of some kind of spiritual attainment. He knew firsthand how
powerful the drug could be, and yet here was someone who was totally untouched by
it, someone more powerful than LSD. Ram Dass's attachment to the drug was loosened.
He came back to America and began to tell his story, but still, somewhere in the
back of his mind, he harbored doubts about what he had seen. "Perhaps he hadn't
really swallowed them," he thought to himself. "Maybe he just threw them over his
shoulder." On his next trip to India, Maharaj-ji called to him again, asking, as if
he couldn't quite remember, "Say did you give me any medicine last time you were in
India? Did I take it?"

Ram Dass answered some what equivocal, "Well I think so."
"Oh did it have any effect on me?"
"No, I don't think so."
"Oh go away," Maharaj-ji said. The next morning he called to him again, "You got any
more of that medicine?" he asked.
"Bring it."

Ram Dass gave him the equivalent of five pills this time. Very slowly, Maharaj-ji
took each pill and placed it into his mouth, making sure that he could be seen
swallowing each one. Then he began to act agitated. He called for water, questioning
Ram Dass about how long the drug would take to act, called for a wristwatch, and
then, asked, "Will it make me crazy?"

"Probably," said Ram Dass, and Maharaj-ji at that point went down underneath his
blanket and came up making all kinds of strange faces. But the joke was on Ram Dass.
Maharaj-ji was just playing with him. At the end of the hour he asked him, "You got
anything stronger?" Again, nothing out of the ordinary happened. Ram Dass stayed
with Maharaj-ji all day and nothing happened. At one point Maharaj-ji told him that
drugs like this were known in India long ago but that knowledge about them was now
lost. "It's useful, it's useful, not the true Samadhi, but it's useful," he said,
using a Sanskrit work for the meditative attainment to hake his point. Later he told
the young westerners who were starting to gather around him in India, "If you're in
a cool place and you're quiet and you're feeling much peace and your mind is turned
toward God, it's useful." You have a visit with a holy man in that place, he said.
But, he added, you can't stay there, it doesn't last. That's why it?s better to
become the saint rather than just visit him. Ram Dass was amazed at this display of
psychic power. He knew from firsthand experience how the ego could be decimated by
LSD. But here was a man who was unfazed by it. Maharaj-ji's ego was so flexible, so
transparent, that the drug did not seem to touch him.

Taken from: "Going on Being: buddhism and the way of change" By Mark Epstein, M.D.


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Re: Time master [Re: dr0mni]
    #4718949 - 09/27/05 10:17 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Only take the medicine when it is needed, and give it up when it becomes uneccessary.




Now this to me is great advice and puts it all in perspective. :thumbup:


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    #4718961 - 09/27/05 10:24 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

thank god! Cuz that's all I was trying to say...


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    #4718974 - 09/27/05 10:32 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Then why didn't ya just say that? :grin:

I've heard versions of that Ram Dass story and there all slightly different. (kind of like an urban legend. :wink:)  I once had to deal with the police on a four way hit of acid and came down stright as you please for about an hour. Then went back up when the problem was over, so this is something anyone can do with acid. I want to see him do it on salvia. :grin:

My experiences with Ram Dass haven't been all that great. The time I saw him in person he was stoned on pot and not making sense so he just told all his old stories from his books. I really wanted my money back even though the tickets were free. :laugh:


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    #4719105 - 09/27/05 11:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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why diddle around in algebra when you could be moving on to calculus?




If everything is really connected, can you not learn the basis behind calculus from algebra?? :grin: Are they not so entwined that one leads into the other? Are we not all connected?

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but they certainly aren't "the way"




The psychedelics definitely showed you the way. Everyone's path is different. Who are you to say someone's own personal evolution does not involve countless destructions of the ego. We are all different.
We are all connected. Try praising something instead of putting it down! :grin:


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    #4719996 - 09/27/05 03:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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mecreateme said:
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why diddle around in algebra when you could be moving on to calculus?




If everything is really connected, can you not learn the basis behind calculus from algebra?? :grin: Are they not so entwined that one leads into the other? Are we not all connected?

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but they certainly aren't "the way"




The psychedelics definitely showed you the way. Everyone's path is different. Who are you to say someone's own personal evolution does not involve countless destructions of the ego. We are all different.
We are all connected. Try praising something instead of putting it down! :grin:




Yes, you HAVE to move through algebra to get to calculus at all, but if you've already learned all that you can of algebra, there is no sense dwelling on it. Move on!

I'm no one to tell anyone anything. I only speak from experiance. And I know that countless psychedelic ego-destructions eventually just give birth to a new psychedelic ego, which is even worse than the original because it thinks it's enlightened! LOL!

To see the way is one thing, to walk it is another. I've seen, and seen it, and seen it, and goddamnit I think it's time for me to start walking! I'm done climbing trees, and I'm ready to get out of the forest.


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    #4720607 - 09/27/05 05:17 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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and I'm ready to get out of the forest.




I suggest heading for New York. Or Disneyworld.


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    #4721336 - 09/27/05 07:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:rolleyes:


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