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Re: Deism [Re: Silversoul]
    #4707303 - 09/24/05 09:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

OK. What are the laws of physics inherited from? Physical laws act on matter, where did this matter come from?


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Re: Deism [Re: mantis]
    #4707310 - 09/24/05 09:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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OK. What are the laws of physics inherited from? Physical laws act on matter, where did this matter come from?



While it remains untestable with current technology, string theory adequately explains how vibrating fields of energy known as strings create matter as we know it, as well as the four known forces of the universe: gravity, electromagnetic energy, and strong and weak atomic energy.


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Re: Deism [Re: mantis]
    #4707318 - 09/24/05 09:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You should have prefaced your thread with a plea to avoid discussion.  Might have resulted in some bans :laugh:


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Re: Deism [Re: Silversoul]
    #4707380 - 09/24/05 09:54 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

That would take us a few steps forward, but it's far from a "perfect explanation". These theories are in progress and they haven't been thoroughly tested nor proven.


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Re: Deism [Re: mantis]
    #4707404 - 09/24/05 10:02 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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That would take us a few steps forward, but it's far from a "perfect explanation". These theories are in progress and they haven't been thoroughly tested nor proven.



True, and neither can God. However, superstring theory, or M-theory, gives a much more complete, elegant, and scientifically plausible explanation than some divine being(whose own existence cannot be explained by the theory that appeals to it as an explanation for other phenomena).


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Re: Deism [Re: WeAreAllOne]
    #4707464 - 09/24/05 10:18 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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WeAreAllOne said:
Relax, people.

We're here. 

Nothing more.

Nothing less.

Who cares how we got here?

:mushroom2:




stop questioning it and enjoy the ride :thumbup:


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Re: Deism [Re: mantis]
    #4707491 - 09/24/05 10:24 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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As an atheist, you are very good at picking apart other people's arguments. Do you have any suggestions of your own? How do you think the modern world came to be?




The modern world came to be because of dust rotating around the proto-sun condensing into planets. We came to be because of evolution.

The universe came to be because of the Big Bang. The Big Bang, though, is intriguing, as its origins are quite shaky. In M-Theory, the collision of 11-dimensional membranes is the espoused reason, which may help the problem of existence; the problem of existence is entwined on both ends by the problem of time. But if time in the universe began only at the Big Bang, and outside of the universe time has no meaning because of the extra dimensions, we may be able use theoretical knowledge to better understand existence.

Of course, science is in its infancy, and as time goes on we'll hopefully understand the situation better. But to my knowledge, no God or higher powers are required, hence I am not a Deist. It goes against any intuition and logic I hold, due to the fact that it seems to be a left-over fragment of praying to the rain gods for rain, without having any evidence that rain is anything but scientific.

"The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference."
?Richard Dawkins


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Re: Deism [Re: mantis]
    #4707498 - 09/24/05 10:26 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I suscribe to deism.

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