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Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for...
    #4700194 - 09/23/05 01:06 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Diploid has stated that almost all the UFO events he has heard of are explainable, well me and the rest of the world are still waiting for a good explaination for any of this:

Evidence of unexplainable close encounters:

Case 1:
The Pascagoula incident involved two men, nineteen-year-old Calvin Parker and forty-two-year-old Charles Hickson, both of Gautier, Mississippi, who were fishing in the Pascagoula River when they heard a buzzing noise behind them. Both turned and were terrified to see a ten-foot-wide, eight-foot-high, glowing egg-shaped object with blue lights at its front hovering just above the ground about forty feet from the riverbank. As the, men frozen with fright, watched, adoor appeared in the object, and three strange Beings floated just above the river towards them.

The Beings had legs but did not use them. They were about five feet tall, had bullet-shaped heads without necks, slits for mouths; and where their noses or ears would be, they had thin, conical objects sticking out, like carrots from a snowman's head. They had no eyes, gray, wrinkled skin, round feet, and clawlike hands. Two of the beings seized Hickson; when the third grabbed Parker, the teenager fainted with fright. Hickson claimed that when the Beings placed their hands under his arms, his body became numb, and that then they floated him into a brightly lit room in the UFO's interior, where he was subjected to a medical examination with an eyelike device which, like Hickson himself, was floating in midair. At the end of the examination, the Beings simply left Hickson floating, paralyzed but for his eyes, and went to examine Parker, who, Hickson believed was in another room. Twenty minutes after Hickson had first observed the UFO, he was floated back outside and released. He found Parker weeping and praying on the ground near him. Moments later, the object rose straight up and shot out of sight.

Expecting only ridicule if they were to tell anyone what had happened, Hickson and Parker initially decided to keep quiet; but then, because they felt the government might or ought, to know about it, they telephoned Kessler Air Force Base in Biloxi. A sergeant there told them to contact the sheriff. But uncertain about the reception their bizarre story might get from the local law, they drove to the local newspaper office to speak with a reporter. When they found the office closed, Hickson and Parker felt they had no alternative but to talk to the sheriff.

The sheriff, after listening to their story, put Hickson and Parker in a room wired for sound in the belief that if the two men were left alone, they would reveal their hoax; of course, they did not. The local press reported their tale; the wire services picked it up; and within several days the Pascagoula close encounter was major news all over the country. The Aerial Phenomena Research Organisation (APRO), founded in 1952, sent University of California engineering professor James Harder to Mississippi to investigate; J. Allen Hynek, representing the Air Force, also arrived. Together they interviewed the witnesses. Harder hypnotized Hickson but had to terminate the session when Hickson became too frightened to continue.

Hickson and Parker both subsequently passed lie detector tests. Hynek and Harder believed the two men's story. And Hynek was later quoted as saying, 'There was definately something here that was not terrestrial.'

Case 2:
'A Doubly Witnessed Abduction,' is the account of a women Budd Hopkins calls Linda Cortile, who was abducted from her New York City apartement at 3:15am in late November 1989. 'Accompanied by three aliens,' Hopkins reports, 'Linda was floated out of a window twelve stories above the ground, then up into a hovering UFO. The event was witnessed by two security agents and the senior political figure they were guarding, as well as by a woman driving across the Brooklyn Bridge. 'The importance of this case is virtually immeasurable,' Hopkins points out, 'as it powerfully supports both the objective reality of UFO abductions and the accuracy of regressive hypnosis as employed with this abductee.'

According to Hopkins, the two security men were driving the political official along South Street near the Brooklyn Bridge beneath the FDR Drive in Manhattan when their cars electrical system inexplicably cut out and they coasted to a stop. They could detect a reddish-orange glow through their cars windshield. At first, the security agent Hopkin calls Dan thought the glow was the rising sun; but almost immediately he was not facing East but due West. Peering up through the windshield, Dan and his partner 'Richard', saw a fifty-foot-wide, oval-shaped object with rotating colored lights hovering above a fifteen-story apartment building at the street corner about five hundred feet ahead.

Richard pulled a pair of binoculars out of the cars glove compartment, and, as he watched, the craft - now making a barely audible low humming sound - descended until it was level with the top of the apat-ment building. All sound then stopped. A bright beam of blue-white light shot out from the bottom of the craft, and then, to the horror of the three men in the car, they saw a woman in a white nightgown float out of a window on the apartment buildings twelfth floor, accompanied by three small creatures with big heads... (It goes on)

'Please respect our credibility at work,' Richard wrote Hopkins. 'We cannot let our identities be made public.' He expressed his shock at what he had seen, adding, 'This whole situation flies in the face of everthing I've ever believed or knew about.' He wrote of the stages of anger, fear, and embarrassment he had passed through. 'The manner they took her drove us nuts! What could we do to help her? Who was she? Was she one of them?'

Hopkins thought Richards question 'Was she one of them?' a particularly interesting reaction. 'Its a measure of how much they pushed the whole thing away,' he later told me, 'to assume - at least on one level - that maybe she's one of them. Its almost as if they're saying, "I don't want to think she's a human being and we should have done something." Its easier to think of her as part of the whole business.'

Case 3:
'UFO's in history'

Swiss scholar Samuel Coccius witnesses 'numerous large black discs in the sky' in Nuremberg 1561. He states 'Suddenly, they started racing towards the sun with great speed, with some turned towards each other as though in combat. Some were seen to turn a fiery red and then vanish.'

April 19, 1897, in Leroy, Kansas. That night Alexander Hamilton, a former congressman turned farmer, was awakened by sounds of disturbance among his cattle. He quickly dressed, went outside, and 'to my utter astonishment,' he subsequently reported, he observed 'an airship descending over my cow lot.' Hamilton rushed back inside to awake his son and his hired man. The men picked up axes and raced outside. Hamilton estimated that the 'airship' was approximately three hundred feet long. As they watched, the craft descended until it was no more than thirty feet off the ground. 'It was brightly lit within,' Hamilton noted, he added thsat the undercarriage 'was occupied by six of the strangest beings I ever saw.'

During the battle between the Saxons and the Franks at Sigisburg in AD, 776 fiery aerial phenomena appeared overhead in the shape of military shields.

In AD 1118 Emporer Constantine observed a fiery cross in the sky.

I can continue these cases forever but believe the major points should now be apparent.

Other UFO/Alien cases I suggest you research, should you take interest:
Travis Walton Incident
Barney and Betty Hill
Foo Fighters



If you attempt to debunk the entire of this huge phenomena as mass hallucination, deception etc then I will asume you prefer to remain ignorance due to fear of the unknown. Oh and personally I do not think all crop circles are Alien made, they are man made, and I do not believe every account of alien abduction ever recorded either.

Cases were quoted precisely from the book:
Close encounters of the fourth kind
by
C.D.B. Bryan

This book is a good read and gives an unbiased study of all posabilities involved with this phenomena.

Swami said - Why don't astronomers see UFO's, I say why doesn't Swami see that astronomers do and have seen UFO's

http://www.xdream.freeserve.co.uk/UFOBase/Astronomers.htm

Debunking the 'All UFO pictures are grainy' rubbish
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/photohome.asp

Evidence of the suppression of UFO information by our government:
British Military 'Suppressed UFO Information'

By Pete Harrison

LONDON (Reuters) - The British government tried to cover up one of the country's most famous sightings of an unidentified flying object, a parliamentary watchdog ruled Tuesday.

The "Rendlesham Files," which were finally published on the Internet Sunday, contain eyewitness accounts by U.S. Air Force officers at a military base close to Rendlesham Forest, near Ipswich in eastern England, who saw a brilliantly lit object land in the forest in December 1980.

The incident is widely regarded as one of the most significant-ever UFO sightings -- the British equivalent of the 1947 incident in which a spacecraft supposedly crashed at Roswell, New Mexico, with aliens aboard.

Several people had complained to the British parliamentary ombudsman, Ann Abraham, that the Ministry of Defense had refused to divulge full details of the Rendlesham witness accounts.

Abraham ruled the ministry had "withheld three documents relating to reported sightings of unexplained aerial phenomena in 1980 -- the Rendlesham Forest UFO incident."

A ministry spokeswoman however said the files had not been deliberately withheld and had always been available to anyone who asked.

In late December 1980, U.S. officers investigating what they thought must be a crashed plane in the forest saw a triangular "strange glowing object" that sent farm animals into a frenzy.

"The object was described as being metallic in appearance and triangular in shape, approximately two to three meters across the base and approximately two meters high," reads a report in the file by Deputy Base Commander Lieutenant Colonel Charles Halt.

"It illuminated the entire forest with a white light," he added. "The object itself had a pulsing red light on top and a bank of blue lights underneath. The object was hovering, or on legs."

Skeptics say the witnesses were merely seeing the beam from a lighthouse on the nearby coast.

But the report adds that the next day three depressions seven feet in diameter were found in the grass and that readings of beta and gamma radiation were ten times higher than normal. Disturbances were also noted on airforce radar at the time.

Later in the night, a second UFO was seen, described as a red sun-like light. "At one point it appeared to throw off glowing particles and then broke into five separate white objects," said the file.

A Ministry of Defense (MoD) memo in the file notes that: "No evidence was found of any threat to the defense of the United Kingdom. In the absence of any hard evidence, the MoD remains open minded."

Until last week, only around 20 members of the public had seen the file. The government said it would also be publishing other files on reported UFO sightings on www.mod.uk.

The Rendlesham File contains an MoD memo suggesting British requests for audio tapes made by the American officers at the time were brushed aside by the U.S. Later reports by UFO enthusiasts claimed that photographs and tapes were taken away by senior U.S. officers.

More...

You think they might be hiding something from us?

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/10/22/ufo.records/


By Richard Stenger
CNN
Tuesday, October 22, 2002 Posted: 3:09 PM EDT (1909 GMT)

(CNN) -- One winter night in 1965, eyewitnesses saw a fireball streak over North America, bank, turn and appear to crash in western Pennsylvania. Then swarms of military personnel combed the area and a tarp-covered flatbed truck rumbled out of the woods.

Now a former White House chief of staff and an international investigative journalist want to know what the Pentagon knows, calling on it to release classified files about that and other incidents involving unidentified flying objects, or UFOs.

"It is time for the government to declassify records that are more than 25 years old and to provide scientists with data that will assist in determining the real nature of this phenomenon," ex-Clinton aide John Podesta said Tuesday.

A Pentagon spokesperson could not be reached for comment regarding the requests for information.

Despite earning little credence, cases of strange aerial phenomena that defy explanation abound -- whether witnessed by thousands of Arizona residents, commercial airline pilots or a U.S. president.

The new initiative is not setting out to prove the existence of aliens. Rather the group wants to legitimize the scientific investigation of unexplained aerial phenomena.

Podesta was one of numerous political and media heavyweights on hand in Washington, D.C., to announce a new group to gain access to secret government records about UFOs.

Specifically, the Coalition for Freedom of Information (CFI) is pressing the Air Force for documents involving Project Moon Dust and Operation Blue Fly, clandestine operations reported to have existed decades ago to investigate UFOs and retrieve objects of unknown origins.

Mysterious case?
One of the most mysterious cases, the Kecksburg, Pennsylvania incident of December 5, 1965, is the first cited in the group's request for records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA).

Despite an official government story that the object was a meteorite, some eyewitnesses claimed that a military truck took an acorn-shaped object the size of a small car from the rural Pennsylvania crash site to an Air Force base in Ohio.

"We can't come up with a reason why this information is being withheld. The government won't even acknowledge that the incident took place but we know that it did," said Leslie Kean, a California-based freelance reporter who drafted the FOIA request.

In the 1940s, 1950s and 1960s, the government did take the UFO search seriously and top generals considered the pros and cons of informing the U.S. public, Kean said, citing top secret memos.

In 1969, however, the Air Force terminated Project Blue Book, concluding that no reported UFOs were threats to national security.

Paradoxically, Kean notes, the military continues to deny some requests for UFO information by citing national security concerns.

Trying to stamp out ridicule
Backed by the Sci-Fi channel, the CFI hopes to reduce the scientific ridicule factor in this country when the topic is UFOs.

"There's definitely evidence of strange phenomenon in the world. These are well documented," said Kean, who has written for The Nation, the Boston Globe and the International Herald Tribune.

"Most people don't think that there is evidence because they haven't look for it. There's such a little green men mindset in this culture. It's hard to work your way through that."




I know many of you will not believe. If this is the case then I CHALLENGE YOU.  Instead of picking holes in the technicalities of my wording  get off your PC tonight and stand outside in a place where you arnt hampered by street lamps and watch the sky from 11.30 PM until 3.00am This is the peak time for activity and there are more of them than ever at the moment. One session will be enough to see many examples of the activity. If all us fishermen can see it then anyone in the northern hemisphere will be able too.


NASA videos of 'diploids satelites' :smirk:

http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/videoclips/index.htm
http://www.andromedafree.it/ufo/video/file1/galleria1.htm
http://www.rickrichards.com/ufo
Note: Old links - hope they work still

No physical evidence - yeah right
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/PhysicalTraceCases.htm

And too top it off heres proof of prevailant beliefs eventually being over-turned

A few quotes from histories great skepics:
Lord Kelvin British physicist - "heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."

Robert Millikan Nobel Prize physicist - "There is no likelyhood that man can ever tap the power of the atom."

Dr F.R. Moulton University of Chicago astronomer - "there is no hope for the fanciful idea of reaching the moon because of insurmountable barriers to escaping the Earth's gravity."


There you have it, I've started your work for you, now go and find the rest of the research yourself and stop complaining that we don't give you any links!!!

Diploids expected response -
1. Attack a source - Ignoring the amount of data throughout mankinds history
2. Ignore or diversion - Talk about something else instead of coming up with a good explaination for the vast amount of data
3. Hoax fraud claim - Claim its all a hoax, despite children witnessing these events, despite astronomers, pilots and many famous scientists
4. Nobody knows diversion - Despite stating that 'science works by making theories on available data' himself!
5. Attack technicality - Find error in poster or wording for use as diversion


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: Ego Death]
    #4700215 - 09/23/05 01:17 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: Ego Death]
    #4700308 - 09/23/05 01:44 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

good collection
certainly piques my interest.


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: daimyo]
    #4700325 - 09/23/05 01:51 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Ur gonna need it for this one :smile: lol


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: Ego Death]
    #4700480 - 09/23/05 02:39 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

of the three cases, 1 and 2 are pretty much worthless as evidence, though the third one might be interesting if researched further.


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: vampirism]
    #4700664 - 09/23/05 03:22 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

You forgot the Syrius/Dogon/Nommo stuff, its kind of hard to explain how a completely disconnected tribal society could have known about a star not visible to the naked eye before any other society.


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4701520 - 09/23/05 06:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)



Edited by danoEoboy (09/23/05 06:58 PM)


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: Ego Death]
    #4701749 - 09/23/05 07:20 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Bob, St.Albans
Siobhan...calling these things rubbish is a basic form of defence, against the fear of a possibility that the phenomenon is a reality. You obviously don't want to know, and thats fine. Don't, however, make silly, uninformed and rash statements unless you've taken a considerable look at the enigma. the phenomenon does exist, of that there is no doubt at all. The problem for us as investigative researchers, is establishing exactly WHAT it is, what the nature of the enimga is...and 'rubbish' isn't one of the answers.


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: Ego Death]
    #4702030 - 09/23/05 08:47 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I am sure Diploid hasn't replied yet because he is overwhelmed with the evidence presented here and is speechless in the face of the enormity of it.


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4702049 - 09/23/05 08:51 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

:rofl:


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: Ego Death]
    #4702779 - 09/24/05 12:31 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Case 1:

The Pascagoula incident boils down to two guys' story and the famous polygraph test.

First the story; it was uncorroborated. Nobody else saw anything unusual in the sky before or after the claimed abduction, there were no radar returns from any air traffic control facility, and there was no physical evidence, bruises, ripped clothing, or other evidence of the two abductees being 'probed'.

The abductees hired a lawyer (they needed a lawyer?) who they referred to as their 'agent'. It's interesting to note that the abductees subsequently made a tidy fortune with talk show appearances and a book deal brokered by their 'agent'.

As for the polygraph, it was set up by the abductees' agent. He was offered a polygraph examination for free by the experienced polygraph examiner Charles Wimberly of the Mobile, AL police department. The agent declined Wimberly's offer. Instead, he imported an inexperienced polygraph examiner from a polygraph school 100 miles away in New Orleans who had not yet completed his polygraph training, had not yet been licensed as a polygraph examiner, and had no experience as he was still in polygraph school. Additionally, it turned out that the student polygraph examiner worked for a friend of the agent.

If the people involved in this case were after the truth rather than lucrative talk show and book deals, they would have used a qualified and experienced polygraph examiner instead of a student.

Case 2:

Another story with no corroborating evidence. Conveniently, the two guards and the big-wig politician they were guarding asked to remain anonymous making their testimony in this story useless.

The 'woman driving across the Brooklyn Bridge' who witnessed the abduction is also conveniently unnamed.

Despite the 24/7 traffic on the Brooklyn Bridge and nearby FDR Drive, not a single other person reported seeing anything unusual and there was no flood of calls to the local police department as you'd expect if a woman floated out of a 12th story window into a hovering UFO next to the Brooklyn Bridge!

Case 3:

Assorted stories by people long ago dead and with no corroborating evidence of any kind. My little nephew's story of seeing the Tooth Fairy and apostles' claims of seeing Jesus rise from the dead (even though nobody else saw him) are at home among these stories.

Swami said - Why don't astronomers see UFO's, I say why doesn't Swami see that astronomers do and have seen UFO's

People camping with telescopes, which this link is mostly a catalog of, are not astronomers. Can you provide a link to a peer-reviewed professional astronomers' journal detailing UFO sightings? This is what Swami was referring to: real astronomers, not campers with telescopes.

Diploids expected response

Are you going to point out my bad haircut and suggest it invalidates my reasoning next or will you surprise me and argue your case on its merits instead??

1. Attack a source

LMAO at the irony...

Debunking the 'All UFO pictures are --grainy--' rubbish
http://www.ufoevidence.org/photographs/photohome.asp


Ahahah! That's a good one! I nearly fell off my chair laughing when I clicked that.

This is pic on the FRONT PAGE of that site. :rofl:



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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4703015 - 09/24/05 01:30 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

You forgot the Syrius/Dogon/Nommo stuff, its kind of hard to explain how a completely disconnected tribal society could have known about a star not visible to the naked eye before any other society.

No, actually it's easy to explain:

About one of every three stars in the sky is a binary star. As it happens, Sirius, the star in question, is a binary. Sirius is also the brightest star in the sky as seen from Earth, though it's companion is very dim.

The Dogon have always been aware that some stars are binary. The stars Alcor and Mizar in the middle of the Big Dipper's handle, for example, is a binary which can be seen by someone with good eyes under dark skies.

If Sirius were not a binary, nobody would mention that the Dogon ET mythology was wrong. It happens to be a binary, so UFO proponents hold it up as a startling example of alien visitation in an ancient mythology. Nevermind that if the Dogon had picked any other star at random, they would still have had a one in three chance of picking a binary. That they picked Sirius, the brightest star in the sky, is not surprising and that Sirius is binary is a not-so-unlikely (one in three chance) coincidence.

Critical thinkers come to this explanation rather than that ET visited the Dogon...


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: Diploid]
    #4703784 - 09/24/05 04:10 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Well as predicted you've gone for the expected responses.

So you looked at one photo on the front page, I knew you'd do that.

Just proves that you have judged before researching because theirs some very good photos on that site.



"People camping with telescopes, which this link is mostly a catalog of, are not astronomers. Can you provide a link to a peer-reviewed professional astronomers' journal detailing UFO sightings? This is what Swami was referring to: real astronomers, not campers with telescopes."

Outright lies eh? Look at these happy campers:

Famous astronomer, Edmund Halley
Charles Messier, famous for his nebula catalogue
The famous astronomer, Frederick William Herschel, who discovered the planet Uranus
Francis Arago, the famous French Physicist/Astronomer


There you have it, proof that Diploid would rather believe his unfounded decision than stay open-minded and spend some time doing some unbiased research.


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: Diploid]
    #4703790 - 09/24/05 04:13 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:

No, actually it's easy to explain:

Critical thinkers come to this explanation rather than that ET visited the Dogon...





This still does not explain how they knew of a star that they could not see or why there ancestors would lie that an 'ark' came from the heavens with beings that gave them that knowledge. Very critical.


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: Diploid]
    #4703822 - 09/24/05 04:21 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Case 1:

The Pascagoula incident boils down to two guys' story and the famous polygraph test.

First the story; it was uncorroborated. Nobody else saw anything unusual in the sky before or after the claimed abduction, there were no radar returns from any air traffic control facility, and there was no physical evidence, bruises, ripped clothing, or other evidence of the two abductees being 'probed'.




They blatently stated they went to the police station days later. Do you still expect them to have the same clothes on???
Besides one of them was unconcious so there would be no need to rip there clothes.

Did you just make this shit up as you go along or do you have a source???

Ignore or diversion - Talk about something else instead of coming up with a good explaination for the vast amount of data.


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: Diploid]
    #4703848 - 09/24/05 04:25 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

This folks here is when a critical thinker becomes and evidence and logic dodger...


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: Ego Death]
    #4704003 - 09/24/05 05:13 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

K, Dippy
Explain this one,

http://www.travis-walton.com/

November 5, 1975 in the town Snowflake, Arizona. Travis Walton works as a logger in the woods. When he and his colleagues drive home after work, they encounter an UFO. For the next five days Travis disappears and his colleagues are accused of murder...


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Re: Diploid, here are the incidents that you have not researched and can't account for... [Re: Ego Death]
    #4704038 - 09/24/05 05:35 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Outright lies eh? Look at these happy campers:

Famous astronomer, Edmund Halley
Charles Messier, famous for his nebula catalogue
The famous astronomer, Frederick William Herschel, who discovered the planet Uranus
Francis Arago, the famous French Physicist/Astronomer


There you have it, proof that Diploid would rather believe his unfounded decision than stay open-minded and spend some time doing some unbiased research.




Let's take a look at when those people lived:

Edmond Halley 1656 ?1742
Charles Messier 1730 ? 1817
Wilhelm Friedrich Herschel 1738 ? 1822
Fran?ois Jean Dominique Arago 1786 ? 1853

Science was at a total different level at that time. There was no evolution theory, no special and general relativity, no quantum mechanics, no sense of the size of the Universe, no precise idea of the distance of the stars, no idea what happens in stars, no idea of the age of earth, the solar system and our galaxy, etc, etc, etc.

This just doesn't say anything about the views of modern astronomers.

There was not much known 200-300 years ago, they made all kind of weird hypothesises to explain things the experienced. Edmond Halley was a great physicist and astronomer, but his alien theory was a weird one. He thought that the earth was hollow with four different globes in it with aliens living there. That is like total bullshit according to what we know NOW.


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    #4704266 - 09/24/05 09:10 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

And no satelites to blame UFO on either.

By the way as the Dogon have proved, we have known a hell of alot about stars and space for a long time.

None of the theories you mention have anything to do with the fact that people see flying saucers.


Modern astronomers realise the stigma the UFO/alien theory has, so they don't like to get involved.

If I was an astronomer or scientist I wouldn't want to discredit my reputation and job by becoming a focus for stigma, either.


Besides, the whole picture still remains. A huge phenomena that has no reasonable explaination.

The most reasonable theory/explaination for all of this is aliens, simply by the weight of evidence in favour.


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    #4704386 - 09/24/05 10:18 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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By the way as the Dogon have proved, we have known a hell of alot about stars and space for a long time.




Nah, they didn't know much about stars in the 17th century. Nothing compared to what we know now.  Robert Temple wrote a book bout the Dogon people and said they had contact with aliens to get their knowledge. :confused:
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None of the theories you mention have anything to do with the fact that people see flying saucers.




True, but it explains why people came up with theories that sound weird to modern science. Like a hollow earth. There were just more things that were not explained yet, so there was more room for creative science fiction like theories.

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Modern astronomers realise the stigma the UFO/alien theory has, so they don't like to get involved.

If I was an astronomer or scientist I wouldn't want to discredit my reputation and job by becoming a focus for stigma, either.




So you agree that modern astronomers don't (openly) say that they see flying saucers and think it are Aliens? It is a stigma for good reasons IMHO. There are just too many questions that can't be answered with only pictures and stories and there are way more simple explanations for the pictures and stories than Aliens.

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The most reasonable theory/explanation for all of this is aliens, simply by the weight of evidence in favour.




No, not at all. It is not the most reasonable explanation, it does not explain why they are here, why they always fly in flying saucers, why they only talk with people who have strong believes in Aliens, why flying saucers give light in the dark, why people who don't believe in them never see them, why they never land in big cities, etc, etc.

I actually isn't an explanation at all. The theories "it's just a bird" or "a spot on the lens" or "someone used photoshop" or "someone made up a story" or "someone was hallucinating" explain everything and are very logic and simple. Why is it more reasonable that it are aliens than that someone photoshoped it?


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