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Offlinecubeladd
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Banish bad trips!
    #4700095 - 09/23/05 12:35 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

MOD EDIT: No Sources! The question is: Beta blockers for bad trips - would it work?


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Re: Banish bad trips! [Re: cubeladd]
    #4700130 - 09/23/05 12:43 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think so.


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Re: Banish bad trips! [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #4700193 - 09/23/05 01:05 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

It could work, I've heard that beta-blockers are the best at stopping them once they occour.


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Re: Banish bad trips! [Re: cubeladd]
    #4701252 - 09/23/05 05:37 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

what are beta blockers? The guy in pi talked about them and mentioned ibu-profen and marijuana.... but I'm not entirely sure what their purpose is.... blocking the beta wave? or does beta have nothing to do with brainwaves in this circumstance?


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Re: Banish bad trips! [Re: leery11]
    #4701268 - 09/23/05 05:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Basically beta-blockers compete with epinephrine, and reduce the fight-or-flight response.

Benzos would be a better and safer and more reliable bet to reduce anxiety during a trip.


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Re: Banish bad trips! [Re: dblaney]
    #4701366 - 09/23/05 06:01 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Aren't benzo's pottentially an addiction problem? That's something many otherwise confident herbal entheogen users would be weary of. Especially since you would have a hard time getting ahold of it in the first place, and until you broke the addiction you would curse at yourself for not being able to use more (although that would make it easier to get off of them).


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Re: Banish bad trips! [Re: Konnrade]
    #4701453 - 09/23/05 06:29 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

They are indeed addictive, but not on the order of you use it one time and you're hooked. In fact, many a tripper keeps a benzo handy to use as a last resort, just in case.


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Re: Banish bad trips! [Re: dblaney]
    #4706721 - 09/24/05 09:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I have to agree Benzo's are not addictive unless heavily used and abused. Problem might be attitude. "I'm feeling kind of stressed, I think I'm going to pop a xanax"... You don't really feel any kind of high from Xanax (when used without any other drugs or alcohol) but your stress level goes way down. I've never felt any kind of side effects such as slowed relflexes, ect... But if they become viewed as a "easy way out" of daily stress and start getting taken a lot your body and mind can become dependent on them. In my experience with Xanax I can't even "feel" the drug... I just notice an hour or so later after taking it I'm a lot more relaxed.

Remember, this is just my personal experience. Others may very.

One thing is for sure, the effects are multiplied in a negative way when combined with alcohol. Can you say memoryloss and no coordination? 1 beer and 1 xanax. Good luck passing a sobriety test, even if you pass a breathalizer.

I mostly just keep the stuff around to help me sleep occasionally and for the possibility to relieve the end of a trip.

I really do not see any addiction potential if only used a couple times a week. But that is just my OPINION....


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