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MAOI's and Pineal's
    #4695192 - 09/22/05 02:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

If the release of DMT from the pineal gland is the suspected cause of dreaming, then wouldnt a person under an maoi while dreaming cause them to go on a full fledged DMT trip instead of a normal dream state?

Ive tried looking for literature pertaining to the chemical mechanisms of dreaming, but havent had any luck. I have the faintest idea that serotonin inhibits the pineal gland from sending you on a DMT trip at random times, and somehow an maoi inhibits serotonin from doing this.

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Re: MAOI's and Pineal's [Re: Puppet1]
    #4787929 - 10/11/05 05:41 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've had some experience with this, I've taken 30mg of melatonin with and without a MAOI and went to sleep. Sometimes my dreams are like a trip both on 30mg melatonin with and without the MAOI. Not sure how my dreams ended up like a trip, was weird.

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Re: MAOI's and Pineal's [Re: Puppet1]
    #4788225 - 10/11/05 07:20 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)


Puppet1 said:the release of DMT from the pineal gland is the suspected cause of dreaming

Is it?

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Re: MAOI's and Pineal's [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #4788477 - 10/11/05 08:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I've been reading the pineal chapter of spirit molecule. While both beta-carbolines and potential dmt are present in the pineal gland, he has not suggested that DMT is the cause of dreaming, from what I have read. It's my understanding that this is proven true, or really backed anywhere.

A DMT experience can be very much like a dream, but DMT doesn't seem to be present in dreams itself. It's present in near death experiences, spiritual or meditative experiences, birth (in theory for humans, proven in animals), and death.

I also don't think serotonin prevents this directly does it? It's the fact that the serotonin is being produced... the precursors are being used to make melatonin, not DMT under normal circumstances. Strassman suggests that the external use of DMT might sort of open the door for production in the pineal gland to be used in creating psychedellic chemicals (can't remember if it was DMT itself). The MAO system would further prevent a DMT experience under normal circumstances.

Forgive my errors... I've much more to read. I kind of skipped ahead yesterday, out of a sudden interest in one particular thing. Anyway, if lower amounts of melatonin are produced, and more 'active' substances are instead made, it's quite interesting. Might this happen on the effects of psilocybin? Could that be one of the reasons for the difficulty of sleeping on these chemicals?

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Re: MAOI's and Pineal's [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #4788890 - 10/11/05 09:54 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

The pineal does produce DMT. DMT is thought to produce the 'light at the end of the tunnel' effect when people are dying. Here is a very good article about the Pineal Gland.

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