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 Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? 
#4690932 - 09/21/05 04:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So.... the mods edited and banned swami. I dont know for how long.
Some people are saying that the Mods team up and bully swami, while others say that swami is just getting what is coming to him.
I personally have never seen any obvious bullying, but then again, i havent been in S&P for a while, just got back into it.
**also, this thread belongs in S&P since it does deal with the S&P as a whole**
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4690950 - 09/21/05 04:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here is what Icelander had said in a different thread....
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While I agree with you that Swami acted inappropriately. Lets give him the same protections. That's my beef and no other. I have been watching this go on for as long as I have been here. This seems to be a case of bias and it's become pretty obvious.
I would like to see the timeline of injustices towards Swami...
I am not saying they dont exist, but lets atleast get some links going.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4690960 - 09/21/05 04:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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the man's a magnet for these threads. every few momths...
i almost admire his ability to polarize people like this.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: crunchytoast]
#4690993 - 09/21/05 04:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Meh, he is just a spokeperson/ figurehead for a certain camp of ideology, that is all, which is why i really like the description "digital martyr".
Camp Swami is up in arms, who now will they rally behind when they find themselves at a loss for arguments?
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691018 - 09/21/05 04:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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All I want to see is some fairness. My perception is that it is anything but when it comes to Swami.
If you read my posting with Swami you will see that I am not biased for or against him. I'm looking for that unbiased Moderation that is the cornerstone to the job. If they have a bias then they need to excuse themselves from the job. Just like you would on a jury.
So I say, Unjust Mods. 
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691030 - 09/21/05 04:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree with Icelander's opinion here. There is a place for total skepticism in this forum. It adds to the diversity. In nature and society diversity is healthy.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4691068 - 09/21/05 04:30 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Skepticism and beliefs arent a part of this.
As of right now, if all you have to go on, with the "MOD treats swami unfairly" is the current ban and edit, then that is weak. How long was Swami banned, compared to say... loafy was banned?
Just the toehr day i was reading one of the sticky posts in the S&P about the rules.
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3. Do not come into the middle of a healthy discussion to bash on other members. If you have an alternate viewpoint, then discuss. But attacks on another persons Spirituality will not be tolerated. See rule #1. If you have nothing to contribute to a thread, then do not respond to it. Basically anything that is considered offensive enough to send a thread into a downward spiral is unnacceptable. This includes the posting of offensive pictures which may turn a thread into a flame war.
I think this aptly applies to what Swami did. We can all agree that is was malicious, as well as having no positive contribution (in terms of discussion) to the thread.
Please show some other injustices shown towards Swami by the Mods...
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4691103 - 09/21/05 04:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Agreed. I don't always agree with Swami, but I have never seen him lash out at anyone, no matter how many people do it to him. He makes two valuable contributions to this forum: reason and humor. And people begrudge him for both. They act like he is conspiring against him. This, to me, shows just how emotionally attached people are to their beliefs, and how close-minded they are towards having those beliefs called into question. When I first came across Swami, I thought it was ironic that such a radical skeptic would choose a name like that, but now I see just how fitting it is. He is the greatest spiritual mentor this forum has ever had.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691116 - 09/21/05 04:37 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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So, you think that we should never disagree? I guess that way the members aren't inspired to question the nature of things. That is baby spiritualism. True and valid spiritualism can stand to be tested.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Silversoul]
#4691139 - 09/21/05 04:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would say swami is very funny. In fact, i enjoy all of swami's non-serious funny posts.
Ill have to disagree with the spiritual mentor part though... Swami is a great debator, and that is all. When put into this environment, whomever has the greater debating skills will prevail, no matter what stance they take.
Also, being a great debator has nothing to do with your capacity for logic/reason/skepticism. In a forum setting, misdirection (aka derailing) is one of the easiest tactics. Pretty much , Swami uses nothing but textbook examples of debate tactics.
It isnt surprising that some octagenarian could hold sway over the "doogie Howsers" of the S&P.
so....anyone got those past injustices linked up yet?
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4691154 - 09/21/05 04:45 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said:
So, you think that we should never disagree? I guess that way the members aren't inspired to question the nature of things. That is baby spiritualism. True and valid spiritualism can stand to be tested.
Yes! a great example of a true acolyte of swami! "so you think...(put here something they never said)"
This is a poor attempt at derailing the thread, as well as trying to indirectly mis-quote me. You have much to learn from swami if you are going to be a great "mass-debator" such as him.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691158 - 09/21/05 04:46 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also....is there anyone out there who can show me a timeline of MOD injustices towards Swami?
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691168 - 09/21/05 04:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I stand by the "spiritual mentor" statement. Swami has helped me with my spiritual growth more than anyone else here. I've talked to others who have said the same. I have not seen him derail threads in any of his serious posts(the joking posts are another matter).
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Silversoul]
#4691172 - 09/21/05 04:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Paradigm said:
Agreed. I don't always agree with Swami, but I have never seen him lash out at anyone, no matter how many people do it to him. He makes two valuable contributions to this forum: reason and humor. And people begrudge him for both. They act like he is conspiring against him. This, to me, shows just how emotionally attached people are to their beliefs, and how close-minded they are towards having those beliefs called into question. When I first came across Swami, I thought it was ironic that such a radical skeptic would choose a name like that, but now I see just how fitting it is. He is the greatest spiritual mentor this forum has ever had.
 I certainly wouldn't go that far. Like everyone here he isn't always reasonable. I never saw much in the Swami persona myself. I was always more interested in the few hint about who was behind that persona. He chooses to withhold that and that's his right. But he deserves respect and fair treatment. I agree that his actions in the book thread were childish and dumb. No argument there But I do seem him taking personal attacks and that being ignored.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691179 - 09/21/05 04:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Whats funny is how swami speaks out against Jones town and his feeding of poisoned kool-aid to his followers. Now camp swami is taking poison around here. I have never seen Veritas make mean faces or be so negative and judgmental before. How does the poison of negativity taste Veritas? Feel it pulsing through your veins now? What is it doing for all of the being in joy and pleasure you preach about?
At least poison only killed your carefully crafted image. The real you will survive and we see it clearly now.
And Ice says, "I will not agree or disagree but surrender to the wonder that is as it is." Hahahahaha Now you are taking up arms in resistance and disagreement against the mods decisions. How wonderful is the wonder that is you have surrendered to?
If you all had a problem with what went down in swamis best of UFO evidence thread, you should've brought it up in WAF like this stuff.
No One did. 69 even flamed phluck and he kept his cool and 69 calmed down. He only acted up like the many others who do when they post here and have no idea of the predator tank they just jumped into.
Diploid admitted to pissing on him saying its because he thought he was embarrassing himself with his moon beliefs. If 69 cared about being embarrassed he wouldn't have brought it up. Diploid decided to make him look stupid for it if he could instead. That was a clear violation of disrespecting beliefs. The mods didn't warn diploid to back off. Then Paradigm jumped in after exclusive and said that he was DEMANDING evidence. Only terrorists make demands. Why didn't the mods ask paradigm to back off from terrorizing people here?
Why did both veritas and Ice, only ask 69 to move on if they can't get with the program. You both were showing a bias for swami, diploid and paradigm. Same thing you have been accusing the mods of.
However, you both forget that this site is PRIVATELY OWNED and you are guests here. They run it as they see fit through the extension of the mods who serve their purpose and vision.
Who are you to to tell people to walk and leave? Those people are the guests of the Administrators and you are in their home. Ice just did it to someone in a rating, actually told him to leave S&P. Isn't that what a territorial bully does in a playground they are trying to rule. In the same guys post, you replied with a who gives a fuck greamlin. Maybe someone here did care to here his thoughts and he he has just as much right to post them as you post yours.
What a joke this all is. I have remained in my joy and find you all funny. I will be laughing my way to dinner and movie now.
I personally wish this forum was unmoderated so the predators, bullies and antagonist could get what is coming to them from those they prey on, antagonize and bully. They know how to hide behind the rules.
Swami only blew it again for the same reason. When he was warned to back off, he pushed again anyway.
Why no mods warned anyone to back off and chill, including 69 in the UFO evidence post I have no idea and if I cared to know, I would've brought it up in WAF.
PM the admins if any of you have complaints. I hope this gets moved to WAF too.
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I think this thread should remain here, because it deals with the S&P, and the regulars that post here. Put it in some other forum, and it will be useless.
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But I do seem him taking personal attacks and that being ignored.
How is the issue being ignored when i have obviously created this thread to discuss this exact issue. Here and Now is the time to make an argument for or against the alleged unfairness towards Swami.
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 Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691238 - 09/21/05 05:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think Swami got what he had coming after messing up Trendal's experiment.
I also have to note that just a few days ago I was called: "moron, mutherfucker (sic), asshole, fucking retard, pathetic wretch, fuckstick", then I was told to "fuckoff". All this from one S&P member in one thread over about three days.
It sucked putting up with that and Swami routinely gets worse, even being called an asshole by a MOD a few weeks ago.
So, what's up with that? Skeptics are subject to disciplinary action, but everyone else gets away with murder?
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I have never seen Veritas make mean faces or be so negative and judgmental before. How does the poison of negativity taste Veritas? Feel it pulsing through your veins now? What is it doing for all of the being in joy and pleasure you preach about?
I dislike injustice and prejudice. That has nothing to do with my being negative. We just talked about this on another thread, Jiggy. Is it negative or dogmatic to stand up for your ideals?
I believe the rules should apply to everyone or no one.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Diploid]
#4691265 - 09/21/05 05:13 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Links please? so that we may judge it in context?
Also, i think everyone here has been flamed with no consequences coming to the flamer (lol). There are what? 5000 posts a day in this forum, and 5 mods? they arent omnipotent, nor omnipresent.
I have even gotten into it with a MOD, where we both voiced our dislikes for each other. Now i cant even remember which one it was, but I have to say that that Mod never abused his powers to screw me over.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691270 - 09/21/05 05:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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psilocyberin said:
Also, i think everyone here has been flamed with no consequences coming to the flamer (lol). There are what? 5000 posts a day in this forum, and 5 mods? they arent omnipotent, nor omnipresent.
Yet they're present enough to nitpick at Swami's posts while ignoring the many times that he gets flamed.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Silversoul]
#4691275 - 09/21/05 05:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wouldn't say his posts get nitpicked.
How many times has he been banned in his time here? Isn't this only the second time? That doesn't sound like a very well-organized lynch mob 
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691282 - 09/21/05 05:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Links to abusive posts I reported to the mods. None were deleted, though they added nothing to the thread and were clear flames.
This was on Swami's thread, and many of the posts were "addressed" to him.
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how the fuck am i gonna post a link to a tv guide article u moron??
i only brought them up to illustratee a point mutherfucker.
a point that sees to elude u for some time now.
a point that has nothing to do with the fucking moon landing.
read some fucking books and lern how to distinguish between the point, the argument and the illustration of the argument!
everyone in this topic but you has moved on, were talking about pyramids now, and the topic never was the damn moonlanding.
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No you get over yourself mutherfuckers, im not here to cater to your god damn ego!
WTF is next?? your gonna chastise me for not naming the correct smurf??
how is it i gotta tiptoe trough the tulips for u assholes?
just who the hell do u think you are anyways?
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i dont give a shit how u think it rates asshole, ure dissing material u never read!
the TV guide only mentioned it as a statistic and it was commen knowledge already.
and your a fucking retard if u believe all of those photo's.
a 4yo can tell u whats wrong with them.
it makes sense that they would have anyways, cause there is just no way u can maintain the pretence of those photos being real,
a 4yo can tell you whats wrong with them and you have obviously never looked.
why are u so fucking hellbent on a discussion about the fucking moon anyways!!!!
how many times do i have to state my intended mutherfucking point before u get it trough yout thik fucking head that im not hear for a god damn moon discussion???!!!
its obvious u never looked at the evidence so fuckoff.
start a new topic or something and stop trying to push the thread offtopic so u have an excuse to talk down to people.
your a pathetic wretch for getting your rocks off this way, and u
still cant proove we went to the moon.
stop trying to blow up a miner detail of the conversation to
feed that insatiable ego of yours, we were talking about proof, u have none. so dont try to 'win' the discussion by confusing the subject asshole!
who the fuck made this a competition anyways?
oh and if u keep up with this 'nasa would never lie to us' attitude i would ask you to wear aluminum foil so we all know who u are!
Edited by Veritas (09/21/05 05:31 PM)
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Veritas]
#4691285 - 09/21/05 05:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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None of those links work...
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: trendal]
#4691290 - 09/21/05 05:20 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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 They work for me.
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And Ice says, "I will not agree or disagree but surrender to the wonder that is as it is." Hahahahaha Now you are taking up arms in resistance and disagreement against the mods decisions. How wonderful is the wonder that is you have surrendered to?
At least you're consistant. You still don't have a clue what my thread was about. 
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Veritas]
#4691305 - 09/21/05 05:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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post the text
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: trendal]
#4691307 - 09/21/05 05:26 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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They don't work for me either.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: trendal]
#4691315 - 09/21/05 05:28 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The links worked for me. I read the pages from the ONE thread. Vertigo should have been banned and reprimanded for that.
BUT! i do not see any singling out of insults towards swami. Vertigo flamed diploid, swami, and everyone else against him in that thread.
If this is your evidence that swami is personally being unfairly treated, then diploid and icelander have the same problem of MOD persecution.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691343 - 09/21/05 05:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe I need to clarify stance here. I'm not just about defending Swami. (by the way this is in no way the only time I have seen the Mods ingnoring flaming towards Swami)
I think the Mods here are very inconsistant about moderation in general. I have tried to wake them up ofen enough through PM.
Swami deserves what he gets here. I will say again when we asked about Vertigo they never even removed his posts. It's a best a sloppy job.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691344 - 09/21/05 05:33 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was just using the most recent example of inequitable treatment of rule-breaking. This is not about how Swami was flamed in his thread, though he was, but about the fact that another poster was slapped on the wrist (in private) and his posts were left unedited.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691351 - 09/21/05 05:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Didn't Shroomism (a mod) call Swami an 'asshole' not long ago? I may be wrong as I didn't read that thread, but I remember Shroomism apologizing for it somewhere. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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#4691382 - 09/21/05 05:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Veritas]
#4691388 - 09/21/05 05:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, now we are getting somewhere in this semi-grand jury!
I think we can all agree that the Mods are doing their jobs half-assed. Some people get away with flagrant flaming, while others get deleted because it inadvertantly hurt someones feelings.
Now, do you think that this comes about due to bias? Do you think that any of the Mods are friends or "in" with Vertigo? i doubt it.
I still dont think swami is being persecuted, but more like a general laziness or ineptitude on the MODs part.
Is swami the only one who gets banned, yet doesnt have his counterpart reprimanded when applicable? No
What if i found a thread where the MODs did come to swami's aid? would you still be able to claim that Swami is being unjustly treated?
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691394 - 09/21/05 05:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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In this instance, yes.
I don't know whether he is ALWAYS treated unfairly, but this particular situation reeks of bias.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691397 - 09/21/05 05:43 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The mods here are just arrogant kids on a power trip for the most part (Ripple and Chinacat exluded; Chinacat's never gone on a power trip, due to his intense LSD experiences I might bet, and Ripple's not a kid  ). I wouldn't expect any better from them.
But in the end, it's just a website. I wouldn't take it too seriously, as they're allowed to do whatever they want to, no matter how bullying or illogical it may be.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Ravus]
#4691439 - 09/21/05 05:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, this particular situation, where we examine the two instances:
1) Swami, as well as many others, in a certain thread, were flamed by a member, and, even after MODs were notified, no action was taken.
2) Swami broke an S&P rule about disturbing and messing up threads, and was edited and banned.
Now, I cant see any evidence that the MODs are leaving swami hanging when it comes to him personally being attacked. It seems to be a general failure on the MOds part to take action.
However, it does seem that swami is being very closely watched by the MODs. Have the Mods ever punished swami, where not applicable? i dont think so.
So, what i really think is going on here, is that swami has become the squeeky wheel, and he is getting the oil. Is it biased and unfair?
Within any organization where there is a strata of power, politics of some sort exist. What we have here, is someone who has flagrantly pissed the MODs off, and continued to do so with a big SEG on his face, which probably only infuriated the MODs more.
So, I really dont think swami is getting anything beyond what he has brought upon himself.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691472 - 09/21/05 06:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just think, when he comes back he might make a thread about a book he wrote about banana bread...!?
 +  = 
(Curious, how long was he banned for this time...?)
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691488 - 09/21/05 06:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Unjust Mods? or digital martyr?
Unless "martyr" has a negative meaning on the Spirituality forum, can there please be an option that isnt negative towards the moderators?
Swami hasnt just gotten away with murder: he was permanently banned and then his membership was handed back to him on a silver platter despite the fact he was caught redhanded having created a puppet to troll and stir up the unrest. How did he come back? with a public list of *demands* no less.
If anything is unfair, it's the unheard of preferential treatment Swami has gotten as contrasted by the rules and the usual goings on.
So if there is a call for "justice" it has got to be a call to permanently ban him because he is months past his expiration date but an exception was made for him, despite the fact that he is associated with a lynching mob rallying against the management whenever their idol seems remotely wronged.
How are we the badguy in this?
EDIT: there, his 12 hour ban expired as we speak. Was that so hard?
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691496 - 09/21/05 06:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Also... if you are going to single yourself out, and go against whatever inherent authority, you have to start to fly straight, and adhere to the rules.
Just like many of the vocal members of NORML and any other "freedom fighter" type people have to adhere 100% to the law. They know that they are being watched closer than the average person, so they have to fly straight, if not only to help their cause, to keep themselves constantly available to further their cause.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Asante]
#4691508 - 09/21/05 06:10 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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This all happened before my time but from what I understand the Mods couldn't make there ban stick. Why? If it was just then it would have stuck.
If it was just and the Mods backed down anyway, well that's just as lame. So what gives?
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691514 - 09/21/05 06:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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all i have to say is that most people here spend more time and energy in a month either attacking or defending swami then they put towards real causes like environmentalism, poverty, injustice etc.
just saying... people seem to get so fired up about swami and the injustice hes facing, but its so insignificant. lets all examine our priorities here.
whatever... do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
#4691537 - 09/21/05 06:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
This all happened before my time but from what I understand the Mods couldn't make there ban stick. Why? If it was just then it would have stuck.
If it was just and the Mods backed down anyway, well that's just as lame. So what gives?
can you rephrase that? i didnt get this post at all.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691545 - 09/21/05 06:18 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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If the Mods banned Swami and it was valid and just. Why the heck did they resend it?
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
#4691550 - 09/21/05 06:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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so, swami is no longer banned and edited?
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
#4691557 - 09/21/05 06:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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the Mods couldn't make there ban stick.
How can a management that has "at the sole discretion of the staff" in it's Terms Of Service not make a ban stick?
With leadership comes politics. Politics is a good thing.
As things are now you either respect Swami OR the management. That's what the Swami movement has become.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691563 - 09/21/05 06:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm talking about what WiccanSeeker was talking about. The ban on Swami that happened over a year ago or something. I'm not talking about this current one. Are we on the same page. 
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Asante]
#4691571 - 09/21/05 06:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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He's still locked out of S&P, though the forum-wide ban was lifted.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4691572 - 09/21/05 06:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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so, swami is no longer banned and edited?
At the moment the 12-hour ban has naturally expired. That's a minor ban as mods go, so likely his wrongdoing was equally minor.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
#4691575 - 09/21/05 06:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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no icelander, this thread is about the recent ban on swami not the really old one... um... yeah.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Moonshoe]
#4691585 - 09/21/05 06:27 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Swami hasnt just gotten away with murder: he was permanently banned and then his membership was handed back to him on a silver platter despite the fact he was caught redhanded having created a puppet to troll and stir up the unrest. How did he come back? with a public list of *demands* no less.
This is what I have been refering to since WiccansSeekers post.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
#4691625 - 09/21/05 06:35 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ah, well, I like having Swami here at the S&P, but he needs to adhere to the rules.
I dont think anything should be horrible enough, short of being DEA, to be perma-banned.
12 hours, is enough, the sentence fits the crime.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
#4691644 - 09/21/05 06:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Politics.
The Swami movement may think they "brought him back" but on the contrary their aggressive attitude in defending him was one of Swami's worst enemies.
There has been internal management conferencing in the best interest of the site and as a result of that internal conferencing Swami was given another chance.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Asante]
#4691978 - 09/21/05 07:42 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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have mercy on us swami, we know not what we do
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: crunchytoast]
#4692049 - 09/21/05 07:58 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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He got what was coming to him for posting so many anti-american threads in PA&L. Serves him right!
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Asante]
#4692066 - 09/21/05 08:01 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Politics.
The Swami movement may think they "brought him back" but on the contrary their aggressive attitude in defending him was one of Swami's worst enemies.
There has been internal management conferencing in the best interest of the site and as a result of that internal conferencing Swami was given another chance.
Politics Part of our human nature. We are all one when we contend also. We may choose to feel seperate ( I do it all the time), but in the end I feel like it's family here. 
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: looner2]
#4692087 - 09/21/05 08:06 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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looner2 said:
He got what was coming to him for posting so many anti-american threads in PA&L. Serves him right!
You're in the family too looner.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
#4692275 - 09/21/05 08:48 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4692443 - 09/21/05 09:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wasn't able to see what exactly took place in Trendal's thread, what was specifically said and such in time, however it did seem obvious that there could've been some restraint excercised on Swami's part for the sake of neutrality, but to what magnitude of neutrality-disturbance was evoked, I don't know as I wasn't there to see it, so I'll digress.
However, the issue brought up by Icelander, Veritas, Paradigm and others regarding the actual honesty and justice that has been subjected to Swami by certain mods of this site, is one that I simply cannot disagree with.
Everybody who understands this, including the personality himself, knows that Swami will always be under the fire of multiple egos that are dearly attached to the constructs of their own minds, because Swami comes from a reality that some people have a hard time agreeing with.
A good long look at the history of the threads and posts in S&P, including the recurring topics and discussions, as well as the emotional and intellectual maturity and ages of the demographics, should indicate that someone like Swami, et al, is going to face serious opposition if they maintain the level of participation of the regulars. Swami has exercised his right to stand by his place, just as much as anybody else has, and for that he has paid the price of controversiality, and perhaps even notoriety.
And it has become clear, that with such a stigma placed on him, comes an additional price? He has paid this price once already, and it seems he has now paid once more.
The burden of being a giant amongst midgets, so to speak...
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Good post.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4692710 - 09/21/05 10:02 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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look, the fact is that the Swami persona and the "movement" THRIVE on controversy! If Swami didn't piss everyone off then he wouldn't be Swami and he also wouldn't be such a valuable member of the community.
Yes, he's an asshole, and yes, he most definitely deserved some kind of punishment for destroying trendals experiment. But a 12 hour ban is less than a slap on the wrist! It's nothing to get worked up about!
As W_S said earlier, he's broken enough rules to warrant a permanent ban, but the mods acknowledge his value in the community and keep giving him chances.
I think it's great that he is such a challenge. His skepticism and debating skills keep us all on our toes. But he purposefully behaves in a way that draws negative attention to himself. Is it any wonder why the mods keep such close tabs on him. Skepticism is one thing, but disrespect is something completely different.
And also, I think that angry swearing doesn't neccessarily constitute "flaming". But i don't make the rules or enforce them, so my opinion doesn't matter. Perhaps the mods should discuss new ways to monitor non-contructive, derailing, and angry posts...
but as for me, I just avoid all this bullshit by staying out of debate threads. I rarely read swami's threads because I know right away that they are going to be some sarcastic statement that is designed to piss people off and to not be able to be challenged.
whatever... this is such a dumb issue for us all to get so pissed about...
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indeed it was ( a good post by skorpivo). i issue a retraction of all my previous hot gas spewing. Its not for me to say who should stay and who should go. You said it right, he comes from a reality that most of us have a hard time dealing with... maybe i wouldnt go so far as to say "a giant among midgets" ... but thats your call to make
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Quote:
SkorpivoMusterion said:
I wasn't able to see what exactly took place in Trendal's thread, what was specifically said and such in time, however it did seem obvious that there could've been some restraint excercised on Swami's part for the sake of neutrality, but to what magnitude of neutrality-disturbance was evoked, I don't know as I wasn't there to see it, so I'll digress.
Exactly. I didn't see what happened in this thread either. If you are going to ban someone, it certainly makes sense for your own interests to remove what actually happened so that your opinion will have more weight than what actually happened. Its hard to ban Swami and point to the evidence when you destroy the evidence, and then get pissed off because all of these people want to lash out at you and question the ban. 
I mean, seriously now, can we all say "d'uh!"?
Uh oh, I hope I didn't hurt someone's feelings by pointing out the perceived absense of sense or reason in their point of view... I'd touch and rub them so that they feel better, so I don't get banned, but I think that might be further misconstrued...  Can't we all just get along?
 
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Veritas]
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So dislike is not a negative? If you dislike like something over something else, that in itself is a prejudice. I thought you just said that you dislike prejudice? Thats the same as saying, not liking something in favor of not liking something. Thats funny.
Yes, we did just talk about it and I said, it was healthy to stand up for something you feel passionately about.
You, replied by disagreeing with that. You said that you realized, you shouldn't expect others to believe as you do and that you shouldn't get upset if people don't believe as you do and that it is you who need to respect and accept that. You said that once you did, you felt good again.
It's your own advise you posted and you said you learned from it. So now, obviously, the mods don't believe as you do and you are wanting them to believe as you do.
I think it's funny how quickly you forgot your own advise here. It's even funnier when I replied to you being supportive of taking a stand for what you feel strongly about and you shot that down and NOW you are doing just that.
Experiencing you tell me that I am wrong about something and that you found a way that is better for you and then, a week later I see you do things my way is just funny.
Hmmmm were you applying a prejudice towards me in that post? So my suggestion sucked when I said it, buts it great when you say it. Okay! I find that funny too.
How come you guys ran in to defend those being flamed by vertigo, but said nothing to those who were fanning vertigos short fuse? Like that post itself wasn't a trolling post. Swami puts up one about the best of UFO evidence being lame knowing full well that enthusiast will reply and then, people can come in and make fun of them. I guess you haven't been here long enough yet to grow tired of that shtick.
Vertigo found the topic interesting and wanted to discuss it and his not knowing the ropes here he set himself up and then realized he was being insulted classic S&P "how to get away with it" style. What were his choices?
1) leave the thread and not be able to participate in a discussion here he found interesting. Well that option sucks because, this is a discussion forum.
2) he could've gone to a mod asking WTF is wrong with some people here. Had a mod taken action, he would've been labeled a whiner who can't handle his emotions.
3) He could've ignored the passive insults and just kept discussing with those who shared his interest. That can be difficult to do when someone keeps interrupting calling you a liar and implying you are stupid.
4) he could've used humor to diffuse the situation like many of us do, but then, he would've been going off topic.
5) He just could've kindly asked for some respect for his beliefs and hoped for the best.
6) He did try to be civil at first. He said he saw something written on a TV guide. Because he couldn't prove it and he said he couldn't, he was a called a Liar.
WTF is right.
I get tired of seeing people provoked and hazed who don't know the frat mentality around here and then the one who gets provoked and blindsided gets the ax for being defensive. It's sick, and keeps the dis-ease hiding beneath the surface of this forum thriving.
For a time, I bought into this idea that says, "people grow when they are challenged and get their buttons pushed" Well, I've been observing and playing that game for a year and the growth I have seen come from it is that either people decide, they are to grown up for this place and leave OR they grow to become just as diseased so they fit in.
Cut the skin and the scar makes a stronger thicker seal. Is S&P about toughening up ones skin? I thought OTD was better designed for that. Is that the ideal, to come here and get cut the fuck up to become a walking scar with hardened skin who can in turn more easily cut at others. Is that the kind of growth we work towards here or even want too?
It reminds me of that post crunchy put up about what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. He questioned if it was just being used as a coping phrase for those in denial that they are being whipped by life. Thats how I see this idea that people being challenged in S&P makes them stronger. It doesn't. It just weakens them as it breaks them down until they become malleable enough to fit in and not question the status quo.
It's also funny that people who say others just want the comfort of nutty like beliefs are the ones doing the challenging and hazing and breaking in to get people to believe just like they do so they can feel comfortable in their limitation.
The majority of the planet lives in limitation and consensus reality. One would think a spirituality forum at a psychedelic board would be far removed from that and yet, a handful here want to keep the conversation in alignment with consensus reality. And they call the others scared of the unknown and beyond. It's a joke.
If the administrators want to stop having to deal with this problem, all they have to do is create a philosophy forum for philosophical debate and leave spirituality and religion for discussion only.
Every time a problem comes up where spiritual or religious beliefs are being attacked or disrespected, the justifiable excuse is that this is also a philosophical debate forum. Or some say, they come here just to practice their debating skills and they do it in the middle of a thread where people are working on sharing experiences and esoteric understandings with others. Thats BS that someone gets to walk in on such a thread and practice their debate skills, when they have no sincere interest in exploring the topic with the others. The thread just gets trashed.
Hell forbid people mention splitting this forum lest someone say , yes, the admins should create the Kumbayah forum as they want to make fun of others who just want to have a discussion with others who share the same esoteric interests.
I just got this cool book in the mail called the Lemurian Scrolls. I'd love to start a post on it as I get into it and share some stuff from it. I won't simply because, I can't prove Lemuria existed. Even if I post it as myth and metaphor, what insight it has to offer will come under attack because I can't prove Lemuria existed. The attacks will come that I am gullible, the author is a fraud and scam artist. WTF is right vertigo. Like people don't spend money on fiction for entertainment or to pour themselves in topics of interest like romance novels.
And watch someone reply and say, if you are tired of it, why don't you leave. At the same time I get tired of that, I also love being a part of whats awesome about this forum and what works when it does.
The only reason I am writing all of this is because, I know I am the voice for dozens who are to shy to speak or feel it is useless. This forum is mostly introverts and I am one of the rare extroverts here who has no problem with using my voice publicly.
Like I discussed with you in the thread you referred to Veritas, the slaves would not have been freed and women never given the right to vote if people did not speak out and stand up for those without a voice.
How many of you came out to speak up for swami, who has no problem speaking up for himself, yet you don't speak out for those who don't know how to or who do but can't find words for their frustrations here beyond flaming people.
Anyway, I know I am a guest here and its a privilege to have made the acquaintance of so many I have come to respect and admire.
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Whats funny is how swami speaks out against Jones town and his feeding of poisoned kool-aid to his followers. Now camp swami is taking poison around here. I have never seen Veritas make mean faces or be so negative and judgmental before. How does the poison of negativity taste Veritas? Feel it pulsing through your veins now? What is it doing for all of the being in joy and pleasure you preach about?
Whoa, Jesus Christ, apparently you are extremely bitter concerning Veritas. You must feel challenged by her.
"A Swami ban is good for drama" only holds true when there are those around here that take it as an excuse to lash out at everyone that they have taken issue with. I'd say that it is a woman thing, but then again, I have never seen Veritas act that way.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4693929 - 09/22/05 04:17 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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i miss him already.
banning is too barbaric
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4693931 - 09/22/05 04:19 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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As for those people who don't see enough Moderator action, or inconsistent Moderation, please press the Notify Mod button at the bottom of each post whenever you want someone to look at a touchy situation. Sometimes you've gotta' help Mods do their jobs. Or, help them be more even handed.
Use the feature wisely, you can greatly influence how this forum is Moderated, by pointing your Mods in the right direction.
On another note,
These Swami discussions are important to this forum, and for this community.
I think subjectivity should be removed from this forum's rules. Send people to The Pub, if they want a guaranteed positive experience discussing S&P. Let The Pub handle all The Shroomery's subjectivity. This forum needs to be more open, to get to the meat of things.
Take a look at PA&L, where people thrive on each other's differences (with the occasional flame/ban)... with minimal drama. Tough topics can be discussed here, at The Shroomery with relative ease, if the forum rules allow it to happen.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Rose]
#4693950 - 09/22/05 04:36 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
I think subjectivity should be removed from this forum's rules. Send people to The Pub, if they want a guaranteed positive experience discussing S&P. Let The Pub handle all The Shroomery's subjectivity. This forum needs to be more open, to get to the meat of things.
I think this would be a great idea, just like your reminder to use the notify moderator function. Difference in opinions here have opened up a lot of people to a lot of new insight and understanding. Half the reason that a lot of shit gets stirred when Swami gets banned, I think, is because there are a lot of people that frequent this forum that have receieved great benefit from his posts, whether it is learning to not emotionally react to the point that your perceptions become blurred and distorted, or simply that one should more seriously think their ideas out or be more open to discussion of those ideas, to better formulate and communicate them.
I think a lot of people here would say something to this effect.  I think it is bizarre to think that some people here hold for themselves some lofty concept of spirituality and do not wish for others to take positions agansit their concept, as I personally feel that spirituality is one's highest sense of what life is and the manner in which one lives it - its crazy to think that life isn't going to challenge your concepts and perceptions of itself.
So, yes, let's remove all of the fluffy subjectivity from the rules, and focus more on enforcing effective rules that actually interfere with the discussions and ideas in this forum, like blatant flaming, personal attacks, etc. etc. etc.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4693955 - 09/22/05 04:43 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well said.
I have tried explaining (publicly and privately) until I am blue in the face, how Swami can help this community, but people either love him or hate him... and I can't blame either side, although I have my preference.
The rules don't help matters. It is very hard to allow subjective Moderation, in a forum where people are intended to discuss their differing opinions, openly. What insults one, may enlighten another.
It is obvious Swami's pet project is the S&P Mods. Ballsy... but he risks getting his hand caught in the cookie jar.
I think you really got at the point of this issue.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4693965 - 09/22/05 04:54 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Does that get your rocks off FW. I've called guys on that stuff too. Just because veritas is a female member does that mean I can't call her on stuff because I am female? Thats dumb. Veritas and I both know where each other stands with competitive crap let alone female competitive crap. We think it's crap.
I think she rocks and I'm glad she's here. I even turned down an offer of esteem here and recommended her in my place. She's a strong, intelligent, balanced heartful person. It bumbed me out when I saw her get caught up into one of these swami dramas and get sucked in and away from her center.
I wanted to remind her of the center she said she found that worked for her based on her personal spiritual goals. I think they did work for her if she made a point to say nay to my suggestion to being okay with speaking up towards influencing beleifs for positive change in favor of letting differences be for her own sense of peace and good well being.
If she wants to take a stand now and be an influence for change then, I support that to. I encourage it.
Yet, she is right. It will infringe upon her place of peace and general well being. Some times we sacrifice it for a greater good and sometimes, we maintain just ourselves for our own good. Either way, it's all good in the end.
If you want to go bed with thoughts of her and I in a mud wrestling pit, your imagination is yours. Knock your socks off. I'll be balancing my check book.
For the record, If you want to know who acts as an inspirational challenge to me here, it's gomp. He's made of light. Everything passes right through him. I aspire to dissolve any hard places I yet have within to be more like him.
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If you want to go bed with thoughts of her and I in a mud wrestling pit, your imagination is yours. Knock your socks off. I'll be balancing my check book.
Well, the fantasy went something like that, but at the same time, I think it also involved me and Icelander being a bit more than passive specatators...
What makes you think that her participation in discussion over the banning of Swami is evidence of her losing her center?
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At least poison only killed your carefully crafted image. The real you will survive and we see it clearly now.
Experiencing you tell me that I am wrong about something and that you found a way that is better for you and then, a week later I see you do things my way is just funny....
Hmmmm were you applying a prejudice towards me in that post? So my suggestion sucked when I said it, buts it great when you say it. Okay! I find that funny too.
Isn't this like schoolyard talk? Sorry, but it looks sad. 
If I ever understood Veritas' posts, then I am afraid you didn't.
That kind of confuses me.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: dorkus]
#4693991 - 09/22/05 05:23 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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dr_mandelbrot said:
At least poison only killed your carefully crafted image. The real you will survive and we see it clearly now.
Experiencing you tell me that I am wrong about something and that you found a way that is better for you and then, a week later I see you do things my way is just funny....
Hmmmm were you applying a prejudice towards me in that post? So my suggestion sucked when I said it, buts it great when you say it. Okay! I find that funny too.
See, that is what I was talking about. Competition or not, something seems to be going on there...
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4694372 - 09/22/05 08:49 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah... drama.
If Swami is enlightening 10 percent of the time.. he pisses people off the other 90. Criticism and pointing out faults only goes constructively so far. That said I love the dude, but I'm not going to throw myself in front of him to block the metaphorical bullet he has carefully crafted for himself in the past 6 years.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Ravus]
#4694525 - 09/22/05 09:45 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The mods here are just arrogant kids on a power trip for the most part (Ripple and Chinacat exluded; Chinacat's never gone on a power trip, due to his intense LSD experiences I might bet, and Ripple's not a kid ). I wouldn't expect any better from them.
But in the end, it's just a website. I wouldn't take it too seriously, as they're allowed to do whatever they want to, no matter how bullying or illogical it may be.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
You, replied by disagreeing with that. You said that you realized, you shouldn't expect others to believe as you do and that you shouldn't get upset if people don't believe as you do and that it is you who need to respect and accept that. You said that once you did, you felt good again.
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Like I discussed with you in the thread you referred to Veritas, the slaves would not have been freed and women never given the right to vote if people did not speak out and stand up for those without a voice.
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gettinjiggywithit said:
You can not be attached to a beleif and still stand up for ideals. If you ideal is joyful living and love contributes to that ideal then what do you have to be wronged for in standing up for love being something special to you?
Where would we be if people didn't stand up against slavery? Where would you and I be if women didn't stand up for their beleif that they have a right to vote and equal pay? Standing up for an ideal need not have a thing to do with being defencive or feeling you are on the attack or offended.
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Veritas said:"As soon as I loosened my hold on the belief that there was something uniquely correct about seeing Love as important, I was no longer defensive."
There is nothing wrong with my thinking there is something special about Love to me, the problem was my thinking others needed to agree with me. That, in my mind, is what's wrong with "-isms."
I have had incredible experiences with the power that I call Love, and still believe that others could benefit from having the same or similar experiences, but I do not NEED them to acknowledge the validity of my beliefs.
OK, just wanted to clarify the discussion we were both talking about, dear!
My response to your original post on my "ism" thread was directed to you saying that I was "standing up" for love, not you saying that slavery and the right to vote were important things to have stood up for.
Of course I believe that unjust legislation which enslaves or excludes certain members of society should be challenged!
I also believe that rules which are not applied equally to all members of a community (such as the Shroomery) should be challenged.
Holding on loosely to my beliefs as being right for everyone, or even absolutely and permanently right for ME, was the discussion on my "ism" thread.
The rules here are not about my beliefs, or even the mods' beliefs, but about managing a large community. I do not expect the mods' to believe as I do, but I do expect them to fairly apply the rules. Of course their decisions will be subjective...all human decisions are! Does that mean we cannot question their actions?
For the record, I did not feel negatively affected by standing up and objecting to a decision I thought was unjust. I do not think I was attempting to force my beliefs on anyone.
When Vertigo behaved badly on Swami's thread (whether it was a "baiting" or "joking" thread is irrelevant, BTW) I objected and posted a quote from the forum rules. He responded angrily and continued to personally attack and insult people. I reported his posts, watched two mods make unrelated posts on the thread alongside his diatribes, and saw nothing happen. Eventually he did calm down, but only after three other posters backed me up and told him he was out of line.
Is he allowed to blow up and flame others when his assertions are questioned? Is that the new rule for all of us? Gonna be a hot time in the ol' Shroomery tonight!!
I think we will have to agree to disagree about that particular situation, Jiggy.
As to the mud wrestling...that will have to stay in fantasyland, FWG!
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Shroomism]
#4694893 - 09/22/05 11:38 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think, swami is a fair, but, and tricky discussion-partner.
Even if I didn't have read his direct answers in the Trendal-thread, where it was not wished to say book-titles, he must have named many book-titles repeatedly.
It was like if you say no to a child, he does it with more effort...
What did he want to tell us with this ? 
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
#4694948 - 09/22/05 11:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think what Swami did was immature and plain mean, and it did warrant a 24 hour ban.
On the other hand, from lurking and reading threads, I have seen skeptics like Diploid and Swami get verbally abused all the time. While I believe Swami deserved his ban, it would be nice to see a little consistency in the rules around here.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Redstorm]
#4695127 - 09/22/05 12:40 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm banned. Thanks for playing.
Edited by Shroomism (09/22/05 01:10 PM)
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Puppet1]
#4695162 - 09/22/05 12:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why are you yelling?
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Puppet1]
#4695239 - 09/22/05 01:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Shroomism]
#4695268 - 09/22/05 01:11 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wonder who the mysterious puppet was? Was it Jiggy, Ravus, Dip, FWG, maybe Markos? It's anyones guess. 
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
#4695303 - 09/22/05 01:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Who knows.. he's banned now though.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4695413 - 09/22/05 01:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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That something "going on" is related to a general observation in life and here. Negativity is like a contagious disease. Misery loves company. I watch it spread and grow, I feel it infect me some days here, I see it infect others.
Negativity is like an mental/emotional toxic poison to me. I used a metaphor. Like flu germs, you don't see it sneaking in and only realize it did when the symptoms manifest.
I pointed it out to Ver. That's what was going on. If you want to make anything more out of that that what it is, your imagination is yours.
Swamis negativity infected the mods then they acted in symptoms then it spread to other members and they acted in symptoms and it spreads and spreads. Maybe I should of washed my hands and left when I saw something going on. Self preservation is not a bad thing. It just would've felt selfish to me had I made that choice instead of calling it to the attention of others in the manor I did.
When you are aware of epedemic outbreaks, do you tell people about it or sit back and let it spread?
Why are we not infecting each other with love and looking out for the general mental and emotional health and well being of each other around here all of the time? This forum has so much potential to be used as a beneficial communial resource. I'm an idealist. I feel passionate about positive change sometimes, it comes out the way it does from me.
I watched it happen in swamis UFO thread. The negative antagonist leaking toxins. I watched vertigo get infected and his severe reaction of symptoms. I watched the spread. I washed my hands and stayed away from that one. Many would like to harden this board from their sensitivity to it so they can kept spreading it.
If you DR. or FW have a problem with my caring about the health of this forum then, what I can else can I say? It's hard not to care when I spend time daily here for over a year. My health is influenced by what goes on here and it effects me too. I don't want to become more hardened or then I already am or careless to stay resistant to dis-eases here.
Maybe it is time for me to choosee self preservation now and move on. I'll read verita's reply and if I have anything to say in responce, I'll make it my last. If not, this one is.
Choices choices choices.
If you find it sad Dr. Mandelbrot, then you understood my post and how I was feeling when I wrote that. I find it sad too. I'll get over it and move on soon enough.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Veritas]
#4695485 - 09/22/05 02:07 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas,
Of course vertigo should've been warned and banned. I wondered myself why even phluck who was flamed by him didn't ban him on spot.
It takes to two to tango. It's not like vetigo just started a new post calling people names asking wtf is wrong with everyone. He was provoked and diploid admitted to provoking him because he felt embarssed for him about that moon thingie. Diploid got personal first calling him a liar.
What good is is treating just the symptoms of hostile defence to mask the cause of passive hostile offense?
I would've banned vertigo. His replies were more out of line then anything I have seen here in my year plus. I would;ve warned diploid first and maybe, vertigos reaction would've been nipped in the bud without further prompting.
It's great you acted to draw the attention of the mods to that thread. I didn't understand and still dont understand why anyone who was offended by veritgos reaction wasn't also offended by diploids lunge into him. Had I seen just ONE person comment on that, I would said nothing myself. Well, I said it
I have a new book I'm off to pour myself into now. There's another forum on the net that is a pretty resonate with my new choice to stay in healthy environments now. If anyone wants the link, PM me.
Peace and love to you shroomerites! 
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Shroomism]
#4695544 - 09/22/05 02:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said:
Who knows.. he's banned now though.
If it is being implied that it is Swami, I distinctly remember seeing this account post in this forum before this whole incident occured... Swami must be training his puppets, like Al-Qaida, much ahead of time, building up a believable, unassuming background story, such as over sixty posts.... 
What is really interesting, as this thread from over a week ago will indicate, is that Swami and this puppet directly reply to each other.... I think that Swami must be really losing it! And then you seperate him from his object of obsession, this forum, with a ban?!  Hopefully this schizophrenic doesn't know where any of you moderators live!
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Shroomism]
#4695587 - 09/22/05 02:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said:
Yeah... drama.
If Swami is enlightening 10 percent of the time.. he pisses people off the other 90. Criticism and pointing out faults only goes constructively so far.
Yeah, exactly, it only goes so far. It only goes as far as the point of logical no return, the line creating the 90/10% split, which is where, after that point, the person is too seperated from a direct perception and understanding of reality, due to the obstructing abstractions, beliefs that they hold as a result of some emotional reaction, usually fear, or out of sheer ignorance and inability to rationalize.
I'm sure Swami is the equivalent of the hard-nosed, high-school alegbra teacher. The more intelligent students realize how their strictness and requirement of tons of homework actually benefits the student, teaching them lessons and ingraining mathematical understanding, while the other ninety percent are too concerned with their slutty girlfriend, who drank how much last weekend before the party got busted, where the beer will be at this weekend, and why the teacher is so uptight and isn't fun and carefree as well.
If anyone here gets pissed off at Swami, the chances of their spirituality or philosophy actually standing the test of life when it is truly tested by raw situation and conflict is next to nil, they obviously are mentally weak and underdeveloped. Maybe after the kid gets his girlfriend pregnant, serves time for statuatory rape, and can't even get a job that will earn him enough to pay rent and feed himself on his own, he will realize the importance of the lessons that teacher had, eh?
Reality is a fucking bitch like that.
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4695600 - 09/22/05 02:39 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe after the kid gets his girlfriend pregnant, serves time for statuatory rape, and can't even get a job that will earn him enough to pay rent and feed himself on his own, he will realize the importance of the lessons that teacher had, eh?
Metaphorically speaking, of course!
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4695611 - 09/22/05 02:41 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Swami has been a great teacher for me on just this issue. Weather he learns anything is debatable, but beside the point for me.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Shroomism]
#4695678 - 09/22/05 02:55 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said:
If Swami is enlightening 10 percent of the time.. he pisses people off the other 90.
I don't think you can dice it up like that. With him, the two usually go hand-in-hand, but that's mostly due to the prevailing attitudes of those he pisses off.
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fireworks_god
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gettinjiggywithit said:
That something "going on" is related to a general observation in life and here. Negativity is like a contagious disease. Misery loves company. I watch it spread and grow, I feel it infect me some days here, I see it infect others.
It infects you, and then you subsequently spread it? It cannot have an effect on you if the aspects of ones mental programming that would react to it are transcended. Can you honestly sense no amount of negativity in your own words, as directed at Veritas and as quoted by myself and Dr. Mandelbrot?
I'm obviously not acting as though I have transcended such, but I will not personally deny it or try to cover it up or paint it in a different light when I do act in a manner with negative overtones, although I admit I have done that too. I find it easy, with my powerful mind (), to be able to act with one intention or aspects of certain feelings present, and then later represent that act as being based in something completely different. I have found that acting in such a way will almost always result in a further seperation of myself from reality, or from my relationship with those that are also involved.
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I pointed it out to Ver. That's what was going on. If you want to make anything more out of that that what it is, your imagination is yours.
Another thing that I have learned is that it we each have different interpetations of reality, and that I have also found that when acting in a certain manner, or speaking a certain thought or idea, out of whatever intention, or to represent whatever intended meaning, others can very easily interpret my actions, intended meanings, or motivations for deciding upon such in entirely different lights.
That is why I find it hard to believe that you know exactly what was going on with Veritas and her posts and what she meant, and that if I intrepret anything more than what is (that is, what is what you think), it is simply the result of my imagination, and not the interface between my direct perceptions and my interpretations and meanings based upon that.
I personally have said things that have been intrepeted in extremely negative ways, when, in fact, I might have had a humorous, ironic inflection, or that it was simply a neutral statement. I find that it generally takes years of direct interaction with a person to be able to accurately surmise the unknown variables and facets responsible for how and why that person interacts which lies behind that barrier of subjectivity, unless you are enlightened or of Christ Consciousness. I'm certainly not, the times that I have increasingly more aware experiences, I generally draw back into more unenlightened states of consciousness, at least as a trough. I could not know the true motivations of anyone here, especially Swami, who certainly has something going on inside of him.
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Swamis negativity infected the mods then they acted in symptoms then it spread to other members and they acted in symptoms and it spreads and spreads.
You yourself said that negativity is very subtle when it first enters into a system, and that it is only identifiable when the symptoms manifest. Your next comment about it being a good and, above all, noble thing to warn of epidemic outbreaks results from that, then. What if the negativity that Swami injected into this system was merely that of a vaccine, an illusion of negativity to alert one's immune system to the illusory negativity, so that it creates antibodies, a defense agansit actual, meaningful, emotion-backed negativity? Why, if everyone viewed Swami in such a light, regardless of whether or not it was intentional on his part, he'd be beatified and would be given a date in the canon.
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If you DR. or FW have a problem with my caring about the health of this forum then, what I can else can I say?
I can see George W. Bush, after being declared incompetant and questioned about why the hell we'd create an illusory war on terrorism, declaring that he truly cares about the health of this country, and that those questioning his ignorance are implying that he shouldn't care about the health of the country.  I'd like to think we'd be above this and would make our points and convey our ideas in ways that allow them to speak for themselves, not to rely on strange personalisms and political tatics.
Peace.
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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4695738 - 09/22/05 03:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"would be given a date in the canon"
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fireworks_god
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
#4695739 - 09/22/05 03:09 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
Swami has been a great teacher for me on just this issue. Weather he learns anything is debatable, but beside the point for me.
Whether or not Swami himself learns anything is indiscernible. Is it mandatory that he professes every idea and concept he has learned as a result of interacting in this forum?
Those who learn in a more subtle, aware, "knowing" sense will find it difficult to identify one source responsible for key concepts that they have become aware of, as their whole life will serve as a constant, inter-related mesh networked source of meaning. Some just keep their cards to themselves - some might be intrigued in the concept of the loss of personal history and its benefits, where others live that...
Its all so wide open and dynamic..
Peace.
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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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fireworks_god
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Veritas]
#4695752 - 09/22/05 03:15 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Veritas said:
"would be given a date in the canon"
Peace.
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For I've never known completeness
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Loving every breath of you
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4695764 - 09/22/05 03:17 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mine is funnier.
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fireworks_god
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Veritas]
#4695784 - 09/22/05 03:21 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Veritas said:
Mine is funnier.
Um, I don't know if you saw the guy on the right, holding the canon up... but.... I think he looks amusing as hell.
Peace.
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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Loving every breath of you
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4695788 - 09/22/05 03:22 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sure, but a lot of people would rather shoot Swami out of a cannon then canonize him.
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Veritas]
#4695914 - 09/22/05 03:50 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Unjust Mods or weakhearted piss-drinking Nazi swine in disguise?
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Rose
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Ouch.
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Fiddlesticks.
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fireworks_god
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Rose]
#4698469 - 09/22/05 11:36 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
Ouch.
Oh, you know it turned you on.
Peace.
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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: fireworks_god]
#4698479 - 09/22/05 11:38 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ann Coulter turns me on.
Think of being dominated by that wild-eyed Neo-con! Yeehaw!
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SneezingPenis
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Once we have a martyr, we can then go on to being a cult right?
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