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InvisibleMoonshoe
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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4691514 - 09/21/05 06:11 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

all i have to say is that most people here spend more time and energy in a month either attacking or defending swami then they put towards real causes like environmentalism, poverty, injustice etc.

just saying... people seem to get so fired up about swami and the injustice hes facing, but its so insignificant. lets all examine our priorities here.

:stoned:

whatever... do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
    #4691537 - 09/21/05 06:16 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Icelander said:
This all happened before my time but from what I understand the Mods couldn't make there ban stick. Why? If it was just then it would have stuck.

If it was just and the Mods backed down anyway, well that's just as lame. So what gives?




can you rephrase that? i didnt get this post at all.

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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4691545 - 09/21/05 06:18 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

If the Mods banned Swami and it was valid and just. Why the heck did they resend it?


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
    #4691550 - 09/21/05 06:19 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

so, swami is no longer banned and edited?

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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
    #4691557 - 09/21/05 06:22 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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the Mods couldn't make there ban stick.




How can a management that has "at the sole discretion of the staff" in it's Terms Of Service not make a ban stick?

With leadership comes politics. Politics is a good thing.
As things are now you either respect Swami OR the management. That's what the Swami movement has become.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4691563 - 09/21/05 06:22 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I'm talking about what WiccanSeeker was talking about. The ban on Swami that happened over a year ago or something. I'm not talking about this current one. Are we on the same page. :grin:


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Asante]
    #4691571 - 09/21/05 06:24 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

He's still locked out of S&P, though the forum-wide ban was lifted.  :confused:

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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4691572 - 09/21/05 06:24 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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so, swami is no longer banned and edited?





At the moment the 12-hour ban has naturally expired. That's a minor ban as mods go, so likely his wrongdoing was equally minor.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
    #4691575 - 09/21/05 06:25 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

no icelander, this thread is about the recent ban on swami not the really old one... um... yeah.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #4691585 - 09/21/05 06:27 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Swami hasnt just gotten away with murder: he was permanently banned and then his membership was handed back to him on a silver platter despite the fact he was caught redhanded having created a puppet to troll and stir up the unrest. How did he come back? with a public list of *demands* no less.




This is what I have been refering to since WiccansSeekers post.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
    #4691625 - 09/21/05 06:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Ah, well, I like having Swami here at the S&P, but he needs to adhere to the rules.
I dont think anything should be horrible enough, short of being DEA, to be perma-banned.
12 hours, is enough, the sentence fits the crime.

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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
    #4691644 - 09/21/05 06:39 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Politics.

The Swami movement may think they "brought him back" but on the contrary their aggressive attitude in defending him was one of Swami's worst enemies.

There has been internal management conferencing in the best interest of the site and as a result of that internal conferencing Swami was given another chance.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Asante]
    #4691978 - 09/21/05 07:42 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

have mercy on us swami, we know not what we do

:jesus:


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4692049 - 09/21/05 07:58 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

He got what was coming to him for posting so many anti-american threads in PA&L. Serves him right!


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Asante]
    #4692066 - 09/21/05 08:01 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Politics.

The Swami movement may think they "brought him back" but on the contrary their aggressive attitude in defending him was one of Swami's worst enemies.

There has been internal management conferencing in the best interest of the site and as a result of that internal conferencing Swami was given another chance.




Politics :grin: Part of our human nature. We are all one when we contend also. We may choose to feel seperate ( I do it all the time), but in the end I feel like it's family here. :heart:


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: looner2]
    #4692087 - 09/21/05 08:06 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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looner2 said:
He got what was coming to him for posting so many anti-american threads in PA&L. Serves him right!





You're in the family too looner. :heart:


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Icelander]
    #4692275 - 09/21/05 08:48 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

(in cartman voice) i love you guys


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4692443 - 09/21/05 09:17 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I wasn't able to see what exactly took place in Trendal's thread, what was specifically said and such in time, however it did seem obvious that there could've been some restraint excercised on Swami's part for the sake of neutrality, but to what magnitude of neutrality-disturbance was evoked, I don't know as I wasn't there to see it, so I'll digress.

However, the issue brought up by Icelander, Veritas, Paradigm and others regarding the actual honesty and justice that has been subjected to Swami by certain mods of this site, is one that I simply cannot disagree with.
Everybody who understands this, including the personality himself, knows that Swami will always be under the fire of multiple egos that are dearly attached to the constructs of their own minds, because Swami comes from a reality that some people have a hard time agreeing with.

A good long look at the history of the threads and posts in S&P, including the recurring topics and discussions, as well as the emotional and intellectual maturity and ages of the demographics, should indicate that someone like Swami, et al, is going to face serious opposition if they maintain the level of participation of the regulars. Swami has exercised his right to stand by his place, just as much as anybody else has, and for that he has paid the price of controversiality, and perhaps even notoriety.
And it has become clear, that with such a stigma placed on him, comes an additional price? He has paid this price once already, and it seems he has now paid once more.

The burden of being a giant amongst midgets, so to speak...



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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #4692597 - 09/21/05 09:44 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Good post.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4692710 - 09/21/05 10:02 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

look, the fact is that the Swami persona and the "movement" THRIVE on controversy! If Swami didn't piss everyone off then he wouldn't be Swami and he also wouldn't be such a valuable member of the community.

Yes, he's an asshole, and yes, he most definitely deserved some kind of punishment for destroying trendals experiment. But a 12 hour ban is less than a slap on the wrist! It's nothing to get worked up about!

As W_S said earlier, he's broken enough rules to warrant a permanent ban, but the mods acknowledge his value in the community and keep giving him chances.

I think it's great that he is such a challenge. His skepticism and debating skills keep us all on our toes. But he purposefully behaves in a way that draws negative attention to himself. Is it any wonder why the mods keep such close tabs on him. Skepticism is one thing, but disrespect is something completely different.

And also, I think that angry swearing doesn't neccessarily constitute "flaming". But i don't make the rules or enforce them, so my opinion doesn't matter. Perhaps the mods should discuss new ways to monitor non-contructive, derailing, and angry posts...

but as for me, I just avoid all this bullshit by staying out of debate threads. I rarely read swami's threads because I know right away that they are going to be some sarcastic statement that is designed to piss people off and to not be able to be challenged.

whatever... this is such a dumb issue for us all to get so pissed about...

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