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Unjust Mods? or digital martyr?
    #4690932 - 09/21/05 06:09 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

So.... the mods edited and banned swami. I dont know for how long.

Some people are saying that the Mods team up and bully swami, while others say that swami is just getting what is coming to him.

I personally have never seen any obvious bullying, but then again, i havent been in S&P for a while, just got back into it.

**also, this thread belongs in S&P since it does deal with the S&P as a whole**


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4690950 - 09/21/05 06:11 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Here is what Icelander had said in a different thread....

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While I agree with you that Swami acted inappropriately. Lets give him the same protections. That's my beef and no other. I have been watching this go on for as long as I have been here. This seems to be a case of bias and it's become pretty obvious.




I would like to see the timeline of injustices towards Swami...
I am not saying they dont exist, but lets atleast get some links going.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4690960 - 09/21/05 06:12 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

:lol:
the man's a magnet for these threads.  every few momths...

i almost admire his ability to polarize people like this.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4690993 - 09/21/05 06:17 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Meh, he is just a spokeperson/ figurehead for a certain camp of ideology, that is all, which is why i really like the description "digital martyr".
Camp Swami is up in arms, who now will they rally behind when they find themselves at a loss for arguments?


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4691018 - 09/21/05 06:22 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

All I want to see is some fairness. My perception is that it is anything but when it comes to Swami.

If you read my posting with Swami you will see that I am not biased for or against him. I'm looking for that unbiased Moderation that is the cornerstone to the job. If they have a bias then they need to excuse themselves from the job. Just like you would on a jury.

So I say, Unjust Mods. :thumbdown:


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4691030 - 09/21/05 06:24 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I agree with Icelander's opinion here. There is a place for total skepticism in this forum. It adds to the diversity. In nature and society diversity is healthy.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4691068 - 09/21/05 06:30 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Skepticism and beliefs arent a part of this.
As of right now, if all you have to go on, with the "MOD treats swami unfairly" is the current ban and edit, then that is weak. How long was Swami banned, compared to say... loafy was banned?

Just the toehr day i was reading one of the sticky posts in the S&P about the rules.
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3. Do not come into the middle of a healthy discussion to bash on other members. If you have an alternate viewpoint, then discuss. But attacks on another persons Spirituality will not be tolerated. See rule #1. If you have nothing to contribute to a thread, then do not respond to it. Basically anything that is considered offensive enough to send a thread into a downward spiral is unnacceptable. This includes the posting of offensive pictures which may turn a thread into a flame war.



I think this aptly applies to what Swami did. We can all agree that is was malicious, as well as having no positive contribution (in terms of discussion) to the thread.

Please show some other injustices shown towards Swami by the Mods...


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4691103 - 09/21/05 06:34 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Agreed. I don't always agree with Swami, but I have never seen him lash out at anyone, no matter how many people do it to him. He makes two valuable contributions to this forum: reason and humor. And people begrudge him for both. They act like he is conspiring against him. This, to me, shows just how emotionally attached people are to their beliefs, and how close-minded they are towards having those beliefs called into question. When I first came across Swami, I thought it was ironic that such a radical skeptic would choose a name like that, but now I see just how fitting it is. He is the greatest spiritual mentor this forum has ever had.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4691116 - 09/21/05 06:37 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

So, you think that we should never disagree? I guess that way the members aren't inspired to question the nature of things. That is baby spiritualism. True and valid spiritualism can stand to be tested.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4691139 - 09/21/05 06:42 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I would say swami is very funny. In fact, i enjoy all of swami's non-serious funny posts.
Ill have to disagree with the spiritual mentor part though... Swami is a great debator, and that is all. When put into this environment, whomever has the greater debating skills will prevail, no matter what stance they take.
Also, being a great debator has nothing to do with your capacity for logic/reason/skepticism. In a forum setting, misdirection (aka derailing) is one of the easiest tactics. Pretty much , Swami uses nothing but textbook examples of debate tactics.
It isnt surprising that some octagenarian could hold sway over the "doogie Howsers" of the S&P.

so....anyone got those past injustices linked up yet?


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4691154 - 09/21/05 06:45 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
So, you think that we should never disagree? I guess that way the members aren't inspired to question the nature of things. That is baby spiritualism. True and valid spiritualism can stand to be tested.




Yes! a great example of a true acolyte of swami! "so you think...(put here something they never said)"
This is a poor attempt at derailing the thread, as well as trying to indirectly mis-quote me. You have much to learn from swami if you are going to be a great "mass-debator" such as him.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4691158 - 09/21/05 06:46 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Also....is there anyone out there who can show me a timeline of MOD injustices towards Swami?


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4691168 - 09/21/05 06:49 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I stand by the "spiritual mentor" statement. Swami has helped me with my spiritual growth more than anyone else here. I've talked to others who have said the same. I have not seen him derail threads in any of his serious posts(the joking posts are another matter).


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4691172 - 09/21/05 06:50 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Agreed.  I don't always agree with Swami, but I have never seen him lash out at anyone, no matter how many people do it to him.  He makes two valuable contributions to this forum:  reason and humor.  And people begrudge him for both.  They act like he is conspiring against him.  This, to me, shows just how emotionally attached people are to their beliefs, and how close-minded they are towards having those beliefs called into question.  When I first came across Swami, I thought it was ironic that such a radical skeptic would choose a name like that, but now I see just how fitting it is.  He is the greatest spiritual mentor this forum has ever had.




:rofl2: I certainly wouldn't go that far. Like everyone here he isn't always reasonable. I never saw much in the Swami persona myself. I was always more interested in the few hint about who was behind that persona. He chooses to withhold that and that's his right. But he deserves respect and fair treatment. I agree that his actions in the book thread were childish and dumb. No argument there But I do seem him taking personal attacks and that being ignored.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4691179 - 09/21/05 06:54 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Whats funny is how swami speaks out against Jones town and his feeding of poisoned kool-aid to his followers. Now camp swami is taking poison around here. I have never seen Veritas make mean faces or be so negative and judgmental before. How does the poison of negativity taste Veritas? Feel it pulsing through your veins now? What is it doing for all of the being in joy and pleasure you preach about?

At least poison only killed your carefully crafted image. The real you will survive and we see it clearly now.

And Ice says, "I will not agree or disagree but surrender to the wonder that is as it is." Hahahahaha Now you are taking up arms in resistance and disagreement against the mods decisions. How wonderful is the wonder that is you have surrendered to?

If you all had a problem with what went down in swamis best of UFO evidence thread, you should've brought it up in WAF like this stuff.

No One did. 69 even flamed phluck and he kept his cool and 69 calmed down. He only acted up like the many others who do when they post here and have no idea of the predator tank they just jumped into.

Diploid admitted to pissing on him saying its because he thought he was embarrassing himself with his moon beliefs. If 69 cared about being embarrassed he wouldn't have brought it up. Diploid decided to make him look stupid for it if he could instead. That was a clear violation of disrespecting beliefs. The mods didn't warn diploid to back off. Then Paradigm jumped in after exclusive and said that he was DEMANDING evidence. Only terrorists make demands. Why didn't the mods ask paradigm to back off from terrorizing people here?

Why did both veritas and Ice, only ask 69 to move on if they can't get with the program. You both were showing a bias for swami, diploid and paradigm. Same thing you have been accusing the mods of.

However, you both forget that this site is PRIVATELY OWNED and you are guests here. They run it as they see fit through the extension of the mods who serve their purpose and vision.

Who are you to to tell people to walk and leave? Those people are the guests of the Administrators and you are in their home. Ice just did it to someone in a rating, actually told him to leave S&P. Isn't that what a territorial bully does in a playground they are trying to rule. In the same guys post, you replied with a who gives a fuck greamlin. Maybe someone here did care to here his thoughts and he he has just as much right to post them as you post yours.

What a joke this all is. I have remained in my joy and find you all funny. I will be laughing my way to dinner and movie now.

I personally wish this forum was unmoderated so the predators, bullies and antagonist could get what is coming to them from those they prey on, antagonize and bully. They know how to hide behind the rules.

Swami only blew it again for the same reason. When he was warned to back off, he pushed again anyway.

Why no mods warned anyone to back off and chill, including 69 in the UFO evidence post I have no idea and if I cared to know, I would've brought it up in WAF.

PM the admins if any of you have complaints. I hope this gets moved to WAF too.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4691222 - 09/21/05 07:02 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I think this thread should remain here, because it deals with the S&P, and the regulars that post here. Put it in some other forum, and it will be useless.

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But I do seem him taking personal attacks and that being ignored.



How is the issue being ignored when i have obviously created this thread to discuss this exact issue. Here and Now is the time to make an argument for or against the alleged unfairness towards Swami.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4691238 - 09/21/05 07:06 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

I think Swami got what he had coming after messing up Trendal's experiment.

I also have to note that just a few days ago I was called: "moron, mutherfucker (sic), asshole, fucking retard, pathetic wretch, fuckstick", then I was told to "fuckoff". All this from one S&P member in one thread over about three days.

It sucked putting up with that and Swami routinely gets worse, even being called an asshole by a MOD a few weeks ago.

So, what's up with that? Skeptics are subject to disciplinary action, but everyone else gets away with murder?


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4691255 - 09/21/05 07:10 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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I have never seen Veritas make mean faces or be so negative and judgmental before. How does the poison of negativity taste Veritas? Feel it pulsing through your veins now? What is it doing for all of the being in joy and pleasure you preach about?




I dislike injustice and prejudice. That has nothing to do with my being negative. We just talked about this on another thread, Jiggy. Is it negative or dogmatic to stand up for your ideals?

I believe the rules should apply to everyone or no one.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: Diploid]
    #4691265 - 09/21/05 07:13 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Links please? so that we may judge it in context?

Also, i think everyone here has been flamed with no consequences coming to the flamer (lol). There are what? 5000 posts a day in this forum, and 5 mods? they arent omnipotent, nor omnipresent.

I have even gotten into it with a MOD, where we both voiced our dislikes for each other. Now i cant even remember which one it was, but I have to say that that Mod never abused his powers to screw me over.


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Re: Unjust Mods? or digital martyr? [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4691270 - 09/21/05 07:15 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
Also, i think everyone here has been flamed with no consequences coming to the flamer (lol). There are what? 5000 posts a day in this forum, and 5 mods? they arent omnipotent, nor omnipresent.



Yet they're present enough to nitpick at Swami's posts while ignoring the many times that he gets flamed.


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