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The Pack Poll: Internal or External
    #4690720 - 09/21/05 05:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

It seems these days more and more people are switching over to internal frames, so I decided to take a poll on what kind of backpack people here are using. I myself use a Remington external frame and dont see myself needing another backpack anytime soon. What I like about externals is how i never seem to run out of room, I can strap or lash about anything onto the frame. It also distributes the weight to my hips very well and lets my back breathe. Having never used an internal I wonder what makes interals so appealing to people?
Which type of pack do you use?
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External Frame (i'm old school)
Internal Frame (i'm hip and they look cooler)


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: vivid]
    #4690770 - 09/21/05 05:25 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

internal, they also allow better balance and movement if skiing or snowshoeing, climbing etc


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: vivid]
    #4695187 - 09/22/05 02:57 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Internal.. it's the only type of pack I've ever owned.
I have used external frames in the past.. but I prefer the internal.. more comfortable.
What oDin said.. they allow better balance and easier movement. Plus they are usually lighter. My only regret is not getting an internal frame pack with a lot of lashing options on the outside. I can fit everything and then some inside my pack.. but when I want to strap a wet tent or something to the outside it's slightly difficult because there isn't a lot of hoops and stuff to attach things to.


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: oDin]
    #4696054 - 09/22/05 06:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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internal, they also allow better balance and movement if skiing or snowshoeing, climbing etc



What he said


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: vivid]
    #4697013 - 09/22/05 09:22 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You hit the nail on the head for the advantages to an external frame.

I prefer internal frame packs because they take up less room and as they evolve, they do offer more breathability and external loops to tie things to.


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: vivid]
    #4701406 - 09/23/05 06:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I use external.  Backpacking aint backpacking unless you hear the sounds of clanking pans and canteens :smile:


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: Cherk]
    #4743955 - 10/02/05 03:38 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Smoker For Peace said:
I use external.  Backpacking aint backpacking unless you hear the sounds of clanking pans and canteens :smile:




werd!




I can see where it would come in handy if i was mountaineering.  I'll probably end up getting an internal when i do that, in the meantime i'll stick to my external.  I dont know what packs you guys are using but my external has alot more breathability than any internal, theres a half inch gap of air between the mesh on my back and the pack and its as light as any of my friends internals. :p

someday i'll have to break down tho


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: vivid]
    #4745221 - 10/02/05 02:36 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I am on my second backpack, both being internal frames.  My new one is a Gregory Elite (I think hehe I don't care as long as it works).  It is made for women, and has the gap between my back and the pack for airiness.  I also have the option to cinch it up so it is close to me when I am "bushwhacking", which happens often enough with oDin  :grin:  I wouldn't want to get hung up in a tree.

I had a Taiga brand before, and it was just fine.  Now that I have put on a Gregory, I can see the difference in 10 years of updated technology.  I put the thing on, and haven't had to adjust it, unless the bushwhacking or bouldering has come into play. 

I have to say that for a woman, the female oriented packs are nice, due to the shortened height and width, and weight distribution.  I bought and Osprey, but this was for more "petite" women, and I became the structure of the pack.  Good thing I bought it at REI, as they gave me full refund towards the purchase of my  :heart: Gregory! 

Doesn't matter what you wear as long as it works for you.  Just keep an open mind, as sometimes the new stuff is better.  Function not fashion as I always say!  :laugh:


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: annielicious]
    #4745248 - 10/02/05 02:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Glad to hear that the Gregory pack is working out for you Annie. I sure love mine! Mine is the 'Shasta' model (in red, Its about 8 years old and they don't make that model in red anymore). It has tons of versatility. I can strip it down to basics for streamlined/lightweight trips or I can put on all the extra external pockets and strap tons of stuff on the outside (it has plenty of external mounting points) for heavy loads on long excursions. I've had this pack weighing in at about 60lbs and still carried it comfortably.

IMO, Gregory packs are the best you can get for the money.


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #4745305 - 10/02/05 03:21 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

annie has a gregory electra not elite fyi


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: oDin]
    #4755724 - 10/04/05 09:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I had a huge ten year old internal Kelty, that i just traded in for a smaller North Face Terra 50.

Its like night and day, wish i would of traded it in five years ago!!

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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: kindkesey]
    #4768547 - 10/07/05 12:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I think I'm gonna break down and get a internal frame next paycheck. I'm kinda going through all my equipment and updating. For longer trips I'll probably stick to the external for the extra lashing options, but I'm also putting together a UL setup. I've been looking at the GoLite Jam Pack, talk about minimalist! 1lb7oz for 2500ci! kinda lacking in bells and whistles, but hey, so are UL packers.


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: vivid]
    #4769109 - 10/07/05 02:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I've heard good things about GoLite from UL hikers.. you gotta be careful with them though.. they aren't all that durable. A lot of people swear on the Granite Gear Nimbus Ozone for UL hiking. http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductD...gory_rn=4500572

It weighs 3 lbs.. but holds 3,800 c.i.

The Nimbus Latitude looks pretty sweet too

http://www.rei.com/online/store/ProductD...gory_rn=4500574

But again.. same deal. Gotta take extra special care of UL equipment. The pack is made of mostly sil-nylon.


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: Shroomism]
    #4769752 - 10/07/05 04:59 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

nothing wrong with a little weight to work those leg muscles :wink:


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: oDin]
    #4770067 - 10/07/05 06:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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nothing wrong with a little weight to work those leg muscles :wink:



Heh.  My attitude also. :smile:

Besides, I like to have all my little extras when I do long trips.  I don't see why I should do without my luxuries when its all about having fun to me.  And I can carry a lot of extras when I'm willing to trudge around with 50lbs on my back!


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: oDin]
    #4775364 - 10/09/05 02:32 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I don't mind carrying a load.. I am young after all.
I just don't like hauling rediculous weight around.. but I'm no ultralighter.. my pack probably weighs 40 or 50 pounds fully equipped and with food and water. I've never weighed it though, so I don't know for sure.. but it feels pretty heavy. An ultralighter would probably freak out if they did a "pack check" or whatever on me. They only carry the lightest, most minimal amount of shit needed for survival. I carry fully equipped first aids kits with lots of extra shit in it, little tinctures of herbs, a little wooden frog to make percussive sounds with, a 200 page color book on medicinal plants and herbs.. you get the idea :wink:

It just sucks when you have back pains at 23. But maybe I'm just being a pussy :wink:


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: Shroomism]
    #4782827 - 10/10/05 04:11 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

yeah dont get me wrong either.. I usually carry as heavy a pack as my friends, I more interrested in getting set up with something for fastpacking to try it out.  Part of what I like about backpacking is the minimalist mentality; learning how to live and have fun with the least amount of crutches to rely on.  Thanks for the tips about the GoLite packs, I've heard similar things up here... I've got a few things on the list before i get a new pack.  Like a pump stove and a thermarest :laugh:


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: vivid]
    #5075892 - 12/17/05 07:11 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

I had a job packing big loads of food up a 2500 foot climb. And they insisted that we use external frame packs, because when you are hunched over on a steep climb, it is better to have the weight higher up and off of your shoulders.

I completely disagreed. After a few trips with an external frame I started using my internal and never went back. I really think internal makes it a lot easier on your body.


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: vivid]
    #5111657 - 12/27/05 05:07 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I'm actually looking in to getting a good backpack, as I just have a cheap crummy one right now. The kind that will get me through a few days of camping in the summer, but I'd hate to take it on a serious trip. My husband has an awesome external frame, but I have been frustrated by the lack of selection when it comes to "good" external frame packs. Any advice or experience on finding a good external (or internal for that matter) pack would be greatly appreciated :smile:


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Re: The Pack Poll: Internal or External [Re: vivid]
    #5127992 - 01/01/06 03:06 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

internal.

back in scouting i spent years lugging this heavy as fuck external frame pack up and over the adirondacks. empty the thing had to weigh between 8-10lbs. i served my time.
the only thing i don't like about the internal i have is there is no separate sleeping bag container at the bottom like most have these days. the one i have now is from l.l.bean from ten years ago. i suffer with its inadequacies because it is the most waterproof pack i have ever seen. i discovered once after a weekend in indian pass during the rain season that the pack will hold water. (indian pass is a 20 or so mile ravine in the adirondacks which fills with grossness for hiking through.) anyways, while washing the mud off the pack with the hose i noticed the water wasn't leaking out, so I filled the pack completely full and left it overnight. didn't leak a drop. i have had my pack full of gear completely submerged under water without getting anything wet.


side note: the only other things i own from bean are my wallet, and a pair of slippers... although their gear is plenty functional, it is way overpriced.


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