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Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill
    #4689563 - 09/21/05 11:15 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The anti-gun sissies :smirk: are at it again

From my cold dead hands!!!!  BLAM!!  BLAM!!



Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill

By AMY F. BAILEY, Associated Press Writer

LANSING, Mich. - Earlier this year, gun control advocates failed to block a Florida bill allowing people to use deadly force in the street to defend themselves. The advocates vow not to let that happen in Michigan.

The battle in Michigan over the so-called deadly force legislation is important for both sides in the gun debate. It could open the doors to similar laws across the country ? a top priority for the National Rifle Association ? or stop the effort in its tracks.

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence and the Million Mom March are sending out news releases criticizing the legislation and are calling lawmakers in an attempt to keep the bills from getting out of the House Judiciary Committee.

"This is a byproduct of having missed the boat in Florida," said Peter Hamm, director of communications for the Washington-based Brady Campaign. "We have been watching like a hawk for this to surface in other states."

The Michigan legislation would eliminate the requirement that people being attacked must retreat before responding with deadly force. It would allow people who feel threatened, even in a public area, to "meet force with force" and defend themselves without facing criminal or civil prosecution.

State Reps. Tom Casperson and Rick Jones, both Republicans, introduced the bills. They said that although it would be unlikely for a crime victim to face criminal charges for killing someone in self-defense, a law is needed to guarantee it.

"Our intent is to protect crime victims who are in imminent danger of losing their lives," said Jones, a former Eaton County sheriff. "This does not put more guns on the street. This will not create the OK Corral."

The law is identical to the Florida measure, which allows people who feel threatened anywhere ? on the street or even in public places such as a bar ? to defend themselves with deadly force.

Without the threat of prosecution, some of the thousands of Michigan residents carrying concealed weapons may be more likely to use them, said Sarah Brady, chairwoman of the Brady Campaign.

The group is named for her and her husband, Jim, who as President Reagan's press secretary was shot and severely injured during a 1981 assassination attempt.

"There are a lot more guns on the street and then you're going to get the right to use them willy-nilly? That doesn't bode real well," Brady said during a telephone interview.

If it passes, Michigan would be the second state with such a measure. A similar bill has been introduced in Alabama, but lawmakers in that state are not scheduled to meet again until January 2006.

The legislation may win approval in the House and Senate, where half of each chamber was recently endorsed by the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, a statewide gun rights advocacy group.

It is unclear whether Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm would sign the legislation if it reached her desk. Spokeswoman Heidi Hansen said the administration is reviewing the two-bill measure.

Gun control activists in Michigan are calling their lawmakers and sending them postcards and e-mails to explain their opposition, said Shikha Hamilton, head of the state's Million Mom March chapter.

"The scariest part is that you're removing the duty to retreat. That's really there to preserve life," said Hamilton. "And if you take someone's life you should have to answer to the police. ... No one is in jail right now for protecting their family."

This year, the Brady Campaign gave Michigan a grade of "D-plus" for not requiring background checks at gun shows, not holding adults responsible for leaving loaded guns around children, and having no safety standards to limit Saturday night specials. Some 111,600 concealed weapon permits were issued in Michigan since 2001.

Rep. William Van Regenmorter, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and known as a strong supporter of victims' rights, said he is considering the legislation.

"I think there's a fundamental right to protect oneself," Van Regenmorter said. "But I want to know what the practical implications are, and there are probably quite a few."


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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4689565 - 09/21/05 11:19 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I don't feel that I should need the government's approval to defend myself with whatever force is necessary.


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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: Redstorm]
    #4689580 - 09/21/05 11:27 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Yup.  Soccer moms and their SUV's have killed more people than my guns.  When your group is made up mainly of middle aged moms, guess what, don't noone be give a FUCK ! :wink:


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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4689603 - 09/21/05 11:38 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Not to worry the Dems will be back in soon and they'll take our guns away again. Then we can all go back to our passive sheep lives.


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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: Androctonus]
    #4689624 - 09/21/05 11:46 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

That truly is scary. I hope those neo-socialists never get in power again. If they do, they'll have a huge chip on their shoulder.


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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4689649 - 09/21/05 11:53 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I live in MI, so this is of particular importance to me.


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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: Redstorm]
    #4689733 - 09/21/05 12:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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I live in MI, so this is of particular importance to me.




Chomping at the bit to blow someone away, eh?  Me too.

These anti-gun whiners will never understand us real men.

:machinegun:


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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4689920 - 09/21/05 01:28 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think it has to do with 'whiners' vs 'real men'

It's an issue of principle..

do you buy into the FUD spewed by the anti-gun lobby
or do you buy into the countless social and scientific
experiments that prove that personal gun ownership and
conceal permits save lives and cut crime?


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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4689934 - 09/21/05 01:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

So some drunk asshole in a bar in Florida starts with them fightin words, I can legally blow his brains out on the spot? Wow. :shocked:


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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: Irradiated_Feces]
    #4689942 - 09/21/05 01:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

No. If some drunk asshole comes into your home you don't have to attempt to run away before solving the problem.


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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: daimyo]
    #4689975 - 09/21/05 01:47 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.thewmurchannel.com/news/4982143/detail.html

ROCHESTER, N.H. -- Neighbors say there were break-ins or attempted break-ins at several homes in the quiet neighborhood where a Fremont man was fatally shot early Thursday.

The Attorney General's Office identified the victim as Bryan Gaedtke, 21, whose body was removed from the home of Geoff and Jocelynn Hamann, who live in the single-family house with their two young children. Geoff Hamann declined to comment Thursday.

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Dawn Leonard, a neighbor, said Hamman is an ex-Marine. A bumper sticker on a pickup truck in his driveway said, "Gun control means using both hands."

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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: Lazlow]
    #4690012 - 09/21/05 01:58 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The death of home intruders brings more joy to my heart than most things. Justice at it's finest.


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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: Lazlow]
    #4690091 - 09/21/05 02:13 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

nice


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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: Lazlow]
    #4690204 - 09/21/05 02:45 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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Dawn Leonard, a neighbor, said Hamman is an ex-Marine. A bumper sticker on a pickup truck in his driveway said, "Gun control means using both hands."




Gun Control also means hitting your target.

Don't fuck with me.
Let's see how far you get.

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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4692567 - 09/21/05 11:38 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Charlton Heston for pres.
Ted Nugent for vice. :winner:


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Re: Gun Control Groups Take Aim at Mich. Bill [Re: Redstorm]
    #4693083 - 09/22/05 01:01 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't feel that I should need the government's approval to defend myself with whatever force is necessary.



Amen. If someone threatens my safety or the safety of anyone else I will respond with whatever means are necessary. The law be damned.


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