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InvisibleIcelander
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Setting free
    #4689447 - 09/21/05 10:17 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I choose not to regret the events of my life. I do acknowledge though the losses. Fear, shame and guilt have taken a tremendous toll of my energy for much of my life. Unwilling to confront these three demons, I have missed out on much of the adventure and joy of being on this planet in this human form. The cynical, bitter, philosophy's of my past and present are the outcome of personal bitterness about myself and my unwillingness to confront these demons.

Do you want self respect, joy, energy , love, life. IMO these three demons stand at the door to your freedom. IMO most people never are content or joyful because they are unwilling to pay the price of doing battle. The power of Fear is overwhelming, The power of Shame causes us to lie and hide ourselves. The power of Guilt keeps us in a prison for life even if the door is open.

What do you think?


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Re: Setting free [Re: Icelander]
    #4689645 - 09/21/05 11:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Poignant topic for me right now.  I've been living with the thought of try to neutralize these three things for quite a few months after becoming aware of them and how they've affected my life and continue to do so.

You're right on all three counts as it pertains to me.  Fear being the biggest factor for sure.  I have recognized these things in my life, but am so afraid that it is paralyzing me.  I know that I need to deal with some shame or guilt that resides in me because I feel it every day, but I'm really afraid to confront them.  So much so that I've convinced myself that I don't know how to take the first step.  Thus I feel paralyzed.  :thumbdown:

I try every day to find the magic pill that will show me the direction, but so far I just have many more books than I used to and quite a nice stash of homegrown Mushrooms that I am now afraid to use! :lol:


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Terence McKenna


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Re: Setting free [Re: Icelander]
    #4689654 - 09/21/05 11:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"Our deepest fears are like dragons guarding our deepest treasure."

-Rainer Maria Rilke


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Re: Setting free [Re: Veritas]
    #4689658 - 09/21/05 11:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

yup!


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"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna


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Re: Setting free [Re: VirgilKane]
    #4689674 - 09/21/05 12:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

schapper said:
Poignant topic for me right now.  I've been living with the thought of try to neutralize these three things for quite a few months after becoming aware of them and how they've affected my life and continue to do so.

You're right on all three counts as it pertains to me.  Fear being the biggest factor for sure.  I have recognized these things in my life, but am so afraid that it is paralyzing me.  I know that I need to deal with some shame or guilt that resides in me because I feel it every day, but I'm really afraid to confront them.  So much so that I've convinced myself that I don't know how to take the first step.  Thus I feel paralyzed.  :thumbdown:

I try every day to find the magic pill that will show me the direction, but so far I just have many more books than I used to and quite a nice stash of homegrown Mushrooms that I am now afraid to use! :lol:




Great post. Thank you for sharing your truth. I support you totally in your efforts brother. I know how challenging it is. It's also the only really worthwhile thing I have ever found to do in my life.  :thumbup: 5 4 U! :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2: :mushroom2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


Edited by Icelander (09/21/05 12:08 PM)


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Re: Setting free [Re: Icelander]
    #4689813 - 09/21/05 12:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I really feel that I know how worthwhile it is because it seems like the only thing that's important to me right now.  Maybe that's the problem...

"Sometimes to keep it together, you gotta leave it alone." 

The Eagle's said that, maybe I should listen.  :confused:


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"Religion is a defense against a religious experience"
              Carl G. Jung

 
"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna


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Re: Setting free [Re: VirgilKane]
    #4689834 - 09/21/05 12:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Great song!

Well baby, there you stand
With your little head, down in your hand
Oh, my God, you can't believe it's happening
again
Your baby's gone, and you're all alone
and it looks like the end.

And you're back out on the street.
And you're tryin' to remember.
How will you start it over?
You don't know what became.
You don't care much for a stranger's touch,
But you can't hold your man.

You never thought you'd be alone this far
down the line
And I know what's been on your mind
You're afraid it's all been wasted time

The autumn leaves have got you thinking
about the first time that you fell
You didn't love the boy too much, no, no
you just loved the boy to well, Farewell
So you live from day to day, and you dream
about tomorrow, oh.
And the hours go by like minutes
and the shadows come to stay
So you take a little something to
make them go away
And I could have done so many things, baby
If I could only stop my mind from wondrin' what
I left behind and from worrying 'bout this wasted time

Ooh, another love has come and gone
Ooh, and the years keep rushing on
I remember what you told me before you went out on your own:
"Sometimes to keep it together, we got to leave it alone."
So you can get on with your search, baby, and I can
get on with mine
And maybe someday we will find, that it wasn't really
wasted time


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Re: Setting free [Re: VirgilKane]
    #4689843 - 09/21/05 01:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

you don't need to differentiate yourself anymore (i.e. you and we already know just how different you are and have been)

and for what comes up from now on, relax.

pleasure is fine - necessary even.
shame is certainly worth looking at when it arises, but not worth chewing on stale memories to discover it.

and to re-iterate you don't need to explain anything unless you really really want to.


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Re: Setting free [Re: Veritas]
    #4689856 - 09/21/05 01:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Great taste!

Yeah that one got worn out after breaking up with my first Love in college! :rotfl:


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"Religion is a defense against a religious experience"
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"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna


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Re: Setting free [Re: VirgilKane]
    #4689867 - 09/21/05 01:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

schapper said:
I really feel that I know how worthwhile it is because it seems like the only thing that's important to me right now.  Maybe that's the problem...

"Sometimes to keep it together, you gotta leave it alone." 

The Eagle's said that, maybe I should listen.  :confused:




I play that song on keyboards and Veritas and I sing it together. :cool:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Setting free [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4689918 - 09/21/05 01:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

This totally blows my conceptions about this out of the water. I've always been under the impression that if I reach back far enough, I'll find some seed that was planted that has made me this way. I've tried, but have always come up empty.


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Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense...

"Religion is a defense against a religious experience"
              Carl G. Jung

 
"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna


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Re: Setting free [Re: VirgilKane]
    #4689978 - 09/21/05 01:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

things are most meaningful when they happen (together), the rest is just a gathering of clues, or of corroborating evidence for your inner court.
personally, I advise keeping the children out of court.


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Re: Setting free [Re: VirgilKane]
    #4689983 - 09/21/05 01:50 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You would have to reach back far beyond your lifetime, along the chain of human consciousness to the first moment we were able to consider our own actions/thoughts.  These fears seem to be part of the package we Homo sapiens sapiens (thinking thinking) signed up for. :grin:

I agree with RGV, relax and surrender to the experience.  The dragons might just curl up and go to sleep for a while, entertaining you with their musical snoring.  :wink:


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Re: Setting free [Re: Icelander]
    #4690034 - 09/21/05 02:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If you bring forth that which is within you,
Then that which is within you
Will be your salvation.
If you do not bring forth that which is within you,
Then that which is within you
Will destroy you.

--from the Gnostic Gospels

Great thread!  :thumbup:

I agree, that most people in western civilization live their lives in quiet desperation. :bomb: Nobody wants to acknowledge that something is "wrong" with him/her. Fear, shame, guilt, sadness, etc. are all suppressed using addictive behaviors like drinking, drugs abuse, excessive eating, excessive working out, excessive sex or masturbation, constant intellectualization, daily games of power and drama :backstab:, etc.

We build our entire lives so can get comfortably numb and don't have to face our anxieties. And that's okay for most of people. They are happily sedated and when something happens that will start to break their shell :sick: (divorce, job loss, death in the family, illness etc.) then they may either see the day of light and start working on their issues or instead turn on the volume on their addictive behavior until the next crisis hits them. 

I guess all this is the nature of human beings. We prefer to live with our small anxieties and depressions and just pop a pill or get drunk when things might get a bit rough. Now with all that in mind, I think true crisis is really a blessing in disguise. We can no longer hide. We must face the crisis and our demons. We resolve and incorporate the ghosts and finish what was probably started generations ago. There truly is no other task in our entire lives, which is more worthwhile :beatup:

Spiritus Sanctum!


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Re: Setting free [Re: redtailedhawk]
    #4690116 - 09/21/05 02:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Amen!


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Re: Setting free [Re: Icelander]
    #4691569 - 09/21/05 08:24 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

couldnt agree with you more icelander. sounds like me and you are in a similar mental place right now. Im beginning to recognize fear, shame and guilt as absolutely useless and vampiric emotions who only drain energy. indulging in them is just that, an indulgence, not a virtue. Feeling guilty is pointless. if you feel you have done wrong, invest all your energy into doing right in the future rather than squandering it on that useless emotion.


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