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Wood powered cars.
    #4688675 - 09/21/05 01:53 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Some of you may be surprised to know tha this is not new technology The technology has been around since before WWII, during which it was relatively common.

Some more recent government research (by FEMA) has resulted in the design of a pretty simple, cheap system.


http://www.gengas.nu/byggbes/index.shtml



Even grasses can be used for fuel. Phalaris arundinacea is an excellent fuel candidate.

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Re: Wood powered cars. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4689672 - 09/21/05 12:07 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

That's a very clever invention, but what a heck ? Aren't we trying to save the forest ?
Grass as a fuel is good though ...

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Re: Wood powered cars. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4689875 - 09/21/05 01:10 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

if grass can work, how about hemp?


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Re: Wood powered cars. [Re: Vvellum]
    #4689909 - 09/21/05 01:23 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

nice one. hemp fuel would rock both in its fuel capability and economic impact


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Re: Wood powered cars. [Re: vampirism]
    #4690052 - 09/21/05 02:06 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Yet not compatable with an economy that revolves around oil.

The people with the power won't allow any other fuels until there is no oil or no system.

Besides like the system would ever endorse a relative of a mind expanding drug. "We couldn't possibly have the people questioning things or they'd realise that the system is corrupt to the core"


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Re: Wood powered cars. [Re: MAIA]
    #4690368 - 09/21/05 03:29 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Our forests are choking with shrubby undergrowth. That is not a healthy forest. There is plenty of excess cellulose that we could harvest from our forests, and they would be better off for it.

Forests aren't something you can just leave alone and they will take care of themselves anymore. We have been putting out forest fires that are a natural part of the ecosystem. If we are not going to let it burn, then we need to harvest the excess biomass. As it is right now, most forest areas are not physically capable of a healthy burn right now, only catastrophic fires that sterilize the ground, and kill off almost every plant, animal, and fungus in the whole forest.


There's also plenty of waste wood chips and sawdust that local, state, and federal government, as well as private businesses haul off and dump every year.


You know, the sector of the global ecosystem that would be impacted the most negatively by widespread consumption of cellulosic garbage would probably be the fungi. That is what our main competitor would be if cellulose became a staple of our energy budget.


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Re: Wood powered cars. [Re: Vvellum]
    #4690400 - 09/21/05 03:39 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Hemp would work well, better even than as an oil producer.


Also, Phalaris grass is already a widely favored fuel grass candidate. With Phalaris you're likely to wind up with a psychedelic residue of DMT building up in your fuel filter.

Oh no!!  :cop: :mantis: :monopoly: :hypnotoad:


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Re: Wood powered cars. [Re: Ego Death]
    #4690463 - 09/21/05 03:56 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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danoEoboy said:
The people with the power won't allow any other fuels until there is no oil or no system.






They haven't been able to do much to stop the increasing popularity of wood pellet stoves.

Nobody is likely to invest billions promoting or developing the technology though. It will have to get by on it's own merits, curious tinkerers, entrepreneurs, and early adopters.


"The People" are going to have to make this one happen, because "The Machine" just isn't all that interested.


"The Machine" wants us to all use Hydrogen because Hydrogen is good for big business. Big business has nothing to gain from a booming cellulose fuel industry.

Mostly small local businesses would profit from that. Large companies would suffer loss of market share.


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Re: Wood powered cars. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4690739 - 09/21/05 05:17 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Willie Nelson and Gatewood Galbraith drove around in a hempseed oil fueled car when Gatewood was running for governor of Kentucky.

Shortly afterward, Willie was audited and boned hard by the IRS.


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Re: Wood powered cars. [Re: ivi]
    #4691269 - 09/21/05 07:14 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

That article was about biodiesel. That's what most people are talking about when they talk about hemp for fuel; turning hemp seed oil into diesel fuel.

Any vegtable oil, or animal fat will work.

Far more of the energy in a hemp plant (or corn, or soybean) is in cellulose than in fats.


You can even turn shit into biodiesel.

cals.ncsu.edu/waste_mgt/pdf


Soldier fly biodiesel, like all animal fat biodiesel, is a warm weather fuel. Below like, 40'F, it starts to congeal.


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Re: Wood powered cars. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4693792 - 09/22/05 03:56 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

i found this while reading about what to do with the glycerin i will have as waste when i start making bio-diesel in a few months
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Other ideas for disposing of the glycerine are breaking it down to usable methane gas, with a methane digester or, for a much wilder idea, it could be broken down with pyrolisis. Pyrolisis was used extensively to run cars on firewood in oil-scarce Europe and elsewhere during World War 2. The processor has a heat source that heats the fuel (wood or glycerine) in an airtight box without oxygen. This allows the fuel to release its methane while not allowing it to burn. The methane is trapped in an inflatable storage container or compressed into a tank. This is an area of biodiesel development that warrants further work.




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Re: Wood powered cars. [Re: automan]
    #4694987 - 09/22/05 02:05 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Sell to Iraq for nitroglycerine manufacture


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Re: Wood powered cars. [Re: Ego Death]
    #4700356 - 09/23/05 02:01 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

You could run your car on nitroglycerine.


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Re: Wood powered cars. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4701380 - 09/23/05 06:06 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I've recently read a news article about grass being a great source of energy. Certain kinds of grass that grew faster, bigger and had less nutrient demand were preferred. They mentioned that not only would this source of fuel provide a fairly high yield of energy per acre, but it would also fix a lot of the CO2 in our atmosphere and act as a carbon sink.

Of course once you fix it eventually you'll burn it and return it to the atmosphere again, but the benefit of this method versus fossil fuels is that it'd be a self sustaining process. Meaning as we burn it more would be being fixed in other grass fields. Whereas the burning of fossil fuels involves continuously digging up prehistoric carbon sinks and returning them to the atmosphere. The burning of fossil fuels sends up more green house gasses than the enviroment can readily fix. Although the enviroment still does a remarkable job of cleaning our air.


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