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Eugenics
    #4681320 - 09/19/05 11:53 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What are your thoughts on eugenics? Good? Bad? Keep it limited? Enact policy upon entire world? What traits to breed for? What to eliminate?


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Re: Eugenics [Re: daimyo] * 1
    #4681358 - 09/19/05 12:09 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Eugenics occurs naturally. :grin:

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Re: Eugenics [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4681369 - 09/19/05 12:14 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Eugenics occurs naturally. :grin:



My thoughts exactly.  Natural selection will occur on its own without us meddling with it.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: daimyo]
    #4681374 - 09/19/05 12:15 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It is easy to observe many sharply delineated racial distinctions in groups around the world: gorgeous somalis, divine thais, husky whites, long legged watussis; and imagine racial cleansing back 1000 years or so to impose the standard in the groups.

Imagine that what deviated from a local idea of beauty was demoralized deported or destroyed, and what corresponded to acceptible was intensely inbred - mostly in the local king's bed if he could get it up enough.

this surely happened. back then, the scope of it was narrow, and the eventual impact is now lessened due to healthy crossbreeding between groups. We should not start eugenics again - the scope of such actions now would be global, and much more horrible, and much more final.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4681450 - 09/19/05 12:46 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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We should not start eugenics again - the scope of such actions now would be global, and much more horrible, and much more final.




We never stopped eugenics. Are you selective of who you breed with, and do you control that? :smirk:

You might not be thinking "Oh yeah, this section of her DNA will really mesh well with this section of mine", but the effect is the same. :grin:

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Re: Eugenics [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4681461 - 09/19/05 12:50 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

any cute thing that will spend the right kind of time in bed with you is not eugenics.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: daimyo]
    #4681463 - 09/19/05 12:51 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Eugenic is worse shit.
You say, nature takes care of eugenics itself, but what is, if we take the rules of nature out (modern medicine) ?
We have moved into a dilemma.
Man is not ready for taking over natures role over death and live. SO for me, the singlest decision over someones live or death should be made by the individuum itself. But even him, does not know everything to be sure about his decision.

Even the question "What is in relation, to keep someones life ?" brings us deeper into that dilemma.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4682692 - 09/19/05 06:04 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Hopefully, Eugenics will be replaced by gene therapy.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #4682819 - 09/19/05 06:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

it should be practiced on an individual level.

if you do not like the genes that you have and feel that you would rather not give a new life those genes when instead you could adopt a life and give it a better chance.... then do that.

but genetic engineering? Nazi-experiments? No... just fuck and see what comes out 9 months later... but don't do it if you have diseases that you don't want to pass on.

For example I'm not sure if I'd want to reproduce because i have allergies and bad vision, and I say why the hell not fill society up with healthier people? I don't believe in the whole "potential" life thing... I think "souls" if you will just kind of latch onto newly forming children at random, so it's not like you're murdering someone by not having a child....

but then again.... what if someone's karma would only allow them to be your child, assuming they would be born defunct and lets say mentally handicapped... and if you decided not to have a child they would have to be an animal? Hmm... who knows, they could just wait longer for a suitable human vessle perhaps.

anyway................. my philosophies on eugenics stem from a kind of Buddhist approach to life, meaning it doesn't matter if you reproduce or not, it won't affect things in the long run [since everyone else will reproduce any way], so it's your choice as to whether you think your genes should carry or on dwindle down.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: daimyo]
    #4683422 - 09/19/05 09:06 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Eugenics is the future of humanity. It can seen as good or bad by anyone, but as a tool it is invaluable.

Of course, I wouldn't espouse the old, failed methods of improving hereditary traits through selective breeding. Rather, we should heavily invest in genetic engineering to improve tomorrow's breed of humans.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: Ravus]
    #4683434 - 09/19/05 09:09 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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we should heavily invest in genetic engineering to improve tomorrow's breed of humans




I've got a dollar. :smile:


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Re: Eugenics [Re: Ravus]
    #4683446 - 09/19/05 09:12 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What traits would you like to see in more people? Which would you like to see less of?


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Re: Eugenics [Re: daimyo]
    #4683468 - 09/19/05 09:18 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think it's so much about what you'd like to see in more people as how much smarter or creative or blonder will a little DNA tweaking make your newborn baby.

This is going to start happening soon. It already does in the sense that tests for serious genetic defects already exist and are being used to justify abortions.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: daimyo]
    #4683484 - 09/19/05 09:22 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

We should genetically engineer out any genetically-induced diseases or flaws, such as Huntington's disease or baldness, as well as making sure no Down syndrome or other damaged sperm ever infect an egg. We should increase the potential for high intelligences and physical capacities among humans, along with genetically engineering it so that we can effectively eliminate the need for glasses, contacts or laser-surgery by giving people as perfect eyesight as we can offer. If possible, we should heighten all the senses.

Of course, we may currently lack the technology to efficiently do some of these, but humanity is advancing fast, and we can afford the next generation much better bodies, minds and senses than we currently could hope for without genetic engineering. After we take these simple measures, we can work on creating superhuman immune system, brain and body capacities.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: Ravus]
    #4683493 - 09/19/05 09:24 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Don't forget perfect tits. No more nasty silicone.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: Icelander]
    #4683522 - 09/19/05 09:30 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I guess you could say that's part of physical capacities? :wink:

They do have a purpose after all.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: Ravus]
    #4683546 - 09/19/05 09:36 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I have a whole list of requests that will perfect the hairless ape. :wink:


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Re: Eugenics [Re: daimyo]
    #4683753 - 09/19/05 10:18 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

My genetics professor was talking about eugenics today in class. I don't have a strong opinion about it because it's one of those issues with strong arguments on both sides. Too many years on the debate club severely affected my side taking ability.  :grin: But some good has come from it I think. He mentioned in particular the decreased occurrence of Tay Sachs disease in the Eastern European Jewish population.


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Re: Eugenics [Re: daimyo]
    #4683920 - 09/19/05 10:49 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

personally, without much deep thought or knowledge, i think we should use eugenics to engineer healthier, higher functioning humans who live longer etc... as long as it was safe and properly researched. seriously.
transhumanism. concious evolution...  :thumbup:


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Re: Eugenics [Re: Moonshoe]
    #4684656 - 09/20/05 01:02 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Ravus said:
We should genetically engineer out any genetically-induced diseases or flaws, such as Huntington's disease or baldness, as well as making sure no Down syndrome or other damaged sperm ever infect an egg. We should increase the potential for high intelligences and physical capacities among humans, along with genetically engineering it so that we can effectively eliminate the need for glasses, contacts or laser-surgery by giving people as perfect eyesight as we can offer. If possible, we should heighten all the senses.




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personally, without much deep thought or knowledge, i think we should use eugenics to engineer healthier, higher functioning humans who live longer etc... as long as it was safe and properly researched. seriously.
transhumanism. concious evolution...  :thumbup:




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