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Acid...first time.
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Ok trippers, listen.
I?ve never tried any drug besides alcohol. Not even weed.
Well, I lately am very interested in LSD. It seems awesome what I?ve heard.

So, I have some questions:
1.Is it ok to do acid if I haven?t tried weed yet?

2.Can people tell you?re on acid?

3.How do I know the future of my trip? How can I know if I will have a bad or a good trip?

4.Going to question #2, if pple DO tell you?re on acid, then where do you guys think I can trip safely without my parents killing me?

5.Settings?

6. Can good videogame music qualify as "good trip" music? Or do you want me to play real life music like The Beatles(lucy in the sky with diamonds)?

Thanks.

And a few more personal questions for the pros....

1.LSD or shrooms?

2.Marijuana or LSD?

Again, thankyou.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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1.Yes, not everybody likes weed...

2.Generally, you will act very odd and your eyes will be huge

3.If you know you will have a good trip, you will have a good trip. Bad trips are caused by negative thoughts. Make sure you are worry free when you trip.

4.Somewhere where nobody will bother you...

5.Some place comfortable, it's always good to have control of your enviroment when you are tripping.

6. All music can be good trip music... it just depends on your flavor


And a few more personal questions for the pros....

1.Personal preference. Many people find shrooms to be less edgy...

2.Personal preference. Some people have issues with weed, such as paranioa. Acid fucks you up for at least 4 hours and is 100x more intense than weed. Weed is relaxing and general you stay high for a couple of hours. The two are quite different...

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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And be prepared to enter a world stranger than you have ever imagined...

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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1. as stated, personal preference
2. they may be able to tell by the way you're acting. you're pupils get huge and you look a little out there, but physically i think its pretty hard to tell. your uncontrollable laughing and edgy voice will give you up, if anything does.
3. theres no way to really know, but to increase your chances of having a good one, be around people you know and trust. be away from any worries of getting busted, having responsibility, etc.
4. you can trip safely anywhere, as long as you're not flipping out and being obvious that you're tripping hard. basically, as long as you're not having a bad, scary trip, or just tripping so hard that you cant tell whats real and what isnt, you can trip around others (parents not reccomended until you get more experienced). i have a blast tripping around my parents, and seeing how odd and ironic everyday life is at home.
5. around people you trust, away from responsibility. concerts, festivals, friends houses, camping... all good opportunitie to trip.
6. the musics all up to you. i personally like the beatles, hendrix, pink floyd, etc. when tripping. techno can also be cool sometimes. it personal preference.
1. personal choice. different trips. you cant really tell until youve tried each.
2. most people start off with pot. doesnt mean you should. they are 2 completely different drugs.

and its not as intense as smack makes it sound in his second post. you'll have a blast tripping.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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Sounds like your thinking about doing it alone, if so dont' your first time....


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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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Is it possible to see giant chicks while I?m tripping? What if I want to?

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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lol... even if you don't see giant chicks, they'll still be there if you want them to. it's fun. the first time i tripped i kept losing stuff and then i found a fourtune cookie wrapper in my car with a panda on it. everytime i lost something after that, i blamed it on the panda eating it so we feed him a piece of gum so he'd stop. i knew the panda wasn't real, but it was just as fun as if he had been...

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: Anonymous]
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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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Addressing your questions:

1 - I don't see why not. How did this question even arise?

2 - People might be able to tell that you are on "something." Like Newt (and others may have) said, your pupils will probably dialate. You might also be acting or talking a little funny.

3. You can't predict the future, AFAIK. You can be reasonable certain that if your dose isn't enormour, you're going into the experience knowing (somewhat) to expect, and in a good mood before the experience, you'll probably have a good trip.

4. Don't even think of taking acid around your parents. Nix that idea, now. Maybe, if you feel comfortable, in your room alone at night. Or go out all night with some friends. Or maybe a day you have off hang out with some friends in a park.

5. That's up to you. Some people like to be outdoors with nature. Others like to be inside. Me personally with acid, I like my room, it feels like home base; a sort of Freudian concrete representation of my own psyche.

6. If you like video game music yes. That's up to you.

I'll assume I'm a "pro"

1. Up to you. Neither is inherently better. I like LSD because it lasts longer.

2. LSD.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: Kid]
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Ive never tripped before either, but im thinking of doing it soon. Im a bit concerned about someone saying mushies were 100x stronger than weed, i get fucked off weed real easy so i was wondering if mushies are a totally different ball game.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: Vandenberg]
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you can't say it's a 100x more powerful, it's just a totally different thing. they really can't be compared


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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: Vandenberg]
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Mushrooms aren't 100X stronger than weed... it's just too different to compare...
The impact mushrooms will have on your life on the other hand is (for me, and all of my friends AND i bet most people) almost "infinitly" deeper than the casual weed experience...


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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: HB]
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Exactly. Weed and shrooms/acid are quite different. I think what the person was saying by 100X more powerful/intense is that acid and shrooms can make the moment seem extremely important. Everything breaks down to this one instant you're experiencing. It's the new crux in your life. It's intense.

But that can be either good or bad. It's good say, if you're laughing your ass off.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: Kid]
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Yeah it seems to be all about the moment while tripping you're extremely THERE!!! wherever you are! time's gone it's just YOU (and your friends) THERE..... in the trip world :smile: !!!
there isn't anything other then the trip world (the room) cause you're not anywhere else (if this makes some sense)

And yes it IS intens!!! it's just higher than high.... high doesn't matter anymore cause you're THERE you're just THERE!! :smile:


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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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A) If you're worried about Mom and Dad, you're too young to experiment with LSD (if you're under the age of 18, as a baseline, your personality development can be interferred with in a serious way). B) It sounds like you've read nothing on the use of psychedelic agents. A 'trip' is determined by 'set' and 'setting' - where you are physically located and what you have previously prepared your mind for. Unplanned sets and no preparation is not about 'spontaneity,' it just shows ignorance at best and recklessness at most. C) A 'sitter' or 'guide' is absolutely necessary for early experimentors. This means someone with experience and education. ( I wouldn't give a stick of Dupont dynamite and mercury fuminate squibbs to a kid who knew nothing about the dangers of the shock-sensitvity of fulminate, or of nitro-sweating dynamite). Better read up on these things if you think this is 'getting on you.' This is actually some friendly advice from someone with almost 30 years of psychedelic experience, and 20 years as a psychotherapist who grew up with some 'acid casualties.' LSD isn't a toy, and it's not in the same league with a recreational drug like marijuana. Careful who you listen to.


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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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> 20 years as a psychotherapist

You don't even need a high school diploma to call yourself a psychotherapist...

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic:
I?m under 18(15 to be exact). What you?ve said has changed my decision for awhile(hopefully).
I think I?m going to take this manner more seriously. But I have this classmate whose on shrooms and acid and he seems...well to be honest he is not well...heh.
But I really want to experience that giant chick thing. Sadly, I think its better to wait till I?m older.

Damn.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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jinc, dont let that scare you off if you think you're ready. i started doing acid at 15 and shrooms at 16 (shrooms because thats when i started being able to get them). if you think you're ready to trip, then by all means do it. its not gonna fuck up your development.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
    #469553 -

Giant chicks just mean giant pussies ;-) and so they're less tight.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: Kid]
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Maybe YOU don't need a HS diploma, but in Florida a psychotherapist can be a clinician in the fields of psychiatry, psychology, social work, marriage and family therapy or mental health counseling, the latter of which is my discipline. This requires a minimum of a Masters degree and a two year internship. I have a Ph.D. from the University of Maryland, (as well as degrees in philosophy and theology from 2 other universities) a license from the state of Florida, and national certification in 4 areas, in addition to 19 years post-doc experience. Just FYI.


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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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I hear your dissapointment, but you demonstrate both faith and wisdom by your decision. You've got a whole lifetime ahead of you - don't compromise it by interferring with a critical growth period during adolescence. You have to struggle from what Jean Piaget and developmental psychologists call the passage from Concrete Operational Thought to Formal Operational Thought. Schools measure this attainment of logical thinking in most states by the mastery of algebra (with which I had a terrible time). All shamanistic cultures prepare their novitiates. Study and prepare. You'll thank yourself. Peace.


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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: DXMHEAD420]
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You've already evidenced poor judgement with your uncaring and rebellious response. You oughta respect your experienced elders.


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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #470024 -

> Maybe YOU don't need a HS diploma,

I think they made a comedy film about this in the last year or so. Basically, in some jurisdictions, since psychotherapists don't necessarily make statutory diagnoses, they don't need any professional qualifications. Though, sure a psychotherapist could be an M.D.

Though I do rescind my implication that you were uneducated, and apologize, as well.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #470384 -

no i haven't. you cannot make a blanket statement like it will fuck up everyones development if taken as an adolescent. i was and am more mature than most others my age. i dont know if this has anything to do with my development not being stunted, but its not.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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hmmmmm...
well, cannabis has been called a "minor" psychedelic... but the ASCs induced by the "majors" are at least an order of magnitude heavier...
there is a lot to be said for waiting until you are "grown up" --- whether that is 17 or 19 or 21, well...
and as to first encounters with profound ASCs... well, some folks have gotten in pretty deep using techs like meditation, hypnosis, prayer, ecstatic dancing, magick, etc...
do spend some time checking out the literature of the last 50+ years on tripping mindscapes (some on line sources might include csp, psychedelic library, the fane, erowid, lycaeum, etc... and don't forget your local public library --- if they don't have it, they can order it for you via interlibrary loan service... and there are several online booksellers who specialize in psychedelic titles...)
anyways, ya don't have to try to fit a lifetime of tripping in before you turn 21, ok? nothing wrong with waiting until you are a nominal "adult" (fwiw...) --- i was in college before i smoked, drank, or tripped (and at that, sometimes i wish that i had waited a bit longer, hehheh...)
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& probably the most important single thing you can do is to "pay attention"


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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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i think dxmhead said it best: if you think you're ready to trip, then by all means do it.

but know that you really want to do this. make sure to read around a bit (if you already haven't) and get a feel for what you're gettin into. i first tried shrooms right after my 17th birthday and was great. i can honestly say that it has done good things for me. lsd on the other hand i have no experience with, partly because some friends who had tried it had a bad experience... and it basically scared me away. i'm 19 now, and i would try lsd should the opportunity present itself, perhaps this june/july/august (yea that's summer time baby!.. on a side note: i think i'm going to become a teacher because they get lots of vacation and it seems like a job i could be happy doing). so if you feel like you want to do it, go ahead - just make sure you're in a comfortable place and i definitely think it imperitive you are not around your parents (unless they are completely cool with you tripping in the house).


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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: DXMHEAD420]
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You, the subject, are not in a position to evaluate whether your development along certain lines (cognitive, affective, social, moral or spiritual) has deviated from the statistical norms. Moreover, if you are still in extended adolescence, which in the US can be mid-20's, then 'the jury is still out.' So you can protest away, but if you're a typical white, late-adolescent male in the US, then you fit into a typical population. Irregardless of how "mature" you 'think' or 'feel' yourself to be compared to your chosen peers, your chronological age at this stage of development determines far more than are willing to accept. Introducing psychedelic 'change agents' before one's essential ego structure has become fairly stable (i.e., mature), has an underminining effect. Transcendence requires a strong resilient ego structure to 'go beyond,' not the absence of one to begin with. The latter condition characterizes a whole continuum of personality disorders which effect the very 'fabric' of one's personality. These mis-formed personalities are permanent 'traits,' not temporary 'states' that can be treated. At best, a therapist can teach coping skills and ways of imitating appropriate behaviors so one 'appears' to be 'normal,' but one is still 'f**ked up' for life. If one work out with heavy weights at too young an age, one can 'f**k up' the growth plates in the long bones, and stunt one's physical height. Wait a few years and there is no problem growing tall as well as getting ripped. Well Bud, your personality also has a critical growth period that can just as easily be interferred with, with permanent results. It's your choice.


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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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jinc listen to markosgnostic..he knows what he is talkin about..i took a whole bunch of lsd when i was 15 and to this day have permanent side effects from it such as visual disturbances tracers and sleep trouble..you are definately at a critical stage of developement and its best not to risk anything..not everyone ends up getting fucked up from acid but a lot of people do..


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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: My Third Eye]
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> jinc listen to markosgnostic

You should try following your own advice. If you were listening to him you would see that he ridiculed the idea of the human subject. Meaning that when you say,

> i took a whole bunch of lsd when i was 15 and to this day have permanent side effects from it such as visual disturbances tracers and sleep trouble

That's a result of your interpretation of what happened. Now, I'm not denying that you have visual disturbances and trouble sleeping, but it's YOU that's attributing the cause of it to LSD. Treatment for you would address the 'fact' that LSD caused this, but that doesn't mean that it's going to happen to anyone else.

> you are definately at a critical stage of developement and its best not to risk anything

Development? From what into what?

> not everyone ends up getting fucked up from acid but a lot of people do..

Doesn't matter how many, it matters how many do compared with how many don't.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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For the person who said that mushrooms are 100x stronger than weed, i feel more comfortable talking to my parents on shrooms than i do on weed.


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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: Anonymous]
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it really doesnt matter that u havnt smoke weed just keep in mind that music can play a very importent role while trippin
i suggest Pink Floyd or the beatles somthing nice and mellow

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: MmmMushrooms]
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I'm the same way...

I didn't really mean that mushrooms are 100x stronger than weed, the two aren't even comparable. I suppose I meant what you experience and what you gain from it. Don't take the statement so literally, I really don't think it's that hard to understand what I meant, I just explained it wrong.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: Kid]
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Maybe you should re-read. I'm not in the habit of ridiculing anyone. That would not be exactly consistant with the personality of one in a helping profession, or ethical, or moral, or very nice at all - would it?
As to development...in addition to obvious physical development, which occurs in well-defined stages from conception onward, humans also develop along a number of non-physical vectors. Cognitive, affective, moral, social and spiritual are five domains in addition to the physical that have been used by developmentalists to describe the complexity of human development. Things can and do go wrong at times in all of these (interactive) domains.


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Edited by MarkostheGnostic (12/03/01 08:36 PM)

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Okay, it was not ridicule.

> You, the subject, are not in a position to evaluate whether your development along certain lines...

No, this isn't ridicule, you're right. I basically took this as though you were offering the postmodern view that human subjectivity was incomplete at best (the Self is unknowable).

> in addition to obvious physical development

What are we developing into, and from what?

> which occurs in well-defined stages from conception onward

Yes, well defined, but that doesn't make them real. Saying they're well defined, medicalizes 'abnormal developers'. I thought that was something you wanted to get away from...

> Things can and do go wrong at times in all of these (interactive) domains.

Wrong?

I'm confused by your point of view now. You were against the use of the term "hallucinogen", for it's association with pathology, but you normalize, and thus pathologize human development itself?

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Markos: just a query.. i first tried LSD when i was (certainly quite young) 15, i used it once and havn't used it since (not because of a bad experience, quite the contrary it was very interesting and enlightening, but because I have been in school until recently and have had other things on my mind). I would like to hear what you think of the medical/developmental implications of a single-time LSD experience on me at that age. It wasn't a high dose, just enough to get a feel. I don't regret it, nor recognize any lasting negative change, but am just curious as to how you think I might have been affected by it developmental-wise?

looking forward to your response.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: wintertime]
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I doubt anyone will be able to tell you how your biological development has been altered. IMO, it hasn't in any significant way.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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I have always said the first time should be with your best friend. As far as games go, I think Jenga is a good time. Don't let non-trippin' people come over. We used to go into the woods to escape parents. A bonfire, some Neil Young, and a poncho is comfort. No stress= Happy Trails

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: Kid]
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>> in addition to obvious physical development

>What are we developing into, and from what?

The obvious development of a child to adult

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: SherlockDrubu]
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obviously.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: SherlockDrubu]
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i believe kid was asking what exactly is the change that takes place from childhood to being a mature adult

i also agree with dxmhead about if you think your ready then you probably are.

i would probably go ahead and smoke some bud before hand just to see how well you can handle that before taking a big leap to lsd ...and if you get paranoid dont take that as how it is when trippin but recognize how you reacted to your paranoia and realize that paranoia is just a fear of unknown dangers and thats what tripping is, an experience of the unkwown...sometimes good sometimes bad...but even when it is bad you need to be able to handle yourself

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: fuzzysquirelnuts]
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1.Yes but, it'll be one hell of a new experience feeling such a strong psychodelic trip without having a small one first.

2. People will probably be able to tell you're on something if it's strong enough and/or you've taken enough but, unless it's someone who knows a lot about acid, they won't know you've taken lsd per say.

3. Make sure you're absolutly ready before you drop. If there is any 2nd thought in your mind, it'll probably lead to a bad trip.

4. Find a place with not too many people and if there are any people, make sure they are you're good friends and not someone who'll fuck with you.

5. Anyplace so long as it doesn't creep you out to begin with.

6. Music is a personal preforence thing, I've found. But, if you won't something that'll really make the trip interesting, look into some Otto Von Schirach. :wink:

1.If you want a big mind fuck, acid. If you don't, shrooms. I've noticed that a lot of the acid on the street is weaker than the shrooms you'll find because a lot of the best chemists have been getting their asses locked up over the years but, they're kinda two different experiences.

2. Personally, I love them both but, if I dropped acid as much as I smoke weed, I would have probably done something to get myself killed while I was tripping. Weed, in my opinion, has a lot less potential to lead to freaking out and doing something dumb. Weed is safer. Don't drop acid unless you're sure you have someone who can watch you for your first time, otherwise you won't know for sure if you can be safe and you'll probably do something dumb.

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Re: Acid...first time. [Re: jinc]
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1. That's just fine.
2. They can tell you're high from the dialated pupils, and you're probably acting a little off. But it's no problem, people don't give you problems, just funny looks.
3. If you go into a trip worried about it, you will likely bad trip. If you go into it thinking you can't wait for it to kick in, you'll good trip.
4. Staying away from parents is a good idea. Go to a friends if his parents aren't home... or even better, the woods.
5. The woods, a place with a view of a lake or nice scenery in general.
6. Play some of your favourite music, you will love it.

1. Depends. Shrooms give me a deep, philosophical kind of trip. LSD are more just for fun, but that's just me. I like them both. LSD is a bit easier to handle for me though.
2. Well, I smoke weed almost everyday, and I sure as hell can't do the same with LSD. Weed just gives me a buzz... LSD gives me a trip, and I like tripping better.


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