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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Luke]
    #4678023 - 09/19/05 12:16 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Ive never been so mindful, its like im high or tripping.
Because on drugs is when I experience my most mindfulness. But im not on drugs rigfht now and I am very mindful. Its suprising.


Syntax, punctuation, spelling and assorted grammatical errors are the antithesis to mindfulness. These are symptomatic of a wandering, not a focused, mind.


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Swami]
    #4678093 - 09/19/05 12:45 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

or so the swami believes


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4678244 - 09/19/05 01:35 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

How is that merely my belief?

How can errors that are within the realm of previous experience be indicative of being present and mindful?


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Swami]
    #4678268 - 09/19/05 01:42 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

puctuation and grammar are communication errors, you are extrapolating to egg us on


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4678277 - 09/19/05 01:45 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Being sloppy is the result of a wandering mind. Period.


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Swami]
    #4678286 - 09/19/05 01:49 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Sloppy ideas lead to sloppy grammar?

Not necessarily. I've met some very focused, creative people with horrible gramar and spelling. Grammar and spelling are simply an issue of following human rules, not natural or individual ones.

Though bad spelling annoys me just as much as the next guy, it doesn't absolutely say anything about the idea or mind creating it.


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Ravus]
    #4678317 - 09/19/05 01:58 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Seems you and RGV are not truly familiar with Zen, wherein each single act is of equal importance and requiring the same level of focus.

If I am aware that 'fight' is spelled f-i-g-h-t and I spell it f-i-h-g-t, then I was insufficiently focused. It is a lapse of consciousness. There is no case for the opposite.

Your bringing in the possible brilliance of the mind that misspells is not even remotely relevant to mindfulness.


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Swami]
    #4678325 - 09/19/05 02:03 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I have to agree with you on this one Swami. Zen Masters, and all. :wink: :tongue:


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Icelander]
    #4678332 - 09/19/05 02:06 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

:shocked: Call Ripley's!


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Swami]
    #4678363 - 09/19/05 02:12 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Now, now my friend. I have agreed with you often. Think back! If you can't remember then you choose not to. :heart:


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Swami]
    #4678400 - 09/19/05 02:22 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Swami said:
Seems you and RGV are not truly familiar with Zen, wherein each single act is of equal importance and requiring the same level of focus.




where did I say
"each single act is of equal importance."?

I did say that mara is "the devil in the devil" (which I guess is too deep a metaphor), entangled, as it were in the miracle of associative thought (which is the devil itself - thank god, HA!).

then I indicated that mara (delusion) makes all things equal regardless of source - where the distinction is - what is happenning outside of memory and imagination as opposed to what is happenning in the memory and imagination area.

the whole thing about fighting is a different area, usually beginning after mara has its grip on the situation, the being begins kicking and lashing out.


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Swami]
    #4678478 - 09/19/05 02:41 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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Seems you and RGV are not truly familiar with Zen, wherein each single act is of equal importance and requiring the same level of focus.

If I am aware that 'fight' is spelled f-i-g-h-t and I spell it f-i-h-g-t, then I was insufficiently focused. It is a lapse of consciousness. There is no case for the opposite.

Your bringing in the possible brilliance of the mind that misspells is not even remotely relevant to mindfulness.




Zen is about the unmediated awareness of one's actions and the world. Therefore, as long as you have unmediated awareness of your typing and misspellings, is it not Zen? :shocked:


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Ravus]
    #4678742 - 09/19/05 03:47 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

the long and the short of it is you can spell like the dickens and still speak garbage


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Swami]
    #4679201 - 09/19/05 05:28 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Being sloppy is the result of a wandering mind. Period.




I am sorry, I made a mistake. We all make mistakes.


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Luke]
    #4679437 - 09/19/05 06:07 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Ive been a Zen master for almost a year now.

And I can run a 3:30 minute mile...


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Luke]
    #4679669 - 09/19/05 07:05 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Luke said:
Quote:

Swami said:
Being sloppy is the result of a wandering mind. Period.




I am sorry, I made a mistake. We all make mistakes.




What the fuck are you being sorry about? :tongue: Why are you explaining this in this way? Who the fuck cares. :grin: :heart:


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4679691 - 09/19/05 07:11 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

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redgreenvines said:
the long and the short of it is you can spell like the dickens and still speak garbage




Or you can spell like garbage and speak like garbage. So what is a Zen Master anyways? How does he differ from the ordinary man/woman or a Zen practioner in general? Master to me means he has mastered something. Am I wrong here? :confused:


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4680363 - 09/19/05 09:14 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

the long and the short of it is you can spell like the dickens and still speak garbage

Irrelevant. You cannot be unmindful of your acts and be a master of mindfulness.


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Luke]
    #4680393 - 09/19/05 09:19 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I am sorry, I made a mistake. We all make mistakes.

My post was not about you personally.

A Zen Master is careful of each moment and each act. There are no big important details and little irrelevant details. Sitting meditation not carried over into acting meditation is near-worthless and misses the point of za-zen.


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Re: Mara devotee [Re: Swami]
    #4680422 - 09/19/05 09:23 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Seems you and RGV are not truly familiar with Zen, wherein each single act is of equal importance and requiring the same level of focus.




how does one decompose action?
am i 25% breathing and 75% typing?
23% breathing and 77% typing?
how do i do the math that figures out what action constitutes a whole act, so that i can attribute equal importance to each?


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