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OfflinePerfectlyDefectd
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Tippinthru]
    #4670210 - 09/16/05 02:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

well ur entitled to ur opinion.. i dont believe that.. people smoke becuaz they like the high.. not the risk of gettin caught.. atleast me and my friends.


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: PerfectlyDefectd]
    #4670503 - 09/16/05 03:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, but why did those people first smoke pot. I know I did because I was told it was bad, so I wanted to see what all the fuss was about.


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Jackal]
    #4670602 - 09/16/05 04:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It's not inherently a gateway drug, but for some people it can turn them on to drugs in general. But the same could be said for tobacco, alcohol, ritalin, or sugar. I also know people who tried other illegal drugs before trying marijuana. In any case, saying that marijuana leads to harder drugs is like saying that masturbation leads to rape.


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OfflinePerfectlyDefectd
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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4671594 - 09/16/05 09:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

masturbation does lead to rape...lol.. uhhh wait.. uhh


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4673219 - 09/17/05 07:22 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

If marijuana is a gateway drug, it's only because of the taboo it has an illegal drug. If booze was held in the same regard as marijuana and every other illicit drug, it too would probably have some gateway effect with some people. It does not though because getting drunk isn't considered the same as getting "high" by the current rectitudes of society. Most people I know who smoke pot only smoke pot, and maybe use psychedelics once in awhile. The people I know who use harder recreational drugs however all had their introduction to getting high with marijuana.


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Jackal]
    #4686114 - 09/20/05 01:10 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

.....and 10 out of 10 heroin addicts started off by drinking milk.

Pot is not a gateway drug at all....it is all on the person if they decided to try other drugs.

The first thing I ever did was started drinking, then tried shrooms....then from shrooms I tried pot, then started smoking cigs....so I guess shrooms are a gateway drug too.


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Jackal]
    #4686342 - 09/20/05 02:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Smack and Crack are Gateway Drugs.
Before you know it your smoking Pot and Cigarettes,
Drinking Alcohol, Sodas and Milk.
Having sex, etc etc... it's just horid.


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Shdwstr]
    #4686850 - 09/20/05 04:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I have friends who have done both pot and shrooms...dunno which first, but they won't touch pot or any other drugs but are rather fond of shrooms, So I wouldnt consider it a gateway, some people just don't like it.


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: abhi]
    #4687907 - 09/20/05 09:00 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

>>It is a gateway drug because mo
st people don't really think about trying shrooms or lsd or anything else until after they smoke weed


Correlation is not and does not imply causation. The marijuana does not make anyone do other drugs. The person does them. THe person that goe son to use other drugs because they are more likely to have used them anyway. Just because most of all heroin addicts polled say they've used marijuana first doesn't lend evidence to the gateway theory. You have to consider a control group. And that is, marijuana users who have not used other drugs, preferebly long time sole marijuana smokers. That's one natural quasi-experiment that can be done and is done. And the most intuitive counter argument is caffeine and nicotine and some others are all drugs, and a great deal of marijuana smokers have tried them and may even be regular users as well as heroin addicts have used those, why are they not listed as such.

You posit this natural counter argument by stating "but it's not inevitable" and that is the basis of the counter argument outlined in the above paragraph. Now an experiment to try, and one that could never be done because of restrictions on research, would be to take a person who is a virgin to marijuana and have them smoke it for a while, probably a whole group of people, and see if any move on and how many and if it's a statistically significant amount.


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: neuro]
    #4697744 - 09/22/05 10:03 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

ok.. i dont think pot is a gateway drug however i was just thinkin.. people do love doing things because its illegal.. like think back in the days of capone.. more people than ever were drinkin and going to "private clubs" to get drunk only because it was illegal and they liked the rush.. idk i just find that interesting.. something someone said made me think of that and had a lightbulb moment.. if pot was legal.. less people would prolly do it.. because seriously.. what potheads dont smoke because its illegal.. if u wanna smoke some bud.. ur going to do it.. unless ur on probation like me


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: PerfectlyDefectd]
    #4699373 - 09/23/05 05:57 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Did you know in a survey of 1000 people convicted for cruelty to animals such as (torturing dogs, ivory poaching) that 995 had previously killed a spider or fly?

Killing the spider gave them a bloodlust which was a gateway for them to move onto bigger animals.

Another survey of 1000 rapists showed that 995 had seen a pornographic movie or magazine at one point....


I seriously thought this thread was just going to be a joke.


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: blackout]
    #4773578 - 10/08/05 04:32 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The only mind-altering substances I've ever done have been mushrooms and acid. No alcohol, weed, tabacco, opiates or perscription drugs (abused them at least).


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Jackal]
    #4776087 - 10/09/05 08:04 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

fuckin voting doesnt work for me, bahhh! its ok, dont fret though :smirk:


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Locus]
    #4778036 - 10/09/05 05:27 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Alcohol is the gateway drug...


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4796472 - 10/13/05 12:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

voting doenst work for my either....but Im sure 95% of kids in highschool whom have done or doing drugs would say they tried alcohol/cigarretes way before they ever touched pot.


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: OrizonsHorizon]
    #4803871 - 10/14/05 03:16 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

nope lol, i never touched cigs, but went to pot and alcohol... cigs are useless


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: tiNtiN]
    #4833793 - 10/21/05 12:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think Pot is a gateway drug, I think when people try their first drug of any kind, they determine how far they'll go, me for example, I knew I didn't mind trying shrooms and X but as for other drugs, I never wanted to go there.

I think people consider pot the gateway drug because it's the first step on a long journey, just like college [bad metaphor I know] but you have to get through your freshman year before you make it to the next level, some stop there, like me, I never went all the way with college and I feel I saved myself a lot of wasted time with my profession.

I just feel people like to point the finger at things to blame, pot doesn't make you want to try other drugs, it just shows you what a drug can do to you and for some people, they just "need" to know how far it goes. Wanna trip without the chemicals? Try salvia 10x or higher extract, one bowl will let you see for a few minutes then go away. It's a GREAT thing to learn how to really trip. Salvia made me talk to a shower curtain with little fish on it...


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Toqom]
    #4837149 - 10/22/05 04:42 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

nope. people try pot becuase its like safe and its not addicting, has mild affects for the most part, and its easy to get your hands on.. i know when i was 16 it was easy to get an 1/8th then a pack of cigs.. but no i dont think pot is a gateway drug its just a starting point and u decide if u like the have further exploration into a world of your own design!


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Jackal]
    #4853529 - 10/26/05 02:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Alcohol is a gateway drug! Most everything I experimented with for the first time when I was drunk.


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Re: Is Marijuana A Gateway Drug? [Re: Mcdoopy]
    #4869247 - 10/30/05 01:36 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

I dont really see marijuana as a gateway drug, because weed isn't the reason I went on to try other shit.. Moreso, weed sparked a new me, and I slowly crafted a new perspective on drugs.

So heres my story in summary- One night at the end of a football game I was goin with my friends and I knew they were gonna smoke. I cannot describe or reason anything as to why I decided to smoke with them, because before that night, like even 30 minutes before I smoked, I was still a hardcore anti-drugs person. A week later I tried drinking. I was still strongly against all other drugs, that was supposed to be as far as I would take it, weed and alcohol. But slowly I found that I would try harder ones, until I hit the stage where I believed (and I still somewhat do) that I would try ANY drug that I had never tried before. Yes this includes stuff like heroin.

So marijuana obviously has a role in this, but I mean I have a bunch of friends who only smoke weed and they have been doing it for a helluva long time. Without doing other stuff. Essentially, it is the mind that is the gateway to other drugs.


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