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InvisibleAlex213
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Global warming "past point of no return"
    #4669518 - 09/16/05 01:54 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

A record loss of sea ice in the Arctic this summer has convinced scientists that the northern hemisphere may have crossed a critical threshold beyond which the climate may never recover. Scientists fear that the Arctic has now entered an irreversible phase of warming which will accelerate the loss of the polar sea ice that has helped to keep the climate stable for thousands of years.

They believe global warming is melting Arctic ice so rapidly that the region is beginning to absorb more heat from the sun, causing the ice to melt still further and so reinforcing a vicious cycle of melting and heating.

The greatest fear is that the Arctic has reached a "tipping point" beyond which nothing can reverse the continual loss of sea ice and with it the massive land glaciers of Greenland, which will raise sea levels dramatically.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article312997.ece


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Alex213]
    #4669539 - 09/16/05 01:59 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

yep but luckly the earth has an uncanny way of cooling itself down when needed..
HERE COMES ANOTHER ICEAGE!! woot! Death, distruction, frozen people.
but before that I predict more massive storms and more displaced people
Hotter water.. Fuels meaner storms...

.. and even before thats over the oils going to run out so that means more war.
So.. at the very least we'll get the population under control.

I think Notrdamas (sp) predicted that the 20-teens was going to be pretty bad.. apocalyps (sp) bad. YAY!


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: blu3]
    #4669676 - 09/16/05 02:32 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

The sky is falling!

THE SKY IS FALLING!

THE SKY IS FALLING!


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Alex213]
    #4669684 - 09/16/05 02:35 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

What a relief. If we're past the point of no return we won't have to hear more hare-brained schemes like Kyoto being discussed.




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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Phred]
    #4669706 - 09/16/05 02:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Theres nothing we could do to the earth where it couldnt regenerate itself, given enough time. As much as we like to believe, we really dont make a difference when it comes to the planets and the universe.


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Phred]
    #4669709 - 09/16/05 02:42 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

What a relief. If we're past the point of no return we won't have to hear more hare-brained schemes like Kyoto being discussed.


That's a little negative of you Phred. If you knew you were going to shit yourself would you stand in the middle of the office and cry out for everyone to come and watch you?

Or would you try and make the best of a bad situation and go to the toilet?

Implementing Kyoto would be making the best of a bad situation.


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Alex213]
    #4669768 - 09/16/05 02:55 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

How do you see it as being negative?

If we're past the point of no return that by definition means we're fucked no matter what we do. It's too late. We missed our chance. The ship has sailed. Elvis has left the building.

Nothing left to do but enjoy our remaining time as best we can.




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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Phred]
    #4669917 - 09/16/05 03:24 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Isn't there still a shit load of people who don't even believe in global warming? And most of them voted for bush?  :cuckoo:


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Phred]
    #4669983 - 09/16/05 03:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

If we're past the point of no return that by definition means we're fucked no matter what we do. We missed our chance. The ship has sailed. Elvis has left the building.


You're confusing being past the point of no return with being as bad it can possibly get.

If you shit the bed you're past the point of no return. However that doesn't mean you have to lay in it.


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Sycronica]
    #4670026 - 09/16/05 03:47 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Isn't there still a shit load of people who don't even believe in global warming? And most of them voted for bush?

Indeed. I vaguely remember Phred linking us to a list with "thousands" of alleged "scientists" who believed so. Unfortunately when you looked a little closer at the names of the signatories you found names like Ginger Spice from the Spice Girls.


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Alex213]
    #4670036 - 09/16/05 03:50 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Alex213 said:
Unfortunately when you looked a little closer at the names of the signatories you found names like Ginger Spice from the Spice Girls.




:rofl2:


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Alex213]
    #4670073 - 09/16/05 03:56 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

The scientific community is largely in agreement that:

1) The planet is warming due to an increasingly strong greenhouse effect
2) Humans (emissions) contribute to this warming

The extent of #2 is where the debate begins. There's clear evidence that humans contribute to the greenhouse effect. Whether or not our contributions can severely harm the balance of the planet is what they're investigating.

According to this article, the prevailing viewpoint is that humans contribute to the majority of global warming:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Alex213]
    #4670111 - 09/16/05 04:02 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

So it would be useless now to implement any measures controlling "global warming" then?


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Phred]
    #4670123 - 09/16/05 04:04 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

So you'll accept a climate scientist's viewpoint if it agrees with your agenda?


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Alex213]
    #4670131 - 09/16/05 04:06 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Alex213 said:
That's a little negative of you Phred. If you knew you were going to shit yourself would you stand in the middle of the office and cry out for everyone to come and watch you?

Or would you try and make the best of a bad situation and go to the toilet?




If their was a toilet to go to, then he wouldn't "know" he was going to shit himself. I just took a nice healthy wake-up crap myself, and I didn't "know" I was going to shit myself and happen along to a toilet.


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From the Declaration of the Continental Congress

"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
Charles A. Lindbergh,"Aviation, Geography, and Race", Reader's Digest, Nov. 1939

"We must secure the existance of our people and a future for White children."
David Lane


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4670137 - 09/16/05 04:07 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

So it would be useless now to implement any measures controlling "global warming" then?

Come on magic, me and phred have already thrashed this one out.

If you shit the bed you're past the point of no return. Does that mean you just lay there wallowing in it?


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Alex213]
    #4670146 - 09/16/05 04:09 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

If you shit the bed you're past the point of no return. However that doesn't mean you have to lay in it.




It appears the scientists quoted in that article disagree with you. When I see phrases from convinced scientists like --

"crossed a critical threshold beyond which the climate may never recover,"

and "irreversible phase of warming"

and "beyond which nothing can reverse the continual loss of sea ice."

well by golly I take those convinced scientists at their word! It appears we have made our bed (or in your delightful alternate description, shit our bed) and must indeed lie in it. Unless my understanding of such commonly used phrases as "critical threshold" and "never recover" and "irreversible" and "nothing can reverse" has been all wrong for lo these many decades.

Hey, they've convinced me, too. We're doomed. I guess I should have given in after all to the urge to buy an enormous gas-guzzler and get in on the fun. Or to have installed an air conditioner in my room seventeen years ago rather than suffer 32 degree heat five months of the year. Or bought a television and a stereo with which to entertain myself and a backup gas-guzzling generator to run it for the twelve-plus hours a day when the electricity in my apartment goes out.

The good thing is that now I can do all that fun stuff, because it's too late to stop global warming. The tipping point has been reached. The process is irreversible. Might as well live it up before the rising ocean level swallows the building in which I reside.

I can't even begin to describe to you the sense of relief I feel to know that finally the question has been resolved -- human-induced climate change is not only real, it's also too late to do anything about it. The uncertainty was killing me. Thank goodness convinced scientists were able to provide me that all-imprtant "closure".



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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Phred]
    #4670169 - 09/16/05 04:13 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

It appears the scientists quoted in that article disagree with you

Get with the program Phred. I've already explained to you that passing the point of no return is not "as bad as the situation can ever possibly get".

Think about it.


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: Alex213]
    #4670180 - 09/16/05 04:17 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I can't believe some people still think global warming is a fabrication. Look at the fucking evidence.


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Re: Global warming "past point of no return" [Re: mantis]
    #4670201 - 09/16/05 04:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I think the "theory" is global warming is happening but it's nothing to do with humans..it's just a natural "cycle".


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