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schizophrenia and hallucinogens
    #4667256 - 09/15/05 10:52 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

People with the genetic disposition to have schizophrenia (more so if on both sides of the family)experience the hallucinogens 4-10 fold and without getting the same physical problems or physical distractions cause they dont have to take as much. This is why a level 5 trip means nothing as it pertains to doseage, I feel.
Any thoughts on this, or maybee you are one of those people who, to you takeing 8 grams is just silly and makes you retarded and short of other more physical signs of life, simply put.
Also, ego-loss and spirituality is a major part of tripping along with many other things, Im just wondering if there are people here who feel the same about doseage


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: Jabbawaya]
    #4667379 - 09/15/05 11:08 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

so although one guy can take 6 grams and have a level five trip, It takes 8 for someone else? Im just trying to make sense of that.
Because a schyzotypal can take 2 grams and see fatter visuals than those on eight grams.
By the way Im talking about those who are capable of becoming schiz. Im talking genetics and the level 5 trip. I was talking about it as it pertains to doseage


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #4667394 - 09/15/05 11:12 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

i thought the level of the trip was subjective and didn't matter on the doseage, it just depends on how intense the experience is

but i can make myself have a different level trip if i focus hard enough


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #4667410 - 09/15/05 11:15 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Everyone is different, schizophrenic or not. How many schizophrenics have you spoken with who take mushrooms? It greatly varies person to person. A mushroom trip for a schizophrenic is probably very different than a mushroom trip for a "normal" person; after all, their brains are structured differently, different areas are stimulated than "normal" brains in everyday life, etc.

A lot of these people are "permanently tripping," so of course taking a drug will just exacerbate their symptoms.


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #4667414 - 09/15/05 11:15 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Mentally healthy, ive found means less intelligent, or those who claim they can pass through life and learn as much as they can while being happy and socially normal. And there are far fewer people that are like that than you would imagine. Just look at the stats on people over 40. Mentally healthy, you shure have not read much about schizos, cause they are so intelligent most of the time that they are narcisistic and have delusions of grandure. Terrence mckenna and his brother fit into this catagory, they are of the more functional variety


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #4667428 - 09/15/05 11:18 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Read my post again gus......, I wasnt saying doseage doesnt matter, just that it matters less as it pertains to a level 5.


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #4667437 - 09/15/05 11:19 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

By "mentally healthy," I was referring to the average joe who does not suffer from schizophrenia or a severe mental disorder. I thought this was fairly clear in context.


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #4667449 - 09/15/05 11:20 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Intelligent and overstimulated does not mean you are less healthy jabba, just different. One too many psych classes under your belt or you just buy into that garbage. Its not like I was talking about dibilitated schizos, who should never take hallucinogens.


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #4667454 - 09/15/05 11:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I was talking about a predisposition toward the "sickness"


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #4667467 - 09/15/05 11:24 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

schizotypal, this was a converasation I hoped would turn to genetics. Noone is normal if they have eaten acid and shrooms repeatedly, thats another way to interpret what ive said


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #4667468 - 09/15/05 11:24 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I put "mentally healthy" in quotation marks for a reason. The idea of "mental health" is very abstract.

I do not believe that schizophrenics are by any means inferior or less intelligent. I don't believe schizophrenia is a "disease" per se. It's just another way that a minority of people view the world, largely due to their neurochemistry and hardwiring, although it is true that it generally does make people a lot less functional in society.


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: Jabbawaya]
    #4667555 - 09/15/05 11:44 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I was talking about those who like the topic of genetics, and would go further with it than that.
Again, I was also talking about those people who have no problems with functioning, but have the disposition(Schizotypals) as it pertains to doseage.
Basically I was saying that dose recommedations with level five trips are way to varient for a doseage recommendation. The schizo premis got in the way.
A level 5 can occure useing 2 grams for some people who are fully functional. Thats all


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #4667570 - 09/15/05 11:50 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

You seem like a good/smart "guy", I hope to talk to you later.
Logic turns me on, just dont think I was simply trying to contradict you, it was just a somewhat redundant talk about the premis of my post.
I probably should have premised my desired future chain of group cognition/text better than I did. It was about genetics and how functional people can be VERY sensitive to these drugs


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #4667668 - 09/16/05 12:08 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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so although one guy can take 6 grams and have a level five trip, It takes 8 for someone else? Im just trying to make sense of that.




Only takes 3 or so for me.


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: UlcerPentacidis]
    #4667688 - 09/16/05 12:13 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Ulcerp., Thanks for the confirmation of the kind of thing I was talking about. It was a way to get to know the forum, and im glad someone else on the site feels this way, you are special.


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #4667694 - 09/16/05 12:13 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

It takes 2-3 for me also


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #4667835 - 09/16/05 12:48 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Who gauges "Mentally Healthy" I'm sure I am ... but who can say thats normal and thats not?


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: phatclown]
    #4667836 - 09/16/05 12:49 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

lol damn ... i didnt read everything before i said that...


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Re: schizophrenia and hallucinogens [Re: stemmer]
    #4668110 - 09/16/05 01:53 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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schizotypal, this was a converasation I hoped would turn to genetics. Noone is normal if they have eaten acid and shrooms repeatedly, thats another way to interpret what ive said




The fact that you have an idea of "normal" derails your entire argument.


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